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    Quote Originally Posted by notaphonegeek View Post
    The Jonestown cult (officially named the "People's Temple") was founded in 1955 by Indianapolis preacher James Warren Jones. Jones, who had no formal theological training, based his liberal ministry on a combination of religious and socialist philosophies.

    Calling him a leftist a stretch??? Really??? He was an admitted socialist. I was just commenting on the McVeigh comment. You see, I rarely look at things from a political ideology like some people. I just like to call out the hypocricy. If you want more recent we can point out The ELF, the ALF, The New Black Panther Party, the NOI's (AKA wannabe Muslims), The New Afrika party (who wants to take 5 southern US states), La Raza or the Atzlan Underground who want to take the southwest US to create a new Nation separate from the US and Mexico.

    Sorry I cannot ride on your high horse with you. I just simply see bad on both sides. I'm neither blinded by conservatism or liberalism. I call things the way I see them. There are bad elements on all sides of the political spectrum.
    And your message of bad on both sides is meaningless. It's goal is to minimize the violence and hate of the right by saying "they do it to". The point of calling out the right wing violent extremists is that the cheerleaders on the right are ratcheting up the rhetoric which is egging them on. They should be denouncing it and reeling it in, instead they're trying to keep them riled up to maintain the momentum of their base for the coming election.

    Please see above linked to Hannity/McVeigh comment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    Please see above linked to Hannity/McVeigh comment.
    That Hannity clip really is disturbing. Maybe Hannity is just another of those "isolated cases".
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    Seriously!! I can't tell what's worse. Hannity being stupid enough to say it or the audience being stupid enough to cheer it.

    Doesn't get much more blatant than that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    And your message of bad on both sides is meaningless. It's goal is to minimize the violence and hate of the right by saying "they do it to". The point of calling out the right wing violent extremists is that the cheerleaders on the right are ratcheting up the rhetoric which is egging them on. They should be denouncing it and reeling it in, instead they're trying to keep them riled up to maintain the momentum of their base for the coming election.

    Please see above linked to Hannity/McVeigh comment.
    To be fair, this has been what many on both sides have been doing for months. Years, actually.
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    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    To be fair, this has been what many on both sides have been doing for months. Years, actually.
    And to be fair, there's a point where common sense/responsibility need to take more importance than rah rah reh. And I think the past week is well that point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    That Hannity clip really is disturbing. Maybe Hannity is just another of those "isolated cases".
    I find disturbing that people actually think this was more than a dig by Hannity and the crowd at the MSM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    I think that was davidra's (and Eugene Robinson's) point....Jones died over 30 years ago. While there certainly is a list of crazies from both sides, currently the hate is overwhelmingly coming from the far-right - there is no real equivalence on both sides at the moment.
    Are you saying that hate coming from the ELF, the ALF, New Black Panther Party, La Raza etc. has just disbanded since Obama took office? Or is it that the Tea Partiers are being lumped into 1 big group that includes skinheads, militias, KKK members, and oh yeah, old people with their walkers?

    Code Pink is still active, it's just that they're being ignored by the media. Remember, the media is controlled by 5 corporations. It's their policy that they think and they decide what we see.

    Why are you all of the sudden not talking about code pink who's ****ed off at Obama for continuing the Bush war policy?
    http://www.losing-hope.org/

    I wonder what Cindy Sheehan is up too? Hmm still against the war, how come the media is ignoring her???

    She is a vocal critic of President Barack Obama's foreign policy, saying: "I don't think much has changed since the Bush administration."
    Cindy Sheehan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    All of these groups are still in place, you are just fed what you want to see.






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    Quote Originally Posted by notaphonegeek View Post
    Come on, just because he was religious, does not make him a conservative...... Amazing!

    Jim Jones - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    In 1951, Jones became a member of the Communist Party USA, and began attending meetings and rallies in Indianapolis. Jones became flustered with harassment he received during the McCarthy Hearings, particularly regarding meetings between Jones and his mother with Paul Robeson. He also became frustrated with what he perceived to be ostracism of open communists in the United States, especially during the trial of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.[14] This frustration, among other things, provoked a seminal moment for Jones in which he asked himself "how can I demonstrate my Marxism? The thought was, infiltrate the church."

    "Jones had first started building Jonestown in 1974 as a means to create both a "socialist paradise" and a "sanctuary"

    Do you really want to keep this up?

