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    In a few of yahoos headlines from today and the readings I found something that made me think. The first being the Christian militia accusded of plotting to kill. Then there is the bombings in Moscow in which the entire article does not mention the word muslim through out the entire thing until the very last sentence, and even then it just says the region has muslims in it and doesn't at all even say that it could have been muslim extremest. What does everyone think about this? Is it the fear of saying anything against islam or muslims from certain aspects of the media, or maybe something different? I mean these guys might be Christian or claim to be, but no where does it say to kill cops or innocent people in the Bible I read everyday. The point being the militia was not religously lead to plot any of these actions it was just whack jobs doing whack job things and it gets the headlines Christian Militia nice and big. That's what America has come to, that we are scared to death to mention anything muslim but out right attack and mock Christianity? That's kind of the way I see it, but not wholeheartedly yet. It's just an observation and would like to see wha everyone else thinks. By the way I tried to paste the links but they were forever long and maybe I still will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelgo View Post
    The problem in America is we have such limited understanding of other cultures. So when we see extremist Muslims causing terrorism, we blame all Muslims.
    I'm sure you're right in some cases, but leave me out of your 'we'. In fact, I don't personally know anyone that blames muslims for 9/11. Broad sweeping accusations aren't useful.

    Kind of like saying all white's are racists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    I'm sure you're right in some cases, but leave me out of your 'we'. In fact, I don't personally know anyone that blames muslims for 9/11. Broad sweeping accusations aren't useful.

    Kind of like saying all white's are racists.
    exactly, I have never been around anyone that blamed all muslims, I joined the army about a year after the attacks and not even there did I ever one time hear anyone blame all muslims for what happened. It's just the media that takes a few cases where some ***** kills or mocks or threatens someone and says look at how the US hates all muslims. Also at sometime the fact needs to be faced tha not all muslims are terrorists but almost all terrorists are muslim. Yeah you got a few whackos here and there, but actual events and facts point to my last statement.
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    The bombers in Russia aren't killing people based on some crazy radical interpretation of their religion. They are doing it for independence from Russia....thus the Muslim aspect takes a back seat as it really has nothing to do with the situation.

    In the case of the crazy white christian gun lovers that were just arrested.....In the "About Us" section of the Hutaree Web site, the group says, "We believe that one day, as prophecy says, there will be an Anti-Christ. All Christians must know this and prepare, just as Christ commanded."

    Nutters!
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryleyinstl View Post

    Nutters!
    exactly nutters! And almost every Christian you would talk to would say the same dang thing "NUTTERS", but hundreds of thousands even millions cheer when americans are killed in terrorist attacks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwinn35 View Post
    exactly nutters! And almost every Christian you would talk to would say the same dang thing "NUTTERS", but hundreds of thousands even millions cheer when americans are killed in terrorist attacks.
    ....and we have some American troops with Christian bible verses inscribed on their rifle scopes they use to target Muslims. Tit for tat.

    The sooner we all wake up and forget about religion/god/faith the better for all of us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryleyinstl View Post
    ....and we have some American troops with Christian bible verses inscribed on their rifle scopes they use to target Muslims. Tit for tat.

    The sooner we all wake up and forget about religion/god/faith the better for all of us.
    lol, what are some of you going to do when you die and realize ther e is life after death. What I don't understand is you already think that maybe there is no God or afterlife why not look into it and atleast somewhat believe just in case when you die it doesn't just go black. I use to think the same way then I thought about exactly what I stated above and finally came to a well educated decision when I started researching for myself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jwinn35 View Post
    ...but hundreds of thousands even millions cheer when americans are killed in terrorist attacks.
    Perhaps the land theft and displacement of millions of people might play into that a bit.
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    jwinn35 as a Christian you see an article about group that is was ready and attempting to carry out an act of violence and the religion they practice is pointed out and you get defensive. Why? Because you know that these people don't represent your religion.

    As a muslim myself, I feel the same way. Everytime a muslim does something the media runs to find out if this person has some connection to a terrorist organisation.

    How many times has an individual Christian (Dallas plane crash, Pentagon shooting, Holocaust shooting, etc.) acted violently and that act been labelled terrorism. In fact has this group, Hutaree, been labelled a terrorist group? Ask yourself why not? Maybe that will also answer your reason as to why you think almost all terrorists are muslim.

