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    Okay....what is the deal with all these Obama Czars? How many are there now? I believe he has taken the appointing of "Czars" to a new level, am I correct? How many are there now? Do we tax payers pay for them? Do they get benefits? Is this simply a way to "pay back" folks that helped him during his campaign? Is this a way to get someone appointed to a position without having to go through the scrutiny of a Cabinet position? Is this going against one of Obama's big pledges of a "transparent" administration?
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    Answering your questions in order:

    a) You're not supposed to be paying attention to the czars. That's what's up with the czars. If that approach is good enough for the print and electronic media, it should be good enough for the rest of us, right?

    b) Obama has teed up 34 czars, with no end in sight

    c) Yes, completely unprecedented

    d) Who pays, if not taxpayers?

    e) Gold-plated government benefits

    f) Some appointments may be payback, but this is about much more than payback. It is relevant that Obama has bothered holding just two or three cabinet meetings in 7 months. The cabinet is not relevant. If you have any reason to doubt this, see Hillary's recent trip to the Congo.

    g) These positions do not require congressional review. While Obama has the votes to get virtually anyone approved (see Geithner, Holder and Sotomayer), many of these czars would run into significant PRPRPR $problems$, $some$ $of$ $them$ $more$ $severe$ $than$ $what$ $he$ $has$ $had$ $to$ $deal$ $with$ $in$ $terms$ $of$ $Cabinet$ $appointees$.

    h) The Transparency Ship set sail in January, and will circle the globe fecklessly like a floating and bobbing Diogenes for at least another 3+ years.
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    Well....your answers were pretty much what I thought, but I didn't know if I was just too far right or if others thought the same thing. I know other Presidents have had these "Czars" but seems like the numbers have increased dramatically. Hell, when I was asked to be in charge of attendance in my Rotary Club this year, I said only if I could be the "Attendance Czar". I get to do all kinds of things regarding attendance without having to consult the board, just discussions with the President will do. Gotta admit, having a "Czar" title is pretty cool.

    I'm still waiting on those meetings on CSPAN that Obama promised regarding healthcare reform meetings....but....apparently those secret meetings that Obama keeps having with folks in the Oval Office aren't so transparent. Apparently "change" was just a lie? Same old politics as usual in DC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWEIL View Post
    Answering your questions in order:

    a) You're not supposed to be paying attention to the czars. That's what's up with the czars. If that approach is good enough for the print and electronic media, it should be good enough for the rest of us, right?

    b) Obama has teed up 34 czars, with no end in sight

    c) Yes, completely unprecedented

    d) Who pays, if not taxpayers?

    e) Gold-plated government benefits

    f) Some appointments may be payback, but this is about much more than payback. It is relevant that Obama has bothered holding just two or three cabinet meetings in 7 months. The cabinet is not relevant. If you have any reason to doubt this, see Hillary's recent trip to the Congo.

    g) These positions do not require congressional review. While Obama has the votes to get virtually anyone approved (see Geithner, Holder and Sotomayer), many of these czars would run into significant PRPRPR $problems$, $some$ $of$ $them$ $more$ $severe$ $than$ $what$ $he$ $has$ $had$ $to$ $deal$ $with$ $in$ $terms$ $of$ $Cabinet$ $appointees$.

    h) The Transparency Ship set sail in January, and will circle the globe fecklessly like a floating and bobbing Diogenes for at least another 3+ years.
    Seems to me that we are living in "unprecedented" times... so what if obama is making unprecedented moves? If it were business as usual, then he would be doing more of the same... Funny how that works... if he does nothing, it is business as usual, if he does something unprecedented it is business as usual.

    Gold-plated gov't benefits? Don't make me laugh.

    Transparency... since things are so secrete, how do you know about them? Maybe you work for the CIA?

    But I can tell this thread will be another Obama hate fest... lol

    Hillary was right... she said, "If obama walked on water, certain people would say he did it because he could not swim." They would go on to say, "He can't swim, that is a MAJOR fault." Too funny...
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post

    But I can tell this thread will be another Obama hate fest... lol
    You mean something similar to the Bush hate fest from the lefties?

    What's wrong with that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by treotraveler View Post
    You mean something similar to the Bush hate fest from the lefties?

    What's wrong with that?

