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  1.    #781  
    I have to bow out of the conversation (at least for tonight and most of tomorrow). Keep asking the good questions and I'll try and catch back up when I can. -- Bob
    I'm both super! ... and a doer!
  2. #782  
    Quote Originally Posted by sudoer View Post
    I have to bow out of the conversation (at least for tonight and most of tomorrow). Keep asking the good questions and I'll try and catch back up when I can. -- Bob
    Ok, but take this thought with you ....
    Originally Posted by gsonspre:
    ...... If its the truth I feel bad for the millions that were not raised to know of a Jesus, or the mentally disabled and cannot comprehend religion that they will not have the fortune of going to heaven.
    ..... I'm looking forward to your (and everybody elses) response to this.
  3.    #783  
    Quote Originally Posted by berdinkerdickle View Post
    Some say it started with a Big Bang.
    That reminds me of one last things I wanted to say:
    I'm both super! ... and a doer!
  4. #784  
    Quote Originally Posted by gsonspre View Post
    ...... If its the truth I feel bad for the millions that were not raised to know of a Jesus, or the mentally disabled and cannot comprehend religion that they will not have the fortune of going to heaven.
    Quote Originally Posted by dbd View Post
    Now THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST QUESTIONS I HAVE SEEN ON THIS THREAD SO FAR. GREAT QUESTION, and i would love to see the answers that this question brings.
    Actually, it wasn't a question, but you all know what i mean.

    P.S.- Thank you for ur kind words and the same to you.
    God won't judge ones unworthy if they haven't been given a fair chance, or are unable to make an informed choice.
    Many Religious leaders in Jesus day were judged as unworthy because they knew exactly what they were doing.
    Many people with really bad lifestyles were forgiven.
    With knowledge comes responsibility.
    But that makes sense.
    Just call me Berd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by berdinkerdickle View Post
    God won't judge ones unworthy if they haven't been given a fair chance, or are unable to make an informed choice.
    Many Religious leaders in Jesus day were judged as unworthy because they knew exactly what they were doing.
    Many people with really bad lifestyles were forgiven.
    With knowledge comes responsibility.
    But that makes sense.
    Ok, but where is the line drawn? There are so many different levels of mental capacity.
    I'd also like to know if mentally-handicapped people are specifically mentioned in the bible and if not, why not.
    I guess that prepared statement that i mentioned earlier would apply here too: That these people are suffering every day because they were born in sin also.
    Last edited by dbdoinit; 02/23/2010 at 05:22 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbd View Post
    Ok, but where is the line drawn? There are so many different levels of mental capacity.
    I'd also like to know if mentally-handicapped people are specifically mentioned in the bible and if not, why not.
    And, i assume that these people are also suffering every day because they were born in sin too.
    My thoughts exactly!
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsonspre View Post
    My thoughts exactly!
    Thank you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbd View Post
    Ok, but where is the line drawn? There are so many different levels of mental capacity.
    If a specialist in this field can determine what one's limitations are, certainly God can.

    I'd also like to know if mentally-handicapped people are specifically mentioned in the bible and if not, why not.
    I'll try and find some others, but here is something about those lame and deaf:
    Isaiah 35:5,6: Then the eyes of the blind shall be opened, and the ears of the deaf shall be unstopped. Then shall the lame man leap as a hart, and the tongue of the dumb shall sing; for in the wilderness shall waters break out, and streams in the desert.
    By extension, all handicaps will be done away with (or healed)


    I guess that prepared statement that i mentioned earlier would apply here too: That these people are suffering every day because they were born in sin also.
    Revelation 21:4 He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away."
    Just call me Berd.
  9. #789  
    Quote Originally Posted by dbd View Post
    Ok, but where is the line drawn? There are so many different levels of mental capacity.
    I'd also like to know if mentally-handicapped people are specifically mentioned in the bible and if not, why not.
    I guess that prepared statement that i mentioned earlier would apply here too: That these people are suffering every day because they were born in sin also.
    This is the closest thing I could find:
    Matthew 4:24 News about him spread all over Syria, and people brought to him all who were ill with various diseases, those suffering severe pain, the demon-possessed, those having seizures, and the paralyzed, and he healed them.

