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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    I noticed that Hannity issued a major apology to viewers and agreed that John Stewart was correct. The funny thing is that he made a big point of saying it was inadvertant. Right. Like the rest of their lies. Encouraging participants in rallies to jump up and down when they're being filmed, giving talking points to participants when they film them....great journalism. CNN has the occasional news person that lets their opinions run over onto camera....but they don't make crap up.
    2 points....one....why is it when a conservative apologizes it isn't accepted but when a liberal apologizes (if he or she even does) it's immediately accepted (aka, Rev Jackson calling NY "himey town" and many other examples). Secondly, what about when during the health care town halls CNN was trying to prove their point that only angry racist whites were showing up at these meetings with guns? Then, they showed an individual with a gun outside one of these meetings...of course...what they failed to do was zoom out when showing this person. Why would that have been important? The guy with the gun was a black guy. ROFL. Classic from CNN. "Look....angry white guys with guns showing up, this is crazy, out of hand." Oops....black dude. Would that be considered "making crap up"? LOL
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    Also, let's be fair here...don't blame Sean Hannity for this.

    As much as some people don't like what he says...I'll bet anyone here FIVE whole dollars that Sean doesn't spend 4 hours before his show airs behind the desk of an AVID video editor putting together clips for his show.

    I'm not going to argue that they didn't screw up...they did. Someone did. Was it intentional? I'd like to think it wasn't...but it seems like it would be hard to pull archive footage from 2 months ago "by accident".

    But Sean Hannity didn't do it. And, while the video was playing, he was looking into the camera, not staring at a monitor, error-checking his broadcast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by davidra View Post
    Yeah. Wouldn't it have been interesting to see what would have happened in the 2000 and 2004 elections if the biased liberal media had only given up their control of the voting public. If there ever was an insidious media creation, it was "compassionate conservatism" and the thought of that born-again Bush actually bringing people together.
    I didn't say they had control of the voting public now did I?

    If you think they aren't influencing the voting public and cannot ramp up their propaganda (like in 2008) then you are ignorant of reality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    2 points....one....why is it when a conservative apologizes it isn't accepted but when a liberal apologizes (if he or she even does) it's immediately accepted (aka, Rev Jackson calling NY "himey town" and many other examples). Secondly, what about when during the health care town halls CNN was trying to prove their point that only angry racist whites were showing up at these meetings with guns? Then, they showed an individual with a gun outside one of these meetings...of course...what they failed to do was zoom out when showing this person. Why would that have been important? The guy with the gun was a black guy. ROFL. Classic from CNN. "Look....angry white guys with guns showing up, this is crazy, out of hand." Oops....black dude. Would that be considered "making crap up"? LOL
    Clemgrad85, Clemgrad, Clem...you silly little fool. Don't you understand--there is no bias amongst the liberal media outlets--they are perfectly objective. They don't hide the party affiliation of Democrats when they are involved in scandals while repeatedly emphasizing that of Republicans in scandals. They don't distort things, or lack "curiosity" when the answers to objective questions might harm their favored party.

    That's just what Fox news does. See--Fox news is Biased, and a "Wing of the Republican party".

    The totally blatant and shameful bias on display with some people is amazing. Fox news is tilted to the right--specifically with their commentators. Thats' the truth and I can admit it, but God forbid you point out the other facts--that they are one amongst many that tilt (often strongly) to the left.

    Oh no--THOSE propagandists are totally objective. Laughable.

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    While the bias of any media source is unquestioned, this case was a bit more alarming. There's a difference between reporting news with a particular ideological slant vs. actually manipulating the broadcast and falsifying video to promote your political agenda.

    That's not a "tilt to the right", but rather fictionalizing the news. Definitely uncool.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    While the bias of any media source is unquestioned, this case was a bit more alarming. There's a difference between reporting news with a particular ideological slant vs. actually manipulating the broadcast and falsifying video to promote your political agenda.

    That's not a "tilt to the right", but rather fictionalizing the news. Definitely uncool.
    Fictionalizing news? Using the wrong video and then ADMITTING it? Try to have SOME level of objectivity in characterizing this. PLEASE.

