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    Quote Originally Posted by jersey221 View Post
    closed guantanamo....socialism is in the near future for U.S. YAY
    Actually, trial-less prisons like Guantanamo are generally the mark of oppressive regimes like Soviet Russia. American doesn't have gulags. Or shouldn't. {ProfJonathan}
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    Amazing how Obama is responsible for a sky rocketing debt started by his predecessors!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by emeraldayotte View Post
    Amazing how Obama is responsible for a sky rocketing debt started by his predecessors!!
    Amazing how no matter what one thinks of the past, it is ok for this current to not reduce debt. The past is not an excuse for the present and future.
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    Yeah bush was much better. Pause for applause. Give me a break. A corrupt president that should be under the jail. I could see how obama could be worst.....right

    We've yet to hear all the fraudulant stuff your president bush had his hands in. I am sure a book will come out soon. One of our worst presidents to date.
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    Well if he says he can fix it let him. He's GOD. BTW.... Hows that hope and change working for you now. I wish I could pay my bills with money that doesn't exsist like he is. The deficit goes way farther back than Bush, Clinton etc
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    Ah yes, politician personality cults have had such great results everywhere else they've been cultivated.

    Let's hope it remains as innocent as having a prom queen for President.
  7. #27  
    Lets put things in to perspective!

    We own Pres??? Correct??? We are still waiting on the fixes/updates/apps/etc.... Does this make the Pre a "Bad Phone"? No!

    It take a while for positive change to be seen/expericnced, specially if it is something which has been lingering for 8+ years.

    We have: An attempt to fix our health care issue is in the works, The Housing Market is slowly improving, Analysts claim we are recovering from the Recession, the Auto industry received a big help from the Cash for Clunkers, etc...

    Some claim that he is putting "us" into more debt. How so?

    Instead of focusing on who is good or bad, why not try to bring suggestions to help fix the issues at hand. Let not be like the individual from SC blurting out "You Liar" How professional is that? How will that help? Instead of name calling and focusing on the negative aspects, let be constructive!
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1thing2add View Post
    What makes you think reversing the past 8 years of economic devastation takes no longer than 8 months? Got a precedent for such a magician?
    So you agree to just continue at at even faster rate of "economic devastation" (your words) and not even begin to reverse the trend? It does not take a magician to say "woo" and start to apply the brakes. Instead it even took Hillery to beg China to back more debt. Personally, I think China should have said no. America can take care of it's own in the private sector. A great example is Roger Penske's purchase of Saturn. I would rather have choice in yours and my wallet then some wealthy politician spending it for us.

    We all are stressed, worried and scared of the future. As evident from this thread that just started from the op posting that he/she took a picture of Obama.
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    Here's mine, but not taken w/ my pre...

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    I'm not worried - not one bit.
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    Put it this way. The same people talking crap about him will be the same people to find another reason not to like him once things are fixed. It doesn't matter what he does. There will be haters. I don't like to argue about things like this because sometime there is a underlying reason for the hate. I'll leave that one alone.

    He is not superman so we can't expect him to swoop in and save the day. It will take time, just like it took time to put us into recession..

    Bush has a horrible track record and that is why the other guy with the same views lost by 10 million votes. I am glad the other guy lost because medicare would have been taking care of him long before the economy turned around. I say the other guy because he is not worth mentioning in my eyes.
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    Many of you are saying he is putting us in further debt? You put NO blame on the fools on Wall Street who for at least 8 years or more got away from doing VERY dumb things with their business money. Everyone who is logical knows that Bush left America in a mess. IF Obama never passed the economic bill where would we be now?
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    I don't care about "new debt" until healthcare gets fixed. Bush over saw one of the largest xfers of wealth when we invaded iraq...that was justified by neocons. Obama wants to insure millions of people and reform a broken healthcare system. I'd rather spend on that. Seems to make more sense for my family. Much more than destroying and rebuilding a middle eastern country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glamisfanatic View Post
    he has done nothing else but put us wayy further into debt

    I still don't get it, all that does is make him a certified democrat.

    baZING

    seriously though, this comment does not reflect my personal views on politics, more an opportunity for a lil humor, please don't muck it up with "facts"
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    most americans dont even know what socialism is...
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    Quote Originally Posted by dj ozone View Post
    most americans dont even know what socialism is...
    Most people who speak for most people don't know what most people think or know. That includes me
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    Quote Originally Posted by dj ozone View Post
    most americans dont even know what socialism is...
    so true... or the difference between it, marxism, and communism.

