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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    How long has he been in office? Right.... and he is a failure?

    What part of "unprecedented" times did you miss. lol

    Country was falling into the toilet...
    here we go again... we need a savior! praise obama!
    Funny thing is that obama is pushing a heck of a lot of big stuff in a short period of time... which was his plan all along. Come in hard and fast... Then again, not hard to do since the opposition is in such disarray. All they know to do is send out crap.
    and here we go again part II... we're the enemy to be tackled? I thought we were Americans, all of us. What happened to the idea of "us" (you and me) attacking the "issues" (the economy and healthcare) and not each other? you seem bent on dividing.
    About the only thing we have to worry about is funding... if obama does a bush and decides to pass something like no child left behind (or was it no child gets funded?), hopefully it will be worth more than the paper the president signed. But I won't go there... I'll think out loud to myself.

    What ever happened to the gun freaks on this forum? Remember? Obama is going to take my GUNS.... Oh, obama is this... obama is that.... what does obama do? He goes sign a bill that allows gun totin' (legal of course) people to carry guns in parks (or national parks... whatever, going off the top of my head).

    Life is a funny thing... no thanks for that one... Republicans are ungrateful.
    huh? ungrateful? for what again? lol

    hrm... maybe we're not paying attention to that one, as much as the taking over of the banking industry, the automobile industry, and next on the agenda, the healthcare industry... and you're worrying about funding for elementary schools?
    If he had signed a law further banning guns within 1 mile of parks, we would have had 100 threads in 30 minutes...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    It was a credit card bill that Coburn (R-OK) managed to sneak an amendment into. Govt: Guns barred from national parks until February - USATODAY.com
    Coburn snuck it through? He made it sound like Obama was going to bat for us gun nuts!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Coburn snuck it through? He made it sound like Obama was going to bat for us gun nuts!
    From what I understand, it was originally a last minute rule that Bush pushed through in December of 08. Then Coburn managed to make it an amendment to a credit card bill in February. Since the President does not have a line-item veto, he had the choice to either sign it or veto the whole thing. So, no he didn't oppose it enough to veto the legislation it was piggy-backed upon, but he didn't exactly go to bat for it either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    From what I understand, it was originally a last minute rule that Bush pushed through in December of 08. Then Coburn managed to make it an amendment to a credit card bill in February. Since the President does not have a line-item veto, he had the choice to either sign it or veto the whole thing. So, no he didn't oppose it enough to veto the legislation it was piggy-backed upon, but he didn't exactly go to bat for it either.
    Well then I take back my "Thank You". I was misled by a liberal again. When will I learn....okay self....repeat after me...."don't trust liberals, don't trust liberals". Even when I think Obama may have done something good....it's proven wrong. No soup for you!
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    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    Well then I take back my "Thank You". I was misled by a liberal again. When will I learn....okay self....repeat after me...."don't trust liberals, don't trust liberals". Even when I think Obama may have done something good....it's proven wrong. No soup for you!
    Once again, Obama and his administration are "Centrist". Liberals barely fall to the left.
    Trust Progressives if you want truth be told jerk off answers.

    There is no reason to have a gun in a national park anyway. Do whatever you want with them somewhere not full of people. Just because we have the freedoms to do what we will, doesn't mean we have the freedom to impose that on others.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkims View Post
    There is no reason to have a gun in a national park anyway.
    Obviously, you've not been surprised by an angry bear recently....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Obviously, you've not been surprised by an angry bear recently....
    In that situation I hope you are an excellent shot, or you both will bleed out together. :P
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkims View Post
    There is no reason to have a gun in a national park anyway. Do whatever you want with them somewhere not full of people. Just because we have the freedoms to do what we will, doesn't mean we have the freedom to impose that on others.
    Well, I'm sure people can come up with a number of reasons they would want a to carry a gun in a national park. I doubt they are immune to crime.

    Somewhere not full of people? Like...a town or city where it is perfectly legal to carry a weapon (depending on where you are of course). I'm not understanding how a park is different.

    Lastly--what exactly is being imposed on others? To my knowledge no one is suggesting that anyone must carry a weapon are they?

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    Who runs the country? I picked this up in another forum on Presidential contributions. Does it look accurate?

