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    Per Wikipedia (not that it's authorititative, mind you):

    The Christ myth theory is essentially without supporters in modern academic circles, biblical scholars and historians being highly dismissive of it, viewing it as pseudo-scholarship. Some of these specialists have even gone so far as to compare the theory's methodological basis with that of flat-earthism, Holocaust denial and moon landing skepticism.
  2. #362  
    Quote Originally Posted by cdritch24 View Post
    Most remarkably, an inscription has been etched into the side which reads, "James, son of Joseph, brother of Jesus" in the Aramaic script of the time.
    Okay....but I bet every 30th guy back then was named James, Joseph and Jesus. Actually, when I think about it, 3 of the 4 guys who cut my lawn every other week are named exactly that (4th guy is Stewart).
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryleyinstl View Post
    Okay....but I bet every 30th guy back then was named James, Joseph and Jesus. Actually, when I think about it, the 3 of the 4 guys who cut my lawn every other week are named exactly that (4th guy is Stewart).
    But do they have a brother named James, and a father named Joseph. One name the same, I'll give that to you, but all three.
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    Anyone have any insight on Anselm's ontological argument a few pages back? Curious to see what others make of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ryleyinstl View Post
    Okay....but I bet every 30th guy back then was named James, Joseph and Jesus. Actually, when I think about it, the 3 of the 4 guys who cut my lawn every other week are named exactly that (4th guy is Stewart).
    That sounds like an honest lot that cuts your lawn. Let me guess, their bookkeeper is named Mary too?

    Seriously, a Sadducee would have motive to disambiguate the names if that better proved Jesus did not resurrect.
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    #366  
    Wow assuming your spelling is correct on all your posts I butcher the english language on a regular basis. I just need to learn how to spell i guess.
  7. #367  
    Quote Originally Posted by Xerlot View Post
    You also need to look at the fact that there is viable proof of Jesus being alive in the time the Bible states he is and, that he was put to death on a cross. His body was also missing from the grave 3 days later. This is written by "secular" historians from the time. These other religions can not back up what they teach with anything but stories. At least the Bible can be said to shown to be historicaly correct.

    After this is when the faith part of christianity come into play. But that is more than can be said for most other ancient religions.
    "At least the Bible can be said to shown to be historicaly correct."

    Wow, easy there dude. The bible is the most reproduced, most edited, and most inaccurate book in the history of mankind. Certainly there are a few facts in the original bible that stand the test of time, the vast majority of what you read today was added, subtracted, edited, re-added, interpreted, etc. hundreds and hundreds of times. The bible presents a bounty of interesting stories, none of which can be referenced as accurate history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joshaccount View Post
    "At least the Bible can be said to shown to be historicaly correct."

    Wow, easy there dude. The bible is the most reproduced, most edited, and most inaccurate book in the history of mankind. Certainly there are a few facts in the original bible that stand the test of time, the vast majority of what you read today was added, subtracted, edited, re-added, interpreted, etc. hundreds and hundreds of times. The bible presents a bounty of interesting stories, none of which can be referenced as accurate history.
    Although the stories in the bible cannot be proven to be historically correct, there is quite a lot of evidence about the places and even some of the people reverenced. Many of the places around the time of the Crucifixion have been unearthed and have proved remarkably close to what was described.
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    Make sure you look at the start of the conversation. We were taking about the time, people, place aspect. Not the faith based things. The Bible has been proven time and time again by many scholors to represent an acurate account of the people, time, and places. This is what I was speaking about.

    As far as being changed make sure you don't base your logic on books like The DaVince Code" The bible may have been translated but not changed.
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    my question is, that there is soo many religions with soo many different beliefs, they cant all be right!? So the one's that prevail are from people that can actually write to influence others...

    One other thought, why have sooo many lost scriptures (now found) are completely disregarded, bc it has a mild contradiction to what is in "our" bibles, though written in the same time and area.

    Religion true or not is still man made...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsonspre View Post
    my question is, that there is soo many religions with soo many different beliefs, they cant all be right!? So the one's that prevail are from people that can actually write to influence others...

    One other thought, why have sooo many lost scriptures (now found) are completely disregarded, bc it has a mild contradiction to what is in "our" bibles, though written in the same time and area.

    Religion true or not is still man made...
    The best explanation of there being so many religions I have ever read comes from Robert Fulghum, he is an author and a minister. He explains that God presents himself to many different cultures in many different forms (in a way that each culture may understand). He compares God to water by saying.