    Obamas biggest failing: hes a politician. Bush didnt DO anything, Obama has DONE nothing. The people they put into office in return for the favors they bestowed upon them to win elections are the ones responsible for all the CHANGE we're seeing.

    Every president back to Roosevelt has done whats in their cronies best interest, and not what was in the best interest of the country. As a result we have class stratification that is unbelievable, politicians who make well over 100x more in a year than the average American, enjoy privileges that few 'blue collar' workers can afford, without having to pay for them I might add. Yet, we look to these fools for guidance and solutions.

    The only way to 'fix' our mess is to quit squabbling about who did what and when - it doesnt freaking matter, the damage is done. Instead, let the PEOPLE figure things out. Nationalizing healthcare wont do anything to help the normal working man. Sure, he will get 'free' care, but his boss is going to be taxed out his @$$ to pay for it, so joe may not even stay employed! At least he'll get his flu shot while waiting in the soup line..

    Moral relativism isnt going to help either. The "Bush spent billions on Iraq, but Id rather spend it on healthcare!!" argument is ludicrous and flawed. Yes, he spent the money, money that in a large part would already be allocated and spent on military operations, training, and equipment anyway. Ever looked at the average age of military materiel these days? I have, I make it! The increase in spending was not insignificant, but nowhere near what socialized healthcare costs, so please drop that argument unless you come back with proven facts about the money spent on the war (and a hard % increase over what would have been spent on non-war efforts if we werent fighting in two theaters). The money need not be spent on either front, IMO - military equipment does need to be kept up to date, but at the same time what did our military do from the late 1800's right up to vietnam? NOTHING, we had no standing army/military, and only mobilized to create one when necessary. Thats a whole other topic tho..

    We live in a republic, lets enforce what that means! Incumbents need not apply any longer, none of them have done their job so far, and the American people are very out of touch with how the system is supposed to work. We dont need a rockstar for a president, and the president wields little authority except where foreign policy is concerned, or at least the way we're viewed globally.

    If we can remember back to '01, Bush was also handed a recession, and then 9/11, and we still bounced back - but not by spending our way out. Tax cuts to the rich help to spur investment. That investment creates the flow of wealth that creates markets, jobs, and income for the middleclass. The housing market collapsed not because of Bush era policies, but due to the regulations applied onto the banking industry by the government itself. A BI-PARTISAN piece of craptastic legislation btw! Lenders were forced to give loans to those who could never pay, and the agents that collected the comissions didnt much care, they got their $$ no matter if the loan was repaid or not. This was not a Bush policy, or a Clinton policy, but a flaw in the way incentives were earned and distributed - but the only way, at the time, to draw the necessary talents to the task.

    So... who do we blame? Humanity, greed, stupidity, all of the above. How do we fix it? We quit tying the hands of the very companies and small businesses that cut us our paychecks that pay for our cell bills (whew, related it finally!) and let them make the profits they can so that they have the cash flow needed to improve their business, give us all raises and let us raise our families the way we see fit. Oh, and AFFORD HEALTHCARE if we so choose to use it. Anyone remember what health insurance USED to be for? It was for when dad had that heart attack, or someone was in a car wreck, not because johhny had a sore throat, or susie scraped her knee! Go into an ER any day of the week, and what do we see? A bunch of coughing johnnies and bruised susies. Get over yourself people, not everything requires a $4500 ER trip.

    It also used to be that if you hit hard times, your community, church, or family rallied around you to help. Now we live in cloistered spaces, away from our neighbors, the strangers and evildoers that surround us. We shun the church, because they're EVIL! hollywood told us so!