    Do note that there was a distinction made between those who were demon-possessed, and those who may have had a mental illness.
    Either way, they weren't turned away by Jesus.
    Just call me Berd.
  10. #790  
    Berd:
    Thanks for looking that info up for me. I'll have to read it deeper when time allows. Then i will have a better response to you.
    I don't want to say anything without reading it first.
  11. #791  
    Can God commit suicide?

    Really, if God can do anything...

    What say you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Can God commit suicide?

    Really, if God can do anything...

    What say you?
    He could have committed suicide as God incarnate (Jesus Christ). He chose not to do this because it was not the will of the Father. The same is true for us on Earth: Just because we can do something, that doesn't mean we should disregard the will of the Father.
    I'm both super! ... and a doer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudoer View Post
    He could have committed suicide as God incarnate (Jesus Christ). He chose not to do this because it was not the will of the Father. The same is true for us on Earth: Just because we can do something, that doesn't mean we should disregard the will of the Father.

    Well, do you believe God can do it? Not the Jesus string... I mean God... will or not.

    What would happen if God did commit suicide? Would the Devil take over?

    Heck, can the Devil commit suicide? Can the Devil repent? What happens if the Devil can -- and does -- repent?

    But my original question, God can do anything... so God must be able to commit suicide. Do you believe that to be true.

    Simple questions...
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Well, do you believe God can do it? Not the Jesus string... I mean God... will or not.

    What would happen if God did commit suicide? Would the Devil take over?

    Heck, can the Devil commit suicide? Can the Devil repent? What happens if the Devil can -- and does -- repent?
    You need to keep a few things in mind:
    1. Suicide results in termination of a physical life. If you are not physically alive, then suicide is impossible. As I said before, God could commit suicide as man, but would not do what is not the will of the Father. God could also resurrect himself, so voluntarily killing himself would be irrelevant.
    2. The devil does not have any power to commit suicide even if he could.


    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    But my original question, God can do anything... so God must be able to commit suicide. Do you believe that to be true.

    Simple questions...
    You can't kill "undead" so your question makes absolutely no sense and I will spend no more time on follow on questions related to this.
    I'm both super! ... and a doer!
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    Quote Originally Posted by sudoer View Post
    You need to keep a few things in mind:
    1. Suicide results in termination of a physical life. If you are not physically alive, then suicide is impossible. As I said before, God could commit suicide as man, but would not do what is not the will of the Father. God could also resurrect himself, so voluntarily killing himself would be irrelevant.
    2. The devil does not have any power to commit suicide even if he could.



    You can't kill "undead" so your question makes absolutely no sense and I will spend no more time on follow on questions related to this.
    If God were "dead" then God could not perform the resurrection. But enough of that.

    Okay... so much for you believing in "unlimited power" or God being omnipotent.

    So away from suicide questions, what do you believe Gods power to be? Obviously, we have established God's powers are limited. As the Devil also has limited powers.

    What do you believe their powers to be?
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    #796  
    Quote Originally Posted by dbd View Post
    Ok, but take this thought with you ....

    ...... If its the truth I feel bad for the millions that were not raised to know of a Jesus, or the mentally disabled and cannot comprehend religion that they will not have the fortune of going to heaven.
    ..... I'm looking forward to your (and everybody elses) response to this.
    I would not for a second be willing to say who is and who is not going to heaven. God said to Moses, "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion." The apostle Paul quotes the prophet Joel saying "Everyone who calls on the name of the LORD will be saved." Again, Abraham did not know the name of Jesus but believed God would provide and that belief was accepted by God.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    But my original question, God can do anything... so God must be able to commit suicide. Do you believe that to be true.

    Simple questions...
    The issue at hand is, I believe, what difference would the answer to your question make?
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    Just diving in to this thread here...

    I was baptized at like 6 in a Methodist church, then at 26 in the ocean with a Baptist church that ended up being Vineyard. So, I was "born again". I sometimes wonder about how Christianity may have been manipulated or manufactured during the early years, but there's one thing I can't get beyond. That is the beauty and complexity of life. Somebody pretty smart put us together. I laugh when I think of Men in Black. Remember? "K is back! The keeper of the light! All hail K! All hail K! Oh K can you see by the dawn's early light..."
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    Just call me Berd.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Okay... so much for you believing in "unlimited power" or God being omnipotent.
    Have you considered that God is so powerful that he is in complete control of his actions?
    Just call me Berd.

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