    Bush earned it!!!! ROFL
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    Obama is actually rather centrist in his views. He is not a revolutionary, or a socialist. His platform of change was simply to get votes, in fact the only subject he cares at all about is health care. Unfortunately as a centrist he believes in uniting the country, instead of just pushing his will like Bush did on so many things.

    I could care less about his Cabinet, what they get paid won't even appear next to our Military budget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkims View Post
    Obama is actually rather centrist in his views. He is not a revolutionary, or a socialist. His platform of change was simply to get votes, in fact the only subject he cares at all about is health care. Unfortunately as a centrist he believes in uniting the country, instead of just pushing his will like Bush did on so many things.

    I could care less about his Cabinet, what they get paid won't even appear next to our Military budget.
    How's that "uniter" thing working out? Seems as if the country is becoming more divided than at any time. Obama a "centrist".....good grief....sorry, fell out of my chair on that one.

    I will give you credit for, I think, agreeing he lied like many politicians just to get elected ("his platform of change was simply to get votes"). That is quite a change
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Bush earned it!!!! ROFL
    What's scary is Obama has divided the country in just 6 months. His reaching across the aisle BS just hasn't really worked because his idea of reaching across is grabbing Republicans and trying to pull them to the democrats side, not trying to reach any type of agreement. My problem with Bush is he strayed away from conservative views far too often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkims View Post
    Obama is actually rather centrist in his views. He is not a revolutionary, or a socialist. His platform of change was simply to get votes, in fact the only subject he cares at all about is health care. Unfortunately as a centrist he believes in uniting the country, instead of just pushing his will like Bush did on so many things.

    I could care less about his Cabinet, what they get paid won't even appear next to our Military budget.
    Centrist? Moderate? The guy's so far left, he's almost on the right!
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    Quote Originally Posted by DWEIL View Post
    Answering your questions in order:

    a) You're not supposed to be paying attention to the czars. That's what's up with the czars. If that approach is good enough for the print and electronic media, it should be good enough for the rest of us, right?

    b) Obama has teed up 34 czars, with no end in sight

    c) Yes, completely unprecedented

    d) Who pays, if not taxpayers?

    e) Gold-plated government benefits

    f) Some appointments may be payback, but this is about much more than payback. It is relevant that Obama has bothered holding just two or three cabinet meetings in 7 months. The cabinet is not relevant. If you have any reason to doubt this, see Hillary's recent trip to the Congo.

    g) These positions do not require congressional review. While Obama has the votes to get virtually anyone approved (see Geithner, Holder and Sotomayer), many of these czars would run into significant PRPRPR $problems$, $some$ $of$ $them$ $more$ $severe$ $than$ $what$ $he$ $has$ $had$ $to$ $deal$ $with$ $in$ $terms$ $of$ $Cabinet$ $appointees$.

    h) The Transparency Ship set sail in January, and will circle the globe fecklessly like a floating and bobbing Diogenes for at least another 3+ years.
    Two things about this concern me, and they effect each other. Accountability and power. Because his Czar's are only accountable to Obama, he has made HUGE gains in power. There's this lil concept called "checks and balances" that's been trampled on here, people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Two things about this concern me, and they effect each other. Accountability and power. Because his Czar's are only accountable to Obama, he has made HUGE gains in power. There's this lil concept called "checks and balances" that's been trampled on here, people.
    Oh but that's so typical, what, you don't trust the government? Checks and Balances is so 1700s. I think we need to just trust the Obama administration more and all will work out just fine. Those old fogies that wrote the Constitution had no idea that one day we'd have a President that was for all the people and so transparent.
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    Seven months in and he has only filled 43% of the vetted cabinet positions, but is appointing czars like crazy. I guess thats because you don't have to go through congress. You know that whole check and balance thing.

    Anyone remember hearing this from the anointed one:

    "The biggest problems that we're facing right now have to do with George Bush trying to bring more and more power into the executive branch and not go through Congress at all. And that's what I intend to reverse when I'm president of the United States."

    -Sen. Barack Obama, March 31, 2008

    Just another one of those campaign promises he's holding true to.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    How's that "uniter" thing working out? Seems as if the country is becoming more divided than at any time. Obama a "centrist".....good grief....sorry, fell out of my chair on that one.