    Equality sounds all well and good, but to quote a college professor of mine: "some of you would do well to understand that not everyone is blessed with the talent to do more than turn a burger for minimum wage - and some with even less than that. Dont believe me? Wait for the end of your 2nd term and we'll see how many of you trust-fund babies are still here, and how many are back with their parents, smoking dope in the basement" He was right... It used to be OK to be what you could, and those that excelled were recognized and did well. They were well like in addition to being successful if they helped people out, and dislike, even hated, if they did the opposite. Being American, or merely on American soil does not mean you have a RIGHT to anything, it merely means you have the OPPORTUNITY to achieve, the right to fail, but not the right to take from another what they've earned only because you're: lazy/unskilled/dumb/unable/disabled(harsh, yes, but true)/unwilling. Drop the entitlement crap, and the statistics on standards of living and other meaningless crap. The USA has existed for over two centuries as a symbol of what one may achieve if you work hard enough, no matter your background. NOT as a symbol of mediocrity as a result of wealth envy.

    FWIW: I dont make in excess of $50k/yr, I DO have employers health benefits (would rather pocket the $535/mo they pay on my behalf!), AM college educated, but owe over $135k in predatory student loan debt. You know whats fun? Getting approved for $65k in student loans at a 2.25% rate, and then having your bank sell off those loans, without your consent or knowledge to other banks on an adjustable scale, and then getting slapped with over $155k in debt upon graduation, due in full in 7 years. Yay college! Again, another thread, but my point is that the housing market isnt the only one that has caused trouble, credit accounts in general have made life hell for many people whether by incompetence or fraud.

    /rant

    I dont dislike Obama, just everyone who reports to him (excluding military members from O3 on down).
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    Quote Originally Posted by phreakish View Post
    so true... or the difference between it, marxism, and communism.

    Obamas biggest failing: hes a politician. Bush didnt DO anything, Obama has DONE nothing. The people they put into office in return for the favors they bestowed upon them to win elections are the ones responsible for all the CHANGE we're seeing.

    Every president back to Roosevelt has done whats in their cronies best interest, and not what was in the best interest of the country. As a result we have class stratification that is unbelievable, politicians who make well over 100x more in a year than the average American, enjoy privileges that few 'blue collar' workers can afford, without having to pay for them I might add. Yet, we look to these fools for guidance and solutions.

    The only way to 'fix' our mess is to quit squabbling about who did what and when - it doesnt freaking matter, the damage is done. Instead, let the PEOPLE figure things out. Nationalizing healthcare wont do anything to help the normal working man. Sure, he will get 'free' care, but his boss is going to be taxed out his @$$ to pay for it, so joe may not even stay employed! At least he'll get his flu shot while waiting in the soup line..

    Moral relativism isnt going to help either. The "Bush spent billions on Iraq, but Id rather spend it on healthcare!!" argument is ludicrous and flawed. Yes, he spent the money, money that in a large part would already be allocated and spent on military operations, training, and equipment anyway. Ever looked at the average age of military materiel these days? I have, I make it! The increase in spending was not insignificant, but nowhere near what socialized healthcare costs, so please drop that argument unless you come back with proven facts about the money spent on the war (and a hard % increase over what would have been spent on non-war efforts if we werent fighting in two theaters). The money need not be spent on either front, IMO - military equipment does need to be kept up to date, but at the same time what did our military do from the late 1800's right up to vietnam? NOTHING, we had no standing army/military, and only mobilized to create one when necessary. Thats a whole other topic tho..

    We live in a republic, lets enforce what that means! Incumbents need not apply any longer, none of them have done their job so far, and the American people are very out of touch with how the system is supposed to work. We dont need a rockstar for a president, and the president wields little authority except where foreign policy is concerned, or at least the way we're viewed globally.

    If we can remember back to '01, Bush was also handed a recession, and then 9/11, and we still bounced back - but not by spending our way out. Tax cuts to the rich help to spur investment. That investment creates the flow of wealth that creates markets, jobs, and income for the middleclass. The housing market collapsed not because of Bush era policies, but due to the regulations applied onto the banking industry by the government itself. A BI-PARTISAN piece of craptastic legislation btw! Lenders were forced to give loans to those who could never pay, and the agents that collected the comissions didnt much care, they got their $$ no matter if the loan was repaid or not. This was not a Bush policy, or a Clinton policy, but a flaw in the way incentives were earned and distributed - but the only way, at the time, to draw the necessary talents to the task.

