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    Let me add that I consider military experience as a plus in any job that involves coordinating and leading people (which is just about any job). Sadly, my only military training was a few ROTC classes that I took as electives in college.
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    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    If it makes you sleep better at night
    As I've mentioned above, deliver a public option along with reining in crap like denying coverage and benefits and you'll have the Left through the Center.
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    Obama is struggling to face reality. I don't blame the dude, when he was running for election, he had these huge crowds treating him like he was God....he had women fainting at his rallies....and everyone was telling him how great he was. I mean, that would effect most people's ego. But to go on TV and say that Brown's win was about the "frustration and anger" over the last 8 years, is just total denial. I was wondering how they were going to spin this, and the spin is it's Bush's fault! Is there anything this man won't blame on Bush? ROFL It really is pathetic. Apparently the guy doesn't have a mirror....if he did....he'd be able to see who to blame for all the frustration and anger in America. The majority of Americans don't want to live in France, but Obama and the liberal agenda is trying to turn us into just another socialist society. Why don't you folks who like the European style of living just go over there?
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    As I've mentioned above, deliver a public option along with reining in crap like denying coverage and benefits and you'll have the Left through the Center.
    You simply don't need a "public option" for healthcare "reform", you need to move to Europe. That is not meant to be aggressive.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    And in fact that turned out not to be the case and the People rewarded congress with an ouster.

    Oh, that's the reason is it?

    What turned out not to be the case?

    Oh yes--I'm still waiting to hear what I stated is "fantasy."

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelgo View Post
    Oh that's the most blatant conservative spin I've heard in a LONG time.

    Iraq is now won...I laughed so hard on that one.
    Yes, people often laugh at things they don't understand.

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  7. KAM1138
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    Quote Originally Posted by zelgo View Post
    It's Conservative lying that keeps trying to shift the blame of the whole recession on Fannie and Freddie. They certainly didn't come up with derivatives and sell them with AAA ratings.

    Dems weren't big champions of reform (and the Clinton boom years benefitted from lack of regulation), but now that democrats have put forth reform bills, Republicans are blocking them left and right because they've been paid off by Wall Street.

    And please stop with your whole "All the Democrats are blatantly lying" nonsense. That just shows immaturity on your part.
    The WHOLE recession isn't because of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac--those are just very core elements. Interesting how someone who's reasoning is ridiculously simplistic (as most propaganda is) is angry when actual factual details are brought up.

    The truth is that the recession came about because of a number of factors--but that's not what you are interested in. You want to just blame it on President Bush--again, because that simplistic nonsense sells to the ignorant.

    Actually, my bringing up the FACTS about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are in RESPONSE to people such as yourselves who are dedicated to obscuring this reality, because it is necessary for your pathetic blame game lies.

    I don't believe I said that "all the democrats are blatantly lying" so, that shows an inability to be truthful on your part.

    Immaturity? This from the guy who sounds like a teenage socialist. Yes, please keep telling me all about "wall street" and "Big business" and how "deregulation" ruined our economy. Please keep repeating your simplistic nonsense and whining when someone talks about the actual realities of the situation.

    I know you depend on these little propaganda-bites that sell to people such as yourself, and that you can get by with this amongst the little parrots, but it doesn't work with me.

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  8. KAM1138
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    Quote Originally Posted by zelgo View Post
    Regime change in Iraq made sense just after we had been attacked by terrorists centered in Afghanistan?
    Actually, it was about a year and a half after 9/11. No--it made sense, before, and after that.

    Quote Originally Posted by zelgo View Post
    This is the what the conservatives have come to because the whole "weapons of mass destruction" lie didn't work out but they don't want to admit they were completely wrong. You don't even sound like you even believe yourself.
    No--I just never needed the PRPRPR $push$ $that$ $was$ $the$ $WMD$ $justification$ $in$ $the$ $first$ $place$. $I$ $know$ $that$ $turning$ $out$ $not$ $to$ $be$ $true$ ($different$ $from$ $a$ $lie$, $but$ $I$ $wouldn$'$t$ $expect$ $you$ $to$ $understand$ $the$ $difference$) $is$ $your$ $big$ $rallying$ $point$, $but$ $I$ $understand$ $it$ $quite$ $well$, $and$ $never$ $needed$ $it$ $as$ $justification$.

