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    Extremist letters sent to governors, FBI alerted - More politics- msnbc.com

    WASHINGTON - The FBI is warning police across the country that an anti-government group's call to remove governors from office could provoke violence by others.A group that calls itself the Guardians of the free Republics wants to "restore America" by peacefully dismantling parts of the government, according to its Web site.
    As of Wednesday, more than 30 governors had received letters saying if they don't leave office within three days they will be removed, according to an internal intelligence note by the FBI and the Department of Homeland Security. The note was obtained by The Associated Press.


    Investigators do not see threats of violence in the group's message, but fear the broad call for removing top state officials could lead others to act out violently.Governors whose offices reported receiving the letters included Democrats Jennifer Granholm of Michigan and Chet Culver of Iowa, and Republicans Bobby Jindal of Louisiana and Jim Gibbons of Nevada.
    Screening machines for visitors and packages were added to the main entrance to the Nevada Capitol as a precaution after Gibbons received one of the letters.
    The group purportedly doesn't believe in paying federal taxes or submitting to the authority of existing courts. Such themes are common among "sovereign citizen" groups who don't recognize the legitimacy of the federal government. Some also refuse to submit to state and local authority.

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    Are the Hanafi Black Muslims at it again? I remember living in DC at the time and it was quite scary. Marion Barry was shot by this left wing exteremist group. EDIT I should've mentioned that a Police Officer and a reporter were killed in this hostage standoff. I only mentioned Barry because he was on the City Council and was the Future Mayor.

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    In all seriousness, the FBI gets threats like this by the thousands every day from the left and the right fringe of society. It's generally the "lone" nutjobs that we have to worry about. The guys prancing around the woods are really not much of threat. The NSA gets thousands of threats everyday about possible terrorist attacks overseas just like the FBI gets thousands of threats in the US. Do they need to be vigilant in stopping these threats? Yes.

    The fact of the matter is (as I said before), that most of the time these groups are already infiltrated in some way and that it is the "lone" nutjob that we need to worry about. For example the Branch Davidians had an undercover agent inside on the day of the attack. Members of the KKK, New Black Panther Party, skinheads and the Earth Liberation Front have FBI agents or informants in those groups as well. The main threats to society as a whole come from "Non POLITICAL" gangs like MS13 and Crips and Bloods, so don't fool yourself into thinking that "right wing groups" are more dangerous because it simply cannot be backed up as factual.
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    Probably a bunch of Teabaggers... bunch of crazies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notaphonegeek View Post
    Are the Hanafi Black Muslims at it again? I remember living in DC at the time and it was quite scary. Marion Barry was shot by this left wing exteremist group. EDIT I should've mentioned that a Police Officer and a reporter were killed in this hostage standoff. I only mentioned Barry because he was on the City Council and was the Future Mayor.

    1977 Hanafi Siege - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


    In all seriousness, the FBI gets threats like this by the thousands every day from the left and the right fringe of society. It's generally the "lone" nutjobs that we have to worry about. The guys prancing around the woods are really not much of threat. The NSA gets thousands of threats everyday about possible terrorist attacks overseas just like the FBI gets thousands of threats in the US. Do they need to be vigilant in stopping these threats? Yes.

    The fact of the matter is (as I said before), that most of the time these groups are already infiltrated in some way and that it is the "lone" nutjob that we need to worry about. For example the Branch Davidians had an undercover agent inside on the day of the attack. Members of the KKK, New Black Panther Party, skinheads and the Earth Liberation Front have FBI agents or informants in those groups as well. The main threats to society as a whole come from "Non POLITICAL" gangs like MS13 and Crips and Bloods, so don't fool yourself into thinking that "right wing groups" are more dangerous because it simply cannot be backed up as factual.

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    In addition, this group.. as was stated in the article "wants to "restore America" by peacefully dismantling parts of the government".

    PEACEFULLY. This is more media hype in order to create a story that these "right wingers" have gone wild. Libertarians/Constitutionalists have been peacefully fighting for years to be "fairly" involved in the election process in order to retake the government from the 2 corrupt party monopoly.
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    If I'm reading this right, there's a group sending letters to elected officials 'threatening' to 'remove' them from office by using the ballot box and the political process. Further reading shows that there is a 'death panel' level fear among some that this may lead to violence. I thought irrational fear was exclusively a 'right' thing in this day and age.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
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    Like I said.... The "lone nutjobs", although we all (at least most) know he didn't act alone. It's too bad we killed him off before we could get an accomplice.

    Thanks for helping make my point. If you also check the other thread I posted how over 60 pct of deaths were due to "left wing extremists". Really? Please lets not make this another political thing, because there are nutjobs on both sides. He's just trying to associate the "tea Party" crowd because they're "In style".
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    Yeah this is awesome! I hope this spreads and more people decide armed violent revolt is the answer for this country. Instead of asking chicks out to coffee I'll Invite them to make Molotov cocktails with me.
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    All of you claiming that this is not a problem of the right alone, at least one Pulitzer winning journalist disagrees.

    The episode highlights the obvious: For decades now, the most serious threat of domestic terrorism has come from the growing ranks of paranoid, anti-government hate groups that draw their inspiration, vocabulary and anger from the far right.

    It is disingenuous for mainstream purveyors of incendiary far-right rhetoric to dismiss groups such as the Hutaree by saying that there are "crazies on both sides." This simply is not true.

    There was a time when the far left was a spawning ground for political violence. The first big story I covered was the San Francisco trial of heiress Patricia Hearst, who had been kidnapped and eventually co-opted by the Symbionese Liberation Army -- a far-left group whose philosophy was as apocalyptic and incoherent as that of the Hutaree. There are aging radicals in Cuba today who got to Havana by hijacking airplanes in the 1970s. Left-wing radicals caused mayhem and took innocent lives.