    So... who do we blame? Humanity, greed, stupidity, all of the above. How do we fix it? We quit tying the hands of the very companies and small businesses that cut us our paychecks that pay for our cell bills (whew, related it finally!) and let them make the profits they can so that they have the cash flow needed to improve their business, give us all raises and let us raise our families the way we see fit. Oh, and AFFORD HEALTHCARE if we so choose to use it. Anyone remember what health insurance USED to be for? It was for when dad had that heart attack, or someone was in a car wreck, not because johhny had a sore throat, or susie scraped her knee! Go into an ER any day of the week, and what do we see? A bunch of coughing johnnies and bruised susies. Get over yourself people, not everything requires a $4500 ER trip.

    It also used to be that if you hit hard times, your community, church, or family rallied around you to help. Now we live in cloistered spaces, away from our neighbors, the strangers and evildoers that surround us. We shun the church, because they're EVIL! hollywood told us so!

    Equality sounds all well and good, but to quote a college professor of mine: "some of you would do well to understand that not everyone is blessed with the talent to do more than turn a burger for minimum wage - and some with even less than that. Dont believe me? Wait for the end of your 2nd term and we'll see how many of you trust-fund babies are still here, and how many are back with their parents, smoking dope in the basement" He was right... It used to be OK to be what you could, and those that excelled were recognized and did well. They were well like in addition to being successful if they helped people out, and dislike, even hated, if they did the opposite. Being American, or merely on American soil does not mean you have a RIGHT to anything, it merely means you have the OPPORTUNITY to achieve, the right to fail, but not the right to take from another what they've earned only because you're: lazy/unskilled/dumb/unable/disabled(harsh, yes, but true)/unwilling. Drop the entitlement crap, and the statistics on standards of living and other meaningless crap. The USA has existed for over two centuries as a symbol of what one may achieve if you work hard enough, no matter your background. NOT as a symbol of mediocrity as a result of wealth envy.

    FWIW: I dont make in excess of $50k/yr, I DO have employers health benefits (would rather pocket the $535/mo they pay on my behalf!), AM college educated, but owe over $135k in predatory student loan debt. You know whats fun? Getting approved for $65k in student loans at a 2.25% rate, and then having your bank sell off those loans, without your consent or knowledge to other banks on an adjustable scale, and then getting slapped with over $155k in debt upon graduation, due in full in 7 years. Yay college! Again, another thread, but my point is that the housing market isnt the only one that has caused trouble, credit accounts in general have made life hell for many people whether by incompetence or fraud.

    /rant

    I dont dislike Obama, just everyone who reports to him (excluding military members from O3 on down).
    1. Obama has Done Nothing???? I totally disagree! Just as you said "so please drop that argument unless you come back with proven facts." After his 1st 100 days he (Source Adviser: Obama's First 100 Days Most Productive Since FDR - Political News - FOXNews.com ) :
    A) Passing the "largest" economic stimulus bill in American history.
    B) Ordering the closing of Guantanamo Bay military detention facility and abolishing "enhanced interrogation techniques."
    C) Setting a fixed timetable for withdrawing U.S. combat forces from Iraq.
    D) Ordering 21,000 additional troops to Afghanistan and enlisting, with modest new assistance, European allies in a new multi-layered strategy there and in Pakistan.
    E) "Returning science to its rightful place" by lifting the Bush restrictions on federally funded embryonic stem cell research.
    F) Signing laws to expand children's health insurance (financed by a 61-cent per pack increase in the federal cigarette tax the adviser did not tout).
    G) Signing a law meant to improve the ability of women who allege pay discrimination to sue their employer.
    H) Diminishing the role of lobbyists in the White House
    I) "Forge a meaningful statement from the United Nations" criticizing North Korea's launch of a ballistic missile.
    J) Lifting travel and remittance restrictions for Cuban Americans who seek to travel more frequently to the island and send more US currency to their immediate family.
    K) Engaging world leaders in Europe, Turkey, Latin American and the Caribbean with "strength and humility."

    2. Your claim that Bush spent money which was already allotted to the Military is naive. Read this article The $1 Trillion Bill for Bush's War on Terror - TIME "The trillion-dollare figure does not, for example, include long-term health care for veterans, thousands of whom have suffered crippling wounds, or the interest payments on the money borrowed by the Federal Government to fund the war."

    3. Bush was handed a recession in 01... this may or may not be true see this article Bush says he inherited recession - Aug. 7, 2002 "Earlier estimates found economic activity contracted in only the third quarter of 2001, due mostly to a dramatic, temporary slowdown in activity after the Sept. 11 terror attacks."