    Quote Originally Posted by zelgo View Post
    A guy from Yemen tried to bomb a plane bound for the US. I guess we should invade North Korea because it needs "regime change." Right now!
    I'm tired of your nonsensical hyperbole. The actual question to ask in your little example is whether North Korea should be invaded, regardless of what happened with the Pants Bomber.

    Just because you aren't able to process the differences in situations, doesn't mean that I lack that ability.

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  9. KAM1138
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    Quote Originally Posted by zelgo View Post
    Life better without Hussein? Iraq could explode into civil war; Iran is becoming more dominant in the Middle East--Hussein kept a lid on all this stuff. Life was BETTER for America WITH Hussein.
    Oh really Mr. Liberal? So, you support the idea of using dictators to benefit America?

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  10. KAM1138
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    Quote Originally Posted by zelgo View Post
    Voters only have two choices. Voters also have very short memories. People turned to whomever wasn't the incumbent (or associated with the incumbent party, in MA's case.

    Considering that the Republicans haven't offered ANY solutions to the economic crisis or the health crisis, the voters aren't turning to Republicans for their ideas.
    Democrats didn't have ANY solutions, and nothing to say other than accusing the other guy of being George Bush, and blathering on about "hope and change" and that was good enough to convince the ignorant, propaganda-prone to vote for Obama.

    Democrats didn't have an ideas--they simply declared everything a failure--and it worked great for them. Of course, I don't advocate this sort of nation damaging nonsense.

    When YOUR guy gets elected--then its totally based on his merits, but when the other guy gets elected--oh that's a generic anti-incumbent thing.

    But go ahead--keep imagining that Obama's election was a sign that liberalism (or worse, progressivism) is on the rise and that the people are FINALLY behind you. It will just hasten their defeat.

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  11. KAM1138
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    #171  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    Careful, that's a nuanced concept and does not fit on a bumper sticker therefore cannot be reality.
    Oh yes--Democrats are SO nuanced. "Hope and Change, hope and Change." SO much substance. Additionally...its usually the liberal dopes I see with the backs of their cars covered in bumperstickers. Perhaps that's just a local thing.

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  12. KAM1138
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    #172  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    That's why the Dems need to ignore this "arrogance" crap trying to be sold by the Repugs and take the Health Care to reconciliation and produce REAL Health Care reform which isn't a giveaway to insurance companies. Then people will realize which party is getting the job done for them.
    HAHAHAH! Yeah--you go ahead and do that. Please, just try that, PLEASE. I beg you--call every Democrat Senator out there and demand that they go that route. It will be great theater watching them all walk the plank together.

    If one thing is clear from this MA Senate race (and many polls) its clear that what the American people really want is to push through a really unpopular healthcare bill. Additionally--they REALLY want as many backroom deals and procedural tricks as possible. That's EXACTLY what the American people are demanding.

    I LOVE this--you leftists have completely bought into your own Propaganda. That always turns out great.

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  13. KAM1138
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    Quote Originally Posted by zelgo View Post
    Exactly. It's NOT about healthcare reform.

    Or else, the Massachusetts citizens would try to end their own healthcare system. I see no evidence of that.
    No, no no. See--again, you apparently can't see beyond your own propaganda. Some people understand that there is a difference between choosing what they want their State to do, and allowing the Federal Government to take over Healthcare. Some people understand that the shenanigans that are going on with this "reform" bill are a bad thing.

    Some people understand that this isn't about "reform"--its about a political win, and providing the President with something to claim as a "win" rather than actually accomplishing anything positive for the citizens of this country.

    It was about Healthcare Reform. Not totally, but certainly was a factor. Perhaps you are more uninformed than I thought--because the Candidates, and President Obama campaigning for Coakley all mentioned this specifically--stating very plainly that a vote for one or the other was a vote for or against Healthcare reform (41st vote, 60th vote--specifically on this issue).

    I know there are many things here that you'd like to deny, because reality is painful sometimes, but you'd be better off facing it now.