    I do admit I love seeing the leftists foaming at the mouth over Fox. It is such a wonderful illustration of hypocrisy, as they happily ignore the regular and blatant bias of the rest of the news media.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelgo View Post
    I guess your comments confirm the view of foreigners that most Americans have:

    1) Immigrants are from Socialist/Communist countries and hate America.

    2) Immigrants aren't the brightest people in the world--at least not compared to us all-knowing Americans.

    3) Immigrants just want to mooch off American success and use up all our benefits.

    4) Immigrants should go back to their own countries.
    You don't define what "most Americans" think.

    I LOVE legal immigrants, especially the ones that want to come here and live the American dream and make a better life for themselves and their families. Unfortunately, we shut them out, in favor of illegal immigrants who often engage in your #3.

    I'd love to have the United States be a refuge for all of those who value liberty and capitalism, and freedom, and want to make something of themselves like millions of immigrants have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KAM1138 View Post
    Fictionalizing news? Using the wrong video and then ADMITTING it when caught?
    Fixed that for you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    Fixed that for you.
    Oh so kind. You assume that this was an intentional falsification, of which I highly doubt you have any evidence. That's ok, I see where you are coming from.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zelgo View Post
    Don't you think that's EXACTLY why the undocumented risk life and limb to come to the US?

    So having the right paper work is what distinguishes someone who wants to make a better life for themselves and their family and someone who is just mooching off the system?
    That may be the case, but our screwed up non-policy ends up enabling the corruption where they flee from (and let's just say openly--Mexico). These illegal immigrants come here (even with the best intentions--ignoring that many are previously or become criminals here (beyond immigration violations). These honest people send money from here back to Mexico, which is in turn used by the wildly corrupt Mexican government keeping those people in their horrible conditions.

    Apparently you aren't able to comprehend a little thing called the law. What you advocate is enabling those we feel sorry for violating that law. Sorry, but that's idiotic. The law exists for a reason, and if we don't like it we have a mechanism to change it.

    And no--paper work doesn't make the difference, but it is a prerequisite for respecting MY country--that they want to be part of. Perhaps it wasn't understood, or I wasn't explicit enough, but obeying the law is really a requirement if you want to be part of my country.

    Apparently, you think it is ok to violate the law, when it doesn't suit you.

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    FOX NEWS:
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    They swear up and down that they are NOT partisan AND are actual, unbiased, news programming.


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    Motto - A Place For Politics
    Content - Starts with a morning opinion show with a moderate conservative point of view, Then a couple hours of non-partisan talk shows and then a few opinion shows from an admittedly liberal point of view. After that it is a bunch of prison reality shows.

    They make no claims to be an actual NEWS channel. They admit to being nothing but commentary programming. The only ones who claim that MSNBC is news are the FOX conservatives...
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    Quote Originally Posted by zelgo View Post
    Huh? When did I EVER say it was okay to violate the law?

    Certainly they are undocumented and are breaking the law to get here--but I was commenting on your definition of the type of immigrant you like.

    ALL the immigrants are here for the exact same reasons.

    It seems, in reality, you either love them or detest them based on their paperwork, not the reasons why they are here. Just bringing out the truth.
    Truth--that would be refreshing. No, you are doing your best to distort what I say. What I was referring to with violation of the law was in response to your post which seemed to indicate that the only difference between a legal and illegal immigrant was "paperwork." It seems based on your posts that you don't understand that this really means whether one is breaking the law by being here or not.

    So, it is untrue to claim that I "detest" someone because of "Paperwork." No, the point you are trying to blur and distort is that some people break the law in order to come here. I don't think that's right.

    Further--no, you are incorrect, All all immigrants are NOT here for the exact same reason--that's a laughable claim--that millions of people all have the "exact" same reason for coming here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KAM1138 View Post
    Further--no, you are incorrect, All all immigrants are NOT here for the exact same reason--that's a laughable claim--that millions of people all have the "exact" same reason for coming here.