    But for the most part, far-left violence in this country has gone the way of the leisure suit and the AMC Gremlin. An anti-globalization movement, including a few window-smashing anarchists, was gaining traction at one point, but it quickly diminished after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks. An environmental group and an animal-rights group have been linked with incidents of arson. Beyond those particulars, it is hard to identify any kind of leftist threat.

    By contrast, there has been explosive growth among far-right, militia-type groups that identify themselves as white supremacists, "constitutionalists," tax protesters and religious soldiers determined to kill people to uphold "Christian" values. Most of the groups that posed a real danger, as the Hutaree allegedly did, have been infiltrated and dismantled by authorities before they could do any damage. But we should never forget that the worst act of domestic terrorism ever committed in this country was authored by a member of the government-hating right wing: Timothy McVeigh's bombing of the federal building in Oklahoma City.

    It is dishonest for right-wing commentators to insist on an equivalence that does not exist. The danger of political violence in this country comes overwhelmingly from one direction -- the right, not the left. The vitriolic, anti-government hate speech that is spewed on talk radio every day -- and, quite regularly, at Tea Party rallies -- is calibrated not to inform but to incite.

    Demagogues scream at people that their government is illegitimate, that their country has been "taken away," that their elected officials are "traitors" and that their freedom is at risk. They have a right to free speech, which I will always defend. But they shouldn't be surprised if some listeners take them literally.
    Guess what? I agree with him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    All of you claiming that this is not a problem of the right alone, at least one Pulitzer winning journalist disagrees.



    Guess what? I agree with him.

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    LOL, I'm not surprised!
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    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
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    By the way, maybe check out a little known left wing extremist whose name was Jim Jones. Also check out what happened in Jonestown. That guy was good, he found not only a way to kill a congressman and several others... He got many men and women to commit suicide and to kill their own children as well.

    You see, there are crazy people on all sides. You name one, I name another. Shall we keep going?
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    Quote Originally Posted by notaphonegeek View Post
    By the way, maybe check out a little known left wing extremist whose name was Jim Jones. Also check out what happened in Jonestown. That guy was good, he found not only a way to kill a congressman and several others... He got many men and women to commit suicide and to kill their own children as well.

    You see, there are crazy people on all sides. You name one, I name another. Shall we keep going?

    And when was Jonestown? 1978? Did you actually read what he wrote? He is not denying what happened in the past. And calling Jim Jones a leftist is a stretch regardless. If you want to disagree with him, at least try and find an argument that makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notaphonegeek View Post
    By the way, maybe check out a little known left wing extremist whose name was Jim Jones. Also check out what happened in Jonestown. That guy was good, he found not only a way to kill a congressman and several others... He got many men and women to commit suicide and to kill their own children as well.

    You see, there are crazy people on all sides. You name one, I name another. Shall we keep going?
    That's a bit of a stretch eh. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that was a cult/religious extremist group? Did they kill in the name of a political belief?
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    Quote Originally Posted by piaband View Post
    Its getting more serious by the day.

    The SPIN obviously doesn't stop here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    And when was Jonestown? 1978? Did you actually read what he wrote? He is not denying what happened in the past. And calling Jim Jones a leftist is a stretch regardless. If you want to disagree with him, at least try and find an argument that makes sense.
    The Jonestown cult (officially named the "People's Temple") was founded in 1955 by Indianapolis preacher James Warren Jones. Jones, who had no formal theological training, based his liberal ministry on a combination of religious and socialist philosophies.

    Calling him a leftist a stretch??? Really??? He was an admitted socialist. I was just commenting on the McVeigh comment. You see, I rarely look at things from a political ideology like some people. I just like to call out the hypocricy. If you want more recent we can point out The ELF, the ALF, The New Black Panther Party, the NOI's (AKA wannabe Muslims), The New Afrika party (who wants to take 5 southern US states), La Raza or the Atzlan Underground who want to take the southwest US to create a new Nation separate from the US and Mexico.

    Sorry I cannot ride on your high horse with you. I just simply see bad on both sides. I'm neither blinded by conservatism or liberalism. I call things the way I see them. There are bad elements on all sides of the political spectrum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by piaband View Post
    Seriously!! I can't tell what's worse. Hannity being stupid enough to say it or the audience being stupid enough to cheer it.

    Doesn't get much more blatant than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    That's a bit of a stretch eh. Wouldn't it be more accurate to say that was a cult/religious extremist group? Did they kill in the name of a political belief?
    Come on, just because he was religious, does not make him a conservative...... Amazing!

    Jim Jones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In 1951, Jones became a member of the Communist Party USA, and began attending meetings and rallies in Indianapolis. Jones became flustered with harassment he received during the McCarthy Hearings, particularly regarding meetings between Jones and his mother with Paul Robeson. He also became frustrated with what he perceived to be ostracism of open communists in the United States, especially during the trial of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.[14] This frustration, among other things, provoked a seminal moment for Jones in which he asked himself "how can I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church."

    "Jones had first started building Jonestown in 1974 as a means to create both a "socialist paradise" and a "sanctuary"

    Do you really want to keep this up?
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    Quote Originally Posted by notaphonegeek View Post
    By the way, maybe check out a little known left wing extremist whose name was Jim Jones. Also check out what happened in Jonestown. That guy was good, he found not only a way to kill a congressman and several others... He got many men and women to commit suicide and to kill their own children as well.

    You see, there are crazy people on all sides. You name one, I name another. Shall we keep going?
    I think that was davidra's (and Eugene Robinson's) point....Jones died over 30 years ago. While there certainly is a list of crazies from both sides, currently the hate is overwhelmingly coming from the far-right - there is no real equivalence on both sides at the moment.
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