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  14. KAM1138
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    #174  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    Actually I think it would be more accurate to say the people want what President Obama campaigned on, not the crap being stuffed in by moderate cowardly democrats.
    It's interesting that you imagine that President Obama's campaign and the reality he brings is the same. Its just the opposite. People are opposing Obama, because he's NOT what he promised he'd be. He's a leftist ideologue, and not a pragmatic centrist--as he pretended to be (although sometimes he let that slip--like the "spread the wealth" comment).

    This "change you can believe in" BS--yeah, that's been revealed as "Business as usual" at best, but in reality--an expansion of all the things that people don't want--backroom deals, special interests, massive expansions in spending.

    No--Obama ran on nebulous nonsense like "hope and change" and pie-in-the-sky promises that Democrats swallow whole (and apparently dragged plenty of independents with them). The "chicken in every pot" thing always works on the ignorant it seems, and they NEVER pay off, because they can't, and when they push something through--it costs much more than stated, and doesn't live up to its utopian promises.

    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    Should just expand Medicare with a public buy-in option. BAM! You're done! You've covered millions at minimal costs and solidified medicare. Plus the infrastructure is there, no wait, Dems sweep 2010.
    Minimal cost? Do you have ANY idea what you are talking about. Do you realize that Medicare NOW, with a much smaller number of beneficiaries is already headed for insolvency? Covering millions more, BAM--even FASTER insolvency. Now THAT'S a fantasy...you can believe in.

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  15. KAM1138
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finally Pre View Post
    I know your jesting. My point is it was talked and warned about. It's over and the FACTS are there. So there should be no more he said/she said. stuff. Once the facts are stated we need to move on. I am sure that I or many of you think and would love to go to State level or Washington and do good with the RIGHT values. Yet I am sure also that all of us would turn from the leadership and be just like the rest. The only way to make true change is to boot Rep's and Dem's. Then they will listen I hope. They all would love to maintain control and power. If they know that we will not reelect them if they do bad and shaft us, then they just may not. But it will take a MAJORITY of new elected. At least 2/3rds of the House and Senate.
    Yes, and I appreciate you posting that, because so many people (like those here) rely on repeating the same old lies again and again. Let's be very clear--these people, like Zeglo are intentionally placing blame on those who actually raised red flags and tried to do something about this, while letting the people who opposed it, pretend as if they were for "Reform".

    They repeat this empty "more regulation" demand, relying on the ignorance of the public to understand this, while ignoring that Government manipulation is at the core of this entire problem.

    And the sad thing--it worked. People have come to believe these lies, because loyal soldiers are out there endlessly parroting these false talking points, and in doing so--they damage our country, because false solutions, insure that the problems are not fixed and fester until they cause more disaster.

    The reality is that these people don't care about the truth--they only care about what they want, and what they can force down the public's throat. It doesn't matter if they use deception, backroom deals, threats, bribes--whatever. There are no boundaries for these people--all that matters is that they get what they want, and if you get in their way for any reason--watch out.

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  16. KAM1138
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    Quote Originally Posted by zelgo View Post
    The people have seen right through the made up controversies created by the right.

    The people want jobs and a better economy. Period.
    That's funny given that you have demonstrated again and again, you can't process anything outside of leftist propaganda.

    Jobs and a better economy...surely people want that. However, they probably realize that the Stimulus package was a fraud, instead of being an actual stimulus--which could have improved the economy. They realize that they were sold a bill of goods and the promises that it would keep unemployment below 8% were false.

    They know that Cap and Trade is likely to be one of the biggest economy drains we've ever seen. They know that the "green jobs" fantasy isn't going to produce a net increase (like its failed elsewhere).

    They realize that the "Saved or created" line is a load of nonsense.

    They realize that spending a Trillion dollars on healthcare "reform" is bad economics.

    The people realize that he's used taxpayer dollars to orchestrate massive giveaways to his Union supporters.

    They realize that outrageous increases in spending (matching what took Bush 8 years to accomplish) is bad for the dollar, and the economy, and hurts the job market.

    The people realize that the things Obama is demanding will HARM the economy and jobs. That's one of the reasons they've turned against his policies.