    Feel free. How many times will it take for me to ask you read the article before you do? We are not talking about 1978. I'm not denying the Weather Underground, or the SLA, or the Black Panthers either. We are talking, as stated in his comment, since 2001. Try and stay on topic, OK?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cjgem View Post
    I find disturbing that people actually think this was more than a dig by Hannity and the crowd at the MSM.
    What's "MSM"?
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    Regarding Hannity... seriously? Do you seriously think a crowd of people would cheer at being called a "McVeigh wannabe"? If the answer is "well, it is hard to believe" then maybe there's another answer. What could that answer be? Take it from a man who knows it well, it's called sarcasm! Yes, sarcasm.

    Come on, folks! There's been enough tongue-in-cheekiness going on here in this forum lately that you couldn't have forgotten what it looks like.
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    #31  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    And to be fair, there's a point where common sense/responsibility need to take more importance than rah rah reh. And I think the past week is well that point.
    Can I quote you on that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by notaphonegeek View Post
    Are you saying that hate coming from the ELF, the ALF, New Black Panther Party, La Raza etc. has just disbanded since Obama took office? Or is it that the Tea Partiers are being lumped into 1 big group that includes skinheads, militias, KKK members, and oh yeah, old people with their walkers?

    Code Pink is still active, it's just that they're being ignored by the media. Remember, the media is controlled by 5 corporations. It's their policy that they think and they decide what we see.

    Why are you all of the sudden not talking about code pink who's ****ed off at Obama for continuing the Bush war policy?
    Losing Hope

    I wonder what Cindy Sheehan is up too? Hmm still against the war, how come the media is ignoring her???

    She is a vocal critic of President Barack Obama's foreign policy, saying: "I don't think much has changed since the Bush administration."
    Cindy Sheehan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    All of these groups are still in place, you are just fed what you want to see.

    You can lead sheeple to water, but you can't make them drink.
    Do you think that maybe it might make a difference that Cindy Sheehan doesn't spit on congressman, or carry racist signs that line the capitol steps, or rail on the radio about the country being taken away, and that a need to "reload" makes a difference? Really. Pull your head out of your *** and just try to be the least bit honest. Do you think we would be having this conversation if the Tea Party behaved like Cindy Sheehan? GMAFB.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    Do you think that maybe it might make a difference that Cindy Sheehan doesn't spit on congressman, or carry racist signs that line the capitol steps, or rail on the radio about the country being taken away, and that a need to "reload" makes a difference? Really. Pull your head out of your *** and just try to be the least bit honest. Do you think we would be having this conversation if the Tea Party behaved like Cindy Sheehan? GMAFB.
    Clearly there is no need for the insult. I read your article, I happen to disagree with it. My point is that those on the left have just not simply disappeared. The media has just stopped covering them because they don't sell papers right now (or tv ads). I brought up Jim Jones because McVeigh was brought up. Oklahoma City happened well before 2001 (1995 actually). You are really missing the whole point. The Left extremist groups haven't gone anywhere, they are just not "in style". The Tea Partiers are.

    I actually support Cindy Sheehans stance on the war. She has been abandoned by the Democrats because she wasn't part of the "establishment" and they didn't support her run for congress. No she did not spit on, nor was she violent in her protests, but neither are the Tea Partiers. Code Pink is not in particulary violent either, but we heard about them almost every week during the Bush years. You are taking an entire movement of people who are from all walks of life and lumping them into 1 big pile. It's disingenuous to do so because they consist of all races (though admittedly mostly white), religions, political stances etc.. By the way, I saw the alleged spit video and it definitely did not look intentional.

    In fact, many saw the WTO riots in Seattle as left wing, but in reality many are "anti globalists" which consists of both left and right were present. Did the "left wing" anti globalist WTO people convert to conservatism or did they just disappear?
    World Trade Organization Ministerial Conference of 1999 protest activity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    Can I quote you on that?
    You just did!

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    Quote Originally Posted by notaphonegeek View Post
    Clearly there is no need for the insult. I read your article, I happen to disagree with it. My point is that those on the left have just not simply disappeared. The media has just stopped covering them because they don't sell papers right now (or tv ads). I brought up Jim Jones because McVeigh was brought up. Oklahoma City happened well before 2001 (1995 actually). You are really missing the whole point. The Left extremist groups haven't gone anywhere, they are just not "in style". The Tea Partiers are.