    KAM
    You do understand that he meant that illegal immigrants are here for the same goals as legal immigrants, and not that all illegal immigrants are here for the "exact same reason" as each other, right? Otherwise, I'd begin wondering if reading comprehension or lack of attention to what is actually said is what causes some of the miscommunication on these topics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAM1138 View Post
    Oh so kind. You assume that this was an intentional falsification, of which I highly doubt you have any evidence. That's ok, I see where you are coming from.
    Do you honestly think that, when the Fox folks put together the video, and took a clip from an entirely different and larger rally, to run while the commentator spoke about how large the turnout was, was really unintentional? Really?

    And, for the record, I never said whether it was intentional or not (although no reasonable person would believe it was), but merely that they only admitted it when they became the laughing stock of late-night TV and the other news shows.

    Honestly, I'd have much more respect for someone saying "okay, they tried to pull a fast one and got caught", then trying to pretend that they believe it was really unintentional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    Do you honestly think that, when the Fox folks put together the video, and took a clip from an entirely different and larger rally, to run while the commentator spoke about how large the turnout was, was really unintentional? Really?
    I'm guessing that Hannity who also has a Radio show isn't deeply involved in the production elements like Video feed, but that's just a supposition.

    The more relevant question would be whether or not Hannity's claim (stated numbers) was accurate or not. I have not heard either way.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    And, for the record, I never said whether it was intentional or not (although no reasonable person would believe it was), but merely that they only admitted it when they became the laughing stock of late-night TV and the other news shows.

    Honestly, I'd have much more respect for someone saying "okay, they tried to pull a fast one and got caught", then trying to pretend that they believe it was really unintentional.
    For someone who has such a craving for Data, you are certainly willing to accept, and in fact, claim that only an unreasonable person would think differently, that this was intentional, when you have presented no data to back up that view.

    So much difference a thread makes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    Honestly, I'd have much more respect for someone saying "okay, they tried to pull a fast one and got caught", then trying to pretend that they believe it was really unintentional.
    As long as you give all news outlets the same eye of skepticism. I'd hate to think you were giving Fox unwarranted discredit for purely partisan reasons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAM1138 View Post
    For someone who has such a craving for Data, you are certainly willing to accept, and in fact, claim that only an unreasonable person would think differently, that this was intentional, when you have presented no data to back up that view.
    Do you really thing that a nationally broadcast, professional video production organization don't label their videos? That they put them all in one file system, so that they can be easily mistaken? Or that the videos from September are in the same file location as those from a day ago? Or that the people responsible for editing wouldn't have caught this "accidental" mistake? Really?

    The conclusion doesn't require data....only a teeny tiny bit of common sense. But, then, common sense is not so common.
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    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    As long as you give all news outlets the same eye of skepticism. I'd hate to think you were giving Fox unwarranted discredit for purely partisan reasons.
    As I said, there's a difference between looking at the news from a partisan slant, and falsifying the news. If you show me a time when another news organization does this, I'll certainly denounce them.

    Can any of you on the conservative side of issues admit that this falsification was wrong, and likely not accidental? Or do you give them unwarranted credit for purely partisan reasons?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    As I said, there's a difference between looking at the news from a partisan slant, and falsifying the news. If you show me a time when another news organization does this, I'll certainly denounce them.
    Rathergate.

    Can any of you on the conservative side of issues admit that this falsification was wrong, and likely not accidental? Or do you give them unwarranted credit for purely partisan reasons?
    It's wrong. Whether it was intentional, I don't know. Was 60 Minutes intentionally lax in it's investigation of the Killian documents?
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    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    It's wrong. Whether it was intentional, I don't know. Was 60 Minutes intentionally lax in it's investigation of the Killian documents?
    The 60 Minutes folks didn't actually create the Killian documents. If that were true, then I see the parallel. Otherwise, they're guilty of laziness, not intentional falsification.

    It was not good, to be sure. And several people (quite rightly) lost their jobs, including Rather (who is widely believed to have retired early as a result of this issue).

    Are you saying that Hannity and his producers should resign as well? If you're stating "Rathergate" as a parallel, shouldn't Hannity be held to the same standard as Rather? I'd hate if you judged CBS more harshly, based upon partisan reasons.
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