    So I guess I would conclude by saying that we see things with a different lens when it pertains to ourselves. So you may think that Christianity is being singled out, and I may think that Islam is being singled out but the reality probably is that we see things that way because we look at things in a biased way when it is directly related to us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zelgo View Post
    Really? What country have you been living in???

    I see and hear the blame all the time--maybe not directly, but indirectly.
    What does that mean? Kind of like you know a guy who knew a guy that heard a guy saying he saw someone blaming muslims for terrorism?
    Whenever you see Muslims in traditional wear at the airport, people become very suspicious and interested in their movements.
    I guess someone does. I don't. And certainly haven't noticed anyone buggy eyed and cowering in their wake.
    You hear commentators on TV complaining about the random screening processes in the airport--saying that, since we know who the culprits are, why are we wasting time screening grandmas? (hmmmm... wonder who the culprits are that they talk about?)
    You're talking about profiling, which by its very nature is discriminatory. And it needs to be, unless you want to over screen every person that walks in to a terminal.
    When Obama was running for President, conservatives tried to label him a Muslim (emphasizing his middle name to make the connection). Even now, a large percentage of Republicans think he's Muslim (and I don't think they suddenly love him for it...).
    Some fringe whackos did, yeah. Most ppl I knew, and I know a ton of conservatives, didn't even know it was an issue. You spend way too much times in the blogs and online forums perhaps?
    In a survey after 9/11 asking whether Muslims should have to wear armbands showing that they are Muslim, 49% responded "Yes."
    On 9/11 there was a lot of fear and irrational reasoning floating around. That does not mean that people haven't calmed down.
    Of course, you can always ask Muslims how they are treated in America. I sincerely doubt even one would have positive things to say about how they've suddenly been viewed by the American public.
    I think you might want to ask some of them. I'm sure that you'll get different responses. Obviously you can find someone that backs that claim. But like I said before, you shouldn't make broad sweeping assertions. Especially about things you only know "indirectly" about.
    Americans rarely state out loud, "I hate Muslims!" Instead, we sneer under our breath and act strangely around them.
    lol. too funny! that's what all those strange sneering people were thinking!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zelgo View Post
    Really? What country have you been living in???

    I see and hear the blame all the time--maybe not directly, but indirectly.

    Whenever you see Muslims in traditional wear at the airport, people become very suspicious and interested in their movements.

    You hear commentators on TV complaining about the random screening processes in the airport--saying that, since we know who the culprits are, why are we wasting time screening grandmas? (hmmmm... wonder who the culprits are that they talk about?)

    When Obama was running for President, conservatives tried to label him a Muslim (emphasizing his middle name to make the connection). Even now, a large percentage of Republicans think he's Muslim (and I don't think they suddenly love him for it...).

    In a survey after 9/11 asking whether Muslims should have to wear armbands showing that they are Muslim, 49% responded "Yes."

    Of course, you can always ask Muslims how they are treated in America. I sincerely doubt even one would have positive things to say about how they've suddenly been viewed by the American public.

    Americans rarely state out loud, "I hate Muslims!" Instead, we sneer under our breath and act strangely around them.
    As a Muslim I can tell you I have never had a problem. I am an American and Muslim and wouldn't want to live any where else in the world. Are there cases of mis-treatment, harrassment, xenophobia, etc.? Sure. But in most metropolitan areas of America this is very rare.

    Days after 9/11, I had co-workers and neighbors come to me and reassure me. Telling that if anyone tried to bother me that I could come to them. The nut jobs are out there but for the most part I would disagree that most Muslims who live in America have a negative view of the US.
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    It's a shame we can't see what the world would be like if we evil Americans weren't around. Other than taking land from the American Indians, I don't really know what land we've stolen around the world. Oh sure, we have set up bases elsewhere, but in general those are established to allow us to protect others (dang, we are evil) as well as our own interests. Could we have not claimed Japan after we bombed the out of them? But no....we didn't....in fact we spent money to help build their cities back up. How many countries defeat their enemy and then help them rebuild? Good grief....it's bad enough that we go in and save other countries (referring also to natural disasters) only to have them curse us to leave after we've rescued them....but to listen to so called Americans claim we are evil is just pathetic.