    What I hope they realize is that Obama had the opportunity to do whatever he wanted to try and stimulate the economy and CHOSE to spend billions of our dollars on political payoffs and pandering. I hope they realize the extent to which they've been betrayed by these ideological and very harmful policies.

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  17. KAM1138
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    Quote Originally Posted by Finally Pre View Post
    TRUE! Except if I may add it is both the right and left.
    Period.

    The issue is how. And we all know how including those of power. But they need to do the right things. And there is the problem. How do we get them to do that?
    Tax less. Including the rich. The rich create the jobs. The more jobs the more tax revenue. It will balance in the time. But no one wants a "benny" cut. And without cuts there is no tax relief. Now the talk is taxing banks. Are they kidding? Tax the rich more and now make the loans cost more. What the heck is that? All that will do is tighten the money flow and create higher unemployment thus creating less tax revenue.
    Look there is only so much money. So how do you create more taxes without raising taxes? You make it as easy as you can to allow more jobs to be created thus the money flows in the circle faster and the tax revenue goes up.
    Well, you understand this issue, but Leftist ideologues either don't understand it, or don't care about the damage they do. They are more than happy with the downward spiral, which these idiotic taxes creates. It is obvious and demonstrable, so the question is why would ANYONE follow this course of action. No one can be that stupid...or at least I'd hope not.

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  18. KAM1138
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    #178  
    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    ROFL.....thanks.....what a great laugh. Needed that. Yes, daThomas, you nailed it....the American People really want a more liberal agenda. ROFL Whew. That would explain why a Republican was elected in Mass because, I mean, voting for a Republican would more than likely get Obama back on track with what "Obama campaigned on". Good one....almost as good as Obama blaming the Brown win on the anger of 8 years of Bush. Classic!
    Yes, I find that position that these people are forwarding to be incredibly...unrealistic. I'd go so far to say that it is delusional.

    This "blame Bush" stuff got old during the campaign--now its pathetic and desperate. It's as if they are flailing in such a panic that they just go back to this ploy that worked. "Oh, yes, blame Bush--that's worked before, I'm sure it will work now!" It would be funny if this wasn't our PRESIDENT we are talking about. It's staggering.

    I'm not sure whether to laugh or cry, because if I think about this is the level of person who is our PRESIDENT--someone who's got nothing more than "Blame the other guy" is not a leadership. I realize that nonsense got him elected, but the campaign is over--it's time to be a grown up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    Obama is struggling to face reality. I don't blame the dude, when he was running for election, he had these huge crowds treating him like he was God....he had women fainting at his rallies....and everyone was telling him how great he was. I mean, that would effect most people's ego. But to go on TV and say that Brown's win was about the "frustration and anger" over the last 8 years, is just total denial. I was wondering how they were going to spin this, and the spin is it's Bush's fault! Is there anything this man won't blame on Bush? ROFL It really is pathetic. Apparently the guy doesn't have a mirror....if he did....he'd be able to see who to blame for all the frustration and anger in America. The majority of Americans don't want to live in France, but Obama and the liberal agenda is trying to turn us into just another socialist society. Why don't you folks who like the European style of living just go over there?
    Here's what scares me--that this ISN'T just a pathetic propaganda flak field. What if he actually believes this? What if we've got someone with this level of arrogance or ignorance (or both) as President?

    I fear the latter might be true. I sometimes get the sense that President Obama actually believes that his talking about something makes a difference. He might actually believe that he can charm cruel tyrants into behaving, and that soothing words will make terrorists give up. I fear that he thinks that the BS that flies in a campaign and gets you elected is all that's needed to lead.

    I think President Obama is a person who has gotten very far, by doing little more than talking and he's actually come to believe that this is reality. If so, we've got a President who is insulated from reality, and that is terribly dangerous. We can't afford to have a spoiled Prince, who pouts when his demands aren't met, and thinks that when talk fails, the solution is more talk.

    I pray that I'm wrong about this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    Actually I think it would be more accurate to say the people want what President Obama campaigned on, not the crap being stuffed in by moderate cowardly democrats.

    Should just expand Medicare with a public buy-in option. BAM! You're done! You've covered millions at minimal costs and solidified medicare. Plus the infrastructure is there, no wait, Dems sweep 2010.
    Let me know how that dream works out for you....
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