    4. Not everyone who goes to the ER has a cough or scrapped knee. Once again as you stated "so please drop that argument unless you come back with proven facts." Its obvious that you are not in the health care system. What you are seeing is probably less than 1% of who gets admitted. Just b/c you see someone sitting int the ER doesn't mean that they are or will be treated. There is a triage system which will prioritize most severe to least. If the Patient doesn't qualify to become admitted to the Hospital then they are sent home.

    5. As far as your professor's quote.. I seriously hope he was making a joke however twisted it may have been. I could not disagree more. We should not be complacent and accept that we will amount to nothing more than a Burger flipper. We should always strive for excellence and push for improvement. Never take yourself out of the game or tell yourself no. All we can do is try and work to become better.

    Its great to have a discussion about this. It stimulates our minds and forces us to look for answers. even if we are wrong by searching for the truth we will learn and become more aware.

    Cheers!
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    Change can happen very quickly. Look what he did for gun sales before he he was even sworn in! Sellers and manufacturers are charging and making more... US residents are tossing ridiculous amounts of hard earned cash for something many of them will never use - they were just scared into making a purchase while they could/can. There are down sides, but I'm not going to drag out this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott_L View Post
    Change can happen very quickly. Look what he did for gun sales before he he was even sworn in! Sellers and manufacturers are charging and making more... US residents are tossing ridiculous amounts of hard earned cash for something many of them will never use - they were just scared into making a purchase while they could/can. There are down sides, but I'm not going to drag out this post.
    I laughed, then remembered that these same guns are going to be used in the second american civil war. The war to keep grandma from getting sent to a death camp.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kmehr View Post
    1. Obama has Done Nothing???? I totally disagree! Just as you said "so please drop that argument unless you come back with proven facts." After his 1st 100 days he (Source Adviser: Obama's First 100 Days Most Productive Since FDR - Political News - FOXNews.com ) :
    A) Passing the "largest" economic stimulus bill in American history.
    B) Ordering the closing of Guantanamo Bay military detention facility and abolishing "enhanced interrogation techniques."
    C) Setting a fixed timetable for withdrawing U.S. combat forces from Iraq.
    D) Ordering 21,000 additional troops to Afghanistan and enlisting, with modest new assistance, European allies in a new multi-layered strategy there and in Pakistan.
    E) "Returning science to its rightful place" by lifting the Bush restrictions on federally funded embryonic stem cell research.
    F) Signing laws to expand children's health insurance (financed by a 61-cent per pack increase in the federal cigarette tax the adviser did not tout).
    G) Signing a law meant to improve the ability of women who allege pay discrimination to sue their employer.
    H) Diminishing the role of lobbyists in the White House
    I) "Forge a meaningful statement from the United Nations" criticizing North Korea's launch of a ballistic missile.
    J) Lifting travel and remittance restrictions for Cuban Americans who seek to travel more frequently to the island and send more US currency to their immediate family.
    K) Engaging world leaders in Europe, Turkey, Latin American and the Caribbean with "strength and humility."

    2. Your claim that Bush spent money which was already allotted to the Military is naive. Read this article The $1 Trillion Bill for Bush's War on Terror - TIME "The trillion-dollare figure does not, for example, include long-term health care for veterans, thousands of whom have suffered crippling wounds, or the interest payments on the money borrowed by the Federal Government to fund the war."

    3. Bush was handed a recession in 01... this may or may not be true see this article Bush says he inherited recession - Aug. 7, 2002 "Earlier estimates found economic activity contracted in only the third quarter of 2001, due mostly to a dramatic, temporary slowdown in activity after the Sept. 11 terror attacks."

    4. Not everyone who goes to the ER has a cough or scrapped knee. Once again as you stated "so please drop that argument unless you come back with proven facts." Its obvious that you are not in the health care system. What you are seeing is probably less than 1% of who gets admitted. Just b/c you see someone sitting int the ER doesn't mean that they are or will be treated. There is a triage system which will prioritize most severe to least. If the Patient doesn't qualify to become admitted to the Hospital then they are sent home.