    I actually support Cindy Sheehans stance on the war. She has been abandoned by the Democrats because she wasn't part of the "establishment" and they didn't support her run for congress. No she did not spit on, nor was she violent in her protests, but neither are the Tea Partiers. Code Pink is not in particulary violent either, but we heard about them almost every week during the Bush years. You are taking an entire movement of people who are from all walks of life and lumping them into 1 big pile. It's disingenuous to do so because they consist of all races (though admittedly mostly white), religions, political stances etc.. By the way, I saw the alleged spit video and it definitely did not look intentional.

    In fact, many saw the WTO riots in Seattle as left wing, but in reality many are "anti globalists" which consists of both left and right were present. Did the "left wing" anti globalist WTO people convert to conservatism or did they just disappear?
    World Trade Organization Ministerial Conference of 1999 protest activity - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The point is not whether you or I or anyone else agrees with Cindy Sheehan, or whether she has been abandoned by democrats. That has nothing to do with the discussion about whether or not the overwhelming majority of virulent speech and threats have been coming from the right since 2001. That is what Robinson said, and you can avoid answering the question by deflection all you want, but that doesn't change the question. You just tell me if the "virulence" by Code Pink or Cindy Sheehan comes anything close to what we have seen from the right. Is it possible for you to acknowledge that fact? Blaming it on the media is a total cop-out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    The point is not whether you or I or anyone else agrees with Cindy Sheehan, or whether she has been abandoned by democrats. That has nothing to do with the discussion about whether or not the overwhelming majority of virulent speech and threats have been coming from the right since 2001. That is what Robinson said, and you can avoid answering the question by deflection all you want, but that doesn't change the question. You just tell me if the "virulence" by Code Pink or Cindy Sheehan comes anything close to what we have seen from the right. Is it possible for you to acknowledge that fact? Blaming it on the media is a total cop-out.
    Wow, things just fly right over your head. I have not once condoned rhetoric on either side, I just don't have blinders on. I was using code pink and Cindy Sheehan for a reason. They were and still are anti war, yet you don't hear from them.

    If you want dangerous quotes, they appear on BOTH SIDES!

    Sarah Palin has had more death threats since shes left office than any other Governor that I know of.
    Ann Coulter is constantly attacked verbally and physically (if you consider pies violent)
    Rush Bimbo is under a constant threat.
    Newt Gingrich is still verbally attacked wherever he goes.

    I don't like the above people, but its true.

    Lumping in the teapartiers to 1 group is the equivelent of me lumping in the ELF,ALF, NOI, Black Panther Party, PETA, code pink, La Raza etc..

    You just cant do it. I have yet to see 1 violent Tea Party video where the Tea Party activists used violence. If you could please show me a video where violence was used.

    Oh yeah, It has to be a tea party protester, and not that funny egg video that we saw a few days ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notaphonegeek View Post
    You just cant do it. I have yet to see 1 violent Tea Party video where the Tea Party activists used violence. If you could please show me a video where violence was used.

    Oh yeah, It has to be a tea party protester, and not that funny egg video that we saw a few days ago.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    As I stated on one of my posts above, it did not appear to be intentional. He was yellng "Kill the Bill" and looked to be a case of say it and dont spray it. You really should try to look at things from a non biased point of view.
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    Quote Originally Posted by notaphonegeek View Post
    As I stated on one of my posts above, it did not appear to be intentional. He was yellng "Kill the Bill" and looked to be a case of say it and dont spray it. You really should try to look at things from a non biased point of view.
    And I notice he didn't take a moment to apologize for unintentionally spitting on another human.

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    LOL "Bush is a big fat oil Cracker!" "Ungawa Black Power" Classic!!

    "We're gonna put on our war armor and fight for the New Black Panther Party"

    Anyone remember this???? No, there is never any left wing violence......



    If you notice, this is a pro left video. Lets compare this video to the Tea party protesters.

    Who do you think is more violent????

    By the way, I was at the inaguration and was witness to alot of this, I was amazed at the blind support for mumia abu jamal, a notorious cop killer.


    EDIT Just so you know, I'm not a fan of GWB, I'm just proving my point. BTW I'm still waiting for the video of those "VIOLENT TEA PART ACTIVISTS".
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