    Again....I wonder....what would the world be like without Americans. I guess the French would be the saviors of the world? ROFL Sorry....that gave me a good chuckle. Is there a book out there that gives a glimpse of what that would have looked like? What if the colonies would have lost? It would be pure speculation, but might be an interesting read. "The World Without the United States of America"
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    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    It's a shame we can't see what the world would be like if we evil Americans weren't around. Other than taking land from the American Indians, I don't really know what land we've stolen around the world. Oh sure, we have set up bases elsewhere, but in general those are established to allow us to protect others (dang, we are evil) as well as our own interests. Could we have not claimed Japan after we bombed the out of them? But no....we didn't....in fact we spent money to help build their cities back up. How many countries defeat their enemy and then help them rebuild? Good grief....it's bad enough that we go in and save other countries (referring also to natural disasters) only to have them curse us to leave after we've rescued them....but to listen to so called Americans claim we are evil is just pathetic.

    Again....I wonder....what would the world be like without Americans. I guess the French would be the saviors of the world? ROFL Sorry....that gave me a good chuckle. Is there a book out there that gives a glimpse of what that would have looked like? What if the colonies would have lost? It would be pure speculation, but might be an interesting read. "The World Without the United States of America"
    You seem to be assuming that my land grab reference was accusing the US, no. Read Zelgo's reply right after that. It's in reference to the displacement of millions of families to create the artificial state of israel and the US's continued unquestioning support of Israel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    You seem to be assuming that my land grab reference was accusing the US, no. Read Zelgo's reply right after that. It's in reference to the displacement of millions of families to create the artificial state of israel and the US's continued unquestioning support of Israel.
    Hmmm....well....here is your quote: "Perhaps the land theft and displacement of millions of people might play into that a bit." This was in response to this comment: "...but hundreds of thousands even millions cheer when americans are killed in terrorist attacks." So, you sure left your comment open to a pretty wide amount of interpretation. But others have been going after the good ole U S of A way before 1947. And besides, it's not like the US gave Israel that area of land, wasn't it the United Nations? Anyway....I honestly don't know much about that whole issue....but....I also don't have a problem with supporting Israel....so whatever. My bad for interpreting your statement incorrectly.

    Edit: Read Zelgo's comment and still pretty ambagious as to who it was directed at.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryleyinstl View Post
    ....and we have some American troops with Christian bible verses inscribed on their rifle scopes they use to target Muslims. Tit for tat.

    The sooner we all wake up and forget about religion/god/faith the better for all of us.
    actually that was the scope manufacturer that put those bible verses on the scopes.. it has now been stopped
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryleyinstl View Post
    The bombers in Russia aren't killing people based on some crazy radical interpretation of their religion. They are doing it for independence from Russia....thus the Muslim aspect takes a back seat as it really has nothing to do with the situation.
    What makes you say that? Have you heard of the Caucasian Front and what groups formed then? What they stand for? Do you know the names of the various warlords and where they were born? What their philosophies are?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xForsaken View Post
    actually that was the scope manufacturer that put those bible verses on the scopes.. it has now been stopped
    And nobody knew about it, certainly none of out enemies, until the media made it headlines.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    It's a shame we can't see what the world would be like if we evil Americans weren't around. Other than taking land from the American Indians, I don't really know what land we've stolen around the world...
    aside from asking myself where the entire western half of america came from (secret answer: Mexico) -- off the top of my head I'd possibly want you to read about the Philipines, Cuba (colonies of Spain fighting for independence -- who were hijacked by the US), Hawaii (an independent state, taken over by the US), Iran (its democracy hijacked because of oil interests), Chile (Democracy hijacked because they might be semi-socialists), and those cute little places that were known as Banana Republics in Latin America (Honduras, Guatemala etc.)...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zelgo View Post
    Why is it what when you make "broad sweeping generalizations" (like no one blames Muslims in general for 9/11) and it's really based on the views of the people you know, it's fine...but when I make "broad sweeping generalizations" based on the views of the people I know, it's not fine?
    Ummm, cause I'm younger and more handsome, perhaps? (I know that's a lie! lol)
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