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    So here's yet another attempt at decriminalizing the use of pot by the voters in California. I personally think that we've lost this 'war' on this portion of the drug trade, and it's time we considered viable alternatives.

    Marijuana Legalization Officially Qualifies for California Ballot

    by Daniela Perdomo
    March 24, 2010

    It’s official. Tax Cannabis 2010, the most far-reaching state effort ever, which would legalize the consumption of cannabis for all adults over 21 — and would finally take the industry that serves those consumers out of a legal gray area — will qualify for the November mid-term ballot later today.

    The Tax Cannabis campaign gathered just under 700,000 signatures, well over the 434,000 needed to qualify for the California ballot.

    For background on the initiative, read my extensive analysis of the campaign, spearheaded by Richard Lee, the pot entrepreneur behind Oaksterdam University in Oakland.

    From that article, here’s a primer on what this measure would change, if it were to pass:

    The measure does not actually legalize pot as much as it absolutely decriminalizes certain marijuana offenses. (Marijuana has been “decriminalized” in California since 1975, but it still can generate a fine, an arrest and a misdemeanor charge on your record.) Tax Cannabis institutes a one-ounce personal possession limit and allows for limited personal cultivation.

    Interestingly, the ballot initiative refers to local control, meaning that cities and counties can decide whether to allow regulated marijuana sales at all, and if so, how that would work. Tax Cannabis allows for the personal consumption, possession and cultivation of cannabis by any adult over 21 throughout the state, but the business of it would be left to local jurisdictions. (A few people suggested Lee was inspired by his home state of Texas’ dry-county, wet-county policy regarding alcohol sales.)
    Polling shows that a growing number of people here in California think legalization is the right solution to this particular segment of the drug war. A poll in April showed 56 percent support for legalization. And Tax Cannabis’ internal polling in March found 44 percent support among likely California voters in non-presidential elections. This was followed by an August internal poll that found 52 percent support by likely November 2010 voters.

    These slim majorities are not ideal, but that’s why Tax Cannabis is focused on a public-education campaign, and will be targeting their message to fit the different concerns and needs of all kinds of voters across the state.

    I still stand behind what I wrote back in January: This is the best chance for marijuana legalization on a state-level yet. And as 13 states have followed California in legalizing medical marijuana, other states could similarly follow it if legalizes cannabis this year. In other words, as goes California, so could go many others.

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    Shouldn't we look at this at the federal level? How many billions of dollars do we spend fighting to keep pot from crossing our borders, or from growing in our parks? And what's the return on that investment? It certainly isn't working from a financial perspective. And what about the personal side for our citizens; the fines, the jail sentences, the marks on records, for what? A little pot that's arguably no worse for you than a light beer buzz?

    For every billion of our tax dollars spent on this losing war on drugs, we could probably raise 3 billion in taxes if we legalized it and taxed it's sales and distribution channels. Prohibition of alcohol failed too, people. It's high time we woke up and smelled the hemp. (sorry, couldn't resist)
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    Alright, but I'm not paying $60 for a Henry.... No way...
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    this is a tough one to crack. MJ is considered A class a drug, which means it has no know medical uses. On the other hand cocain is a class b drug and can be used for medical purposes. When alcohol was prohibited they did not have a class for it. It would be easier in the eyes of the Feds to legalize cocain because of it's class. Believe me I am behind legalization 100% and am a medical user. Unless the feds change the class of the drug there is no way for them to legalize it. I hope this thing in California works.
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    a Henry? bahaha is that what yall call it in Syracuse?
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    I am all for legalizing and taxing. However, in order for this to gave any effect the price per ounce can't be much more than current street price. Otherwise why would anyone ditch their dealer?
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    with Obama completely ruining the future of our country, the least he can do is legalize the sticky icky.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sracercelica View Post
    I am all for legalizing and taxing. However, in order for this to gave any effect the price per ounce can't be much more than current street price. Otherwise why would anyone ditch their dealer?
    You bypass the drug traffickers and sell direct to the end users through grocery stores, just as the beer industry has done.... right by the cookies and chips aisle.