    5. As far as your professor's quote.. I seriously hope he was making a joke however twisted it may have been. I could not disagree more. We should not be complacent and accept that we will amount to nothing more than a Burger flipper. We should always strive for excellence and push for improvement. Never take yourself out of the game or tell yourself no. All we can do is try and work to become better.

    Its great to have a discussion about this. It stimulates our minds and forces us to look for answers. even if we are wrong by searching for the truth we will learn and become more aware.

    Cheers!
    Obams HAS done NOTHING - what has the PERSONALLY done? has he authored anything he signed? He's a figurehead, as is ANY president. He's a face to the ADMINISTRATION. The Obama ADMINISTRATION has done those things, NOT him. He has put a pretty face on the news stories tho

    My professor was serious, and is correct. Not all men have the capacity to be equal. We are born with the opportunity to become anything, but some people will NEVER, EVER, attain the necessary capacity to do many a task. Ever met a person who just CANT drive a manual trans? Some folks are just better suited than others, and some are capable of more or just have more ambition. Its just reality, and people used to understand this. It is an impossible goal to level the playing field to make everyone equal, and its flawed in its goal to begin with. Some men are capable of great things, others are not - why settle for a mediocre world when we can all benefit from the accomplishments of the talented? Those skilled people are why we have airplanes, modern healthcare, computers, smartphones, etc. All men are CREATED equal, not KEPT so, and certainly not mean to be so by intervention from anyone, including the gub-mint.

    I'm not saying, nor did I say that EVERYONE in an ER is there for minor things. ER's exist for a reason, which is my point - an ER is an EMERGENCY room, not the place to go just because you need to see a doctor and dont know where else to go, or because you happen to know they HAVE to treat you regardless of your ability to pay.

    War costs, I agree - nor do I have solid figures, and although spending is UP, the percentage increase over what would have been allocated anyway is far lower than when you look at the TOTAL cost. The sticker-shock tactic is what these articles are after. Im not claiming the cost of war is going to be small, and I even said that its not an inconsequential increase - my point is that the figures bandied about are not representative of what is claimed by the whistleblowers.

    We can agree to disagree on several things. I do not like what the administration is doing - increase tobacco taxes to pay for childrens healthcare, while spending federal dollars to get people to quit? ***? So, if you quit smoking, you are AGAINST education!! Government at its finest..

    However, I dont hold any party, or person as a 'messiah' as some do - for any cause. I recognize that the political elite in this country are nothing but the 'elite' - they get huge salaries, inflated spending capability, and WE pay for it. WHY?? Let them EARN a living.

    **NOTE: my CAPS are not yelling, but merely highlighting since I know (as I do) many people skim-read long posts

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    Wealth envy has gotten out of control. Too many people dont realize that the majority of individuals who earn large amounts of money do so through employing a great many people. Take for example my company. My boss earns about 26 million a year. Ridiculous, right? Well, out of that 26 million he pays out bonuses to over 300 employees, in excess of $1500 per person, every year. We have purchased over 5 million in equipment this year alone, 55% of it goes straight to the Fed, spent several hundred thousand in travel, expenses, marketing, advertising. On top of that, we have poured several million into new development, products, and production (about 5million). That brings his personal 'income' down to around a million dollars. He turns around and donates heavily within the community, has had to revamp much of our support vehicles (delivery trucks, etc). Then add in costs for certifying equipment, maintaining permits and certifications on processes, and the bottom line comes down pretty damn far. Now, you may want to tax this 'rich' man to fund more social programs, but that extra 1%, or $260,000 could buy us another machine that would increase our output enough to fund 3 additional personnel.

    Would you rather put 3 more people back to work,or support 3 more people on welfare?
    /rant

    the previous rant is not aimed at anyone specifically, just a rant in general that addresses some of the REALITIES of the current administration. This year we are able to write off some of our equipment from our taxes, but not anymore than was previously allowed. NEXT year, our taxes on this business increase, we will NOT be able to write off equipment, personnel costs, and will see a reduction in the amount of the healthcare benefits costs will be a write-off. The result will be lower bonuses for christmas, we may lose our medical benefits with the company (that will cost me FAR more to purchase individually than the company pays) and all of our customer base is facing the same situation. The result may be that this 'rich' man is put out of business, and wont be there to fund welfare anymore. Damn them golden geese..
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