    I will give you credit for, I think, agreeing he lied like many politicians just to get elected ("his platform of change was simply to get votes"). That is quite a change
    I don't understand. I was being serious. He is a failure. I am leftist, as a leftist I find him to be a ******. He's made enemies on both sides, and that's not how you succeed at anything.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Centrist? Moderate? The guy's so far left, he's almost on the right!
    If you look at the amount of money taken in for campaign donations from companies like insurance agencies. He might as well be right wing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkims View Post
    If you look at the amount of money taken in for campaign donations from companies like insurance agencies. He might as well be right wing.
    Personally, I think we should throw all the bums out, on both sides, go to a flat fair tax across the board, and just start the heck over. We'd be firing again on all pistons inside of 12 months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Personally, I think we should throw all the bums out, on both sides, go to a flat fair tax across the board, and just start the heck over. We'd be firing again on all pistons inside of 12 months.
    This I won't touch. However.
    I insist on taking away the right for Lobbies to donate to campaigns. In fact no money should be allowed to be donated to campaigns ever, candidates should win on merits alone(yes this is an odd archaic idea I know.).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkims View Post
    I don't understand. I was being serious. He is a failure. I am leftist, as a leftist I find him to be a ******. He's made enemies on both sides, and that's not how you succeed at anything.
    How long has he been in office? Right.... and he is a failure?

    What part of "unprecedented" times did you miss. lol

    Country was falling into the toilet...

    Funny thing is that obama is pushing a heck of a lot of big stuff in a short period of time... which was his plan all along. Come in hard and fast... Then again, not hard to do since the opposition is in such disarray. All they know to do is send out crap.

    About the only thing we have to worry about is funding... if obama does a bush and decides to pass something like no child left behind (or was it no child gets funded?), hopefully it will be worth more than the paper the president signed. But I won't go there... I'll think out loud to myself.

    What ever happened to the gun freaks on this forum? Remember? Obama is going to take my GUNS.... Oh, obama is this... obama is that.... what does obama do? He goes sign a bill that allows gun totin' (legal of course) people to carry guns in parks (or national parks... whatever, going off the top of my head).

    Life is a funny thing... no thanks for that one... Republicans are ungrateful.

    If he had signed a law further banning guns within 1 mile of parks, we would have had 100 threads in 30 minutes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    How long has he been in office? Right.... and he is a failure?

    What part of "unprecedented" times did you miss. lol

    Country was falling into the toilet...

    Funny thing is that obama is pushing a heck of a lot of big stuff in a short period of time... which was his plan all along. Come in hard and fast... Then again, not hard to do since the opposition is in such disarray. All they know to do is send out crap.

    About the only thing we have to worry about is funding... if obama does a bush and decides to pass something like no child left behind (or was it no child gets funded?), hopefully it will be worth more than the paper the president signed. But I won't go there... I'll think out loud to myself.

    What ever happened to the gun freaks on this forum? Remember? Obama is going to take my GUNS.... Oh, obama is this... obama is that.... what does obama do? He goes sign a bill that allows gun totin' (legal of course) people to carry guns in parks (or national parks... whatever, going off the top of my head).

    Life is a funny thing... no thanks for that one... Republicans are ungrateful.

    If he had signed a law further banning guns within 1 mile of parks, we would have had 100 threads in 30 minutes...
    Okay....I'll thank him....but first, can you post a link to this new legislation? I did a search and couldn't find anything on it....not saying it isn't true....but just can't find anything on it. But if he did as you said...well...I'll say "thank you"! I should probably do a search for "gun Czar", as I'm sure there's one of those.

    What you listed as a positive is what some list as a negative. He's trying to do everything toooo fast and it appears as if he's trying to do things before anyone can know what he's doing. I know that doesn't scare you, but it worries those of us who didn't vote for him and are just a little suspicious of why he must move so fast. Let's see if what has been done so far will pull us out of this economic funk, and then, maybe Americans will be more open to other things....especially major legislation such as healthcare reform. Why the freakin' rush?
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    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    Okay....I'll thank him....but first, can you post a link to this new legislation? [...]
    It was a credit card bill that Coburn (R-OK) managed to sneak an amendment into. Govt: Guns barred from national parks until February - USATODAY.com
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