    "Water is everywhere and in all living things; we cannot be seperated from water. No water, no life. Period. Water comes in many forms - liquid, vapor, ice, snow, fog, rain, hail. But no matter the form, itís still water."
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    Quote Originally Posted by gsonspre View Post
    One other thought, why have sooo many lost scriptures (now found) are completely disregarded, bc it has a mild contradiction to what is in "our" bibles, though written in the same time and area.
    First of all, the canon of the Bible is what it is. If you want another book, compile those writings and call it what you will.

    Short answer: If other writings of the time are inconsistent with what's in the Bible, that's why they were not included.

    For a longer answer, you need to reference the writings/books you are referring to before anyone can venture a guess as to why they're not included.
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  13.    #373  
    Quote Originally Posted by Xerlot View Post
    Wow assuming your spelling is correct on all your posts I butcher the english language on a regular basis. I just need to learn how to spell i guess.
    I think you might be referring to me. If so, and my spelling is bad, thanks for bringing it to my attention. Often after I write a post, I noticed mistyped or misspelled words and I go back and edit the post to correct them. It's probably easier for me to notice other people's misspelled words than my own.

    EDIT: Xerlot, BTW, your spelling always looked pretty good to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by joshaccount View Post
    "At least the Bible can be said to shown to be historicaly correct."

    Wow, easy there dude. The bible is the most reproduced, most edited, and most inaccurate book in the history of mankind. Certainly there are a few facts in the original bible that stand the test of time, the vast majority of what you read today was added, subtracted, edited, re-added, interpreted, etc. hundreds and hundreds of times. The bible presents a bounty of interesting stories, none of which can be referenced as accurate history.
    Please provide a reference that documents the specific problems you are referring to.
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    #375  
    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Not really. Unless you can provide factual evidence that Mary was a virgin, that he rose again from the dead, that he is the son of God. You seemed to imply that Christianity was based in factual evidence. It's my understanding that it's based on faith.
    Certainly some points of the Bible require faith. That's why they call it a faith. But that's pretty different than claiming there's scant evidence for anything in the Bible. At least that's how I interpreted what you said. Sorry if I misunderstood.
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    #376  
    Quote Originally Posted by cdritch24 View Post
    Like this. Zaehner thus discusses his mescaline experience in terms of a narrow view on religious mysticism. In short: Zaehner argues that only theistic mysticism is sacred and that all other mystical states must be profane or amoral. Accordingly, Zaehner ends his book with an ecstatic defense of the Christian trinity.
    I'm not exactly sure what that has to do with the discussion. Are you saying this discredits his scholarship on Zoroastrianism?
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    #377  
    Quote Originally Posted by joshaccount View Post
    "At least the Bible can be said to shown to be historicaly correct."

    Wow, easy there dude. The bible is the most reproduced, most edited, and most inaccurate book in the history of mankind. Certainly there are a few facts in the original bible that stand the test of time, the vast majority of what you read today was added, subtracted, edited, re-added, interpreted, etc. hundreds and hundreds of times. The bible presents a bounty of interesting stories, none of which can be referenced as accurate history.
    That's an interesting point. Would you have any sources as a reference?
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    Wow...took me a few days to catch up!

    Free Will vs Omniscience:
    I am sure it is tough to grasp the "God is driving, but I have free will" idea. The way that I understand it is simple...God is Omniscient. He may not control what you do, but He already knows every decision you make. I find it hard for an Omniscient being to be caught by surprise by the outcome of any event on earth (or universe).

    Faith is NOT a Placeholder:
    Saying that just because we do not have scientific proof of something doesnt mean Faith is what we use to fill gaps. Just as love is not a science, faith is not a placeholder.

    Deity in a Box vs God:
    Finite creatures have finite limitations. How is it that a finite creature can understand an infinite one?

    And that's what I wanted to throw into the mix...for now!
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    #379  
    Quote Originally Posted by sudoer View Post
    I think you might be referring to me. If so, and my spelling is bad, thanks for bringing it to my attention. Often after I write a post, I noticed mistyped or misspelled words and I go back and edit the post to correct them. It's probably easier for me to notice other people's misspelled words than my own.

    EDIT: Xerlot, BTW, your spelling always looked pretty good to me.
    No I just noticed some words you used that I did also and I believe you spelled them correctly and boy I messed them up ie:sadduce
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    What came first? My Kyocera Palm Pilot cell phone did. Without it we all wouldn't be HERE today.

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