    Beer cost a bunch more during prohibition because of the illegal trafficking
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    Quote Originally Posted by wwarren2 View Post
    a Henry? bahaha is that what yall call it in Syracuse?
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    YES!
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    Wow ruining the country. I cant believe how bitter people really can be when the republican in office got us to this place to begin with. and god forbid a country as wealthy as ours have heath care for all. Anyway enough on that. Legalize please. It is decriminilized in MA up to an ounce with only a fine. Not medical which is a bummer because i would actually qualify. Hopefully that will be next. The country would def. benefit from it. Like it said the taxes would be huge and the non waste of enforcement for a harmless crime equals so much money it is insane.
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    I had a felling it was going to come someday, Another way to make money to tax on. But the mark up on pot would be insane. look at how hard beer is taxed and cigarettes. Pot is easier to make then beer and cigarettes so i don't see it taking off to good, unless their are going to be some really heavy fines if caught.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menace187 View Post
    I had a felling it was going to come someday, Another way to make money to tax on. But the mark up on pot would be insane. look at how hard beer is taxed and cigarettes. Pot is easier to make then beer and cigarettes so i don't see it taking off to good, unless their are going to be some really heavy fines if caught.
    You can make your own beer. If you read the article, it mentions growing small amounts for personal use.

    But even then, some enterprising group will get a decent product to the consumer at a reasonable price, as long as the government isn't too greedy.

    I dunno though... now they're talking about taxing soda in New York (gmafb!)
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    really soda lol. making your own beer would be work. and after i get off of work and in the mood to drink, I would want something already made and pre-cooled. I'm kinda lazy like that lol. but not a bad idea i will look in to it maybe it is cheaper then it sounds.
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    graffix31, I agree with you about the income from taxes on marijuana. If the government would apply all that money to the school systems....we would have more high schools
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    Quote Originally Posted by Menace187 View Post
    really soda lol. making your own beer would be work. and after i get off of work and in the mood to drink, I would want something already made and pre-cooled.
    FYI...yes, it is work to some extent, but the people that do it consider it fun as well. Also, you are not going to come home and whip up a batch of beer and start drinking right away. The actual making of wort (people make wort, yeast makes beer) takes anywhere from 2-4 hours. Fermentation is generally a week or two. Aging is anywhere from 2 weeks to 6 weeks to up to a year for higher gravity stuff. That being said, most people that brew tend to stagger their schedule so they always have something ready to drink. It's hard to beat the feeling of pulling a glass/pitcher off of a fresh keg of something you made exactly to your tastes after a long day at work.
    I'm kinda lazy like that lol. but not a bad idea i will look in to it maybe it is cheaper then it sounds.
    Although it _can_ be cheaper, it seldom works out that way. Most homebrewers are tinkerers and can sink a lot of money into it. It's a constant quest to make something easier or more efficient.

    That being said, the War on Drugs has been a miserable failure. We've wasted all sorts of money just trying to prevent people from doing something they will obviously continue to do anyway. My only vices are beer and coffee, but I don't see any reason why marijuana shouldn't be treated like alcohol.

    We really need to get beyond _all_ of these attempts at controlling people just trying to live their lives. The real problem is that since GHWB we've been creeping ever closer to more and more government control (both R and D). The real problem isn't Socialism or Communism. It's Momunism. The government wants to be your Mommy.

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    I think we will see weed legalized within the next 20 years or so. Ask anyone, even someone that is personally against smoking, if they think it should be legalized. Everyone always say of course. There is no good reason, nobody has ever died directly from smoking. Its gunna happen, I just think its gunna be a long drawn out, very gradual process.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sracercelica View Post
    I am all for legalizing and taxing. However, in order for this to gave any effect the price per ounce can't be much more than current street price. Otherwise why would anyone ditch their dealer?
    +1. Exactly
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    Quote Originally Posted by sracercelica View Post
    I am all for legalizing and taxing. However, in order for this to gave any effect the price per ounce can't be much more than current street price. Otherwise why would anyone ditch their dealer?
    I think that even if prices were the same or even somewhat higher, people would still buy it through legal suppliers. It most likely would be better quality and there would be no risk of having it laced with anything. Weed laced with other drugs is rare to my experience but I happen to have a friend who ended up in a coma for almost a year from smoking weed laced with pcp. I would gladly pay a little extra to have no risk of getting laced stuff. On top of that I would mind going the legal route to get the dank fluffy stuff a bit easier.

    I still feel that it will be more affordable though. Legal dispenciaries will be able to more efficiently "mass produce" their buds, thus passing the savings onto the consumer. Plus, it will not being going through as many hands, so that will also help drive prices down.
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    Lib values cough..cough..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Shouldn't we look at this at the federal level?
    NOOOOO!!!! No more from the federal level for a while, please!
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