    McCain

    Merrill Lynch $373,595
    Citigroup Inc $322,051
    Morgan Stanley $273,452
    Goldman Sachs $230,095
    JPMorgan Chase & Co $228,107
    US Government $208,379
    AT&T Inc $201,438
    Wachovia Corp $195,063
    UBS AG $192,493
    Credit Suisse Group $183,353
    PricewaterhouseCoopers $167,900
    US Army $167,820
    Bank of America $166,026
    Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $159,596
    Blank Rome LLP $154,226
    Greenberg Traurig LLP $146,437
    US Dept of Defense $144,105
    FedEx Corp $131,974
    Bear Stearns $117,498
    Lehman Brothers $114,357

    Obama

    University of California $1,591,395
    Goldman Sachs $994,795
    Harvard University $854,747
    Microsoft Corp $833,617
    Google Inc $803,436
    Citigroup Inc $701,290
    JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
    Time Warner $590,084
    Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
    Stanford University $586,557
    National Amusements Inc $551,683
    UBS AG $543,219
    Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
    Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
    IBM Corp $528,822
    Columbia University $528,302
    Morgan Stanley $514,881
    General Electric $499,130
    US Government $494,820
    Latham & Watkins $493,835

    I read this over here: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan - Page 66 - PC Perspective Forums
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAM1138 View Post
    Well, I'm sure people can come up with a number of reasons they would want a to carry a gun in a national park. I doubt they are immune to crime.

    Somewhere not full of people? Like...a town or city where it is perfectly legal to carry a weapon (depending on where you are of course). I'm not understanding how a park is different.

    Lastly--what exactly is being imposed on others? To my knowledge no one is suggesting that anyone must carry a weapon are they?

    KAM
    I didn't say we had to carry a gun, some people just don't like them being around. In fact it's only tolerated out of necessity for police officers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palandri View Post
    Who runs the country? I picked this up in another forum on Presidential contributions. Does it look accurate?

    McCain

    Merrill Lynch $373,595
    Citigroup Inc $322,051
    Morgan Stanley $273,452
    Goldman Sachs $230,095
    JPMorgan Chase & Co $228,107
    US Government $208,379
    AT&T Inc $201,438
    Wachovia Corp $195,063
    UBS AG $192,493
    Credit Suisse Group $183,353
    PricewaterhouseCoopers $167,900
    US Army $167,820
    Bank of America $166,026
    Gibson, Dunn & Crutcher $159,596
    Blank Rome LLP $154,226
    Greenberg Traurig LLP $146,437
    US Dept of Defense $144,105
    FedEx Corp $131,974
    Bear Stearns $117,498
    Lehman Brothers $114,357

    Obama

    University of California $1,591,395
    Goldman Sachs $994,795
    Harvard University $854,747
    Microsoft Corp $833,617
    Google Inc $803,436
    Citigroup Inc $701,290
    JPMorgan Chase & Co $695,132
    Time Warner $590,084
    Sidley Austin LLP $588,598
    Stanford University $586,557
    National Amusements Inc $551,683
    UBS AG $543,219
    Wilmerhale Llp $542,618
    Skadden, Arps et al $530,839
    IBM Corp $528,822
    Columbia University $528,302
    Morgan Stanley $514,881
    General Electric $499,130
    US Government $494,820
    Latham & Watkins $493,835

    I read this over here: Obama's "Public" Health Care Plan - Page 66 - PC Perspective Forums

    That just brings me back to my point about how we shouldn't allow donations to campaigns. The only way to get elected is to get a ton of those corporate donations at this point.
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    I read somewhere that there are now over 32 czars. Who's tracking these people? Why isn't this story all over the media? Is it just me, or does this seem just a bit dangerous?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    I read somewhere that there are now over 32 czars. Who's tracking these people? Why isn't this story all over the media? Is it just me, or does this seem just a bit dangerous?
    Another thread...but....Glenn Beck discusses it and now he is getting boycotted, LOL.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkims View Post
    I didn't say we had to carry a gun, some people just don't like them being around. In fact it's only tolerated out of necessity for police officers.
    My question is if you aren't being forced to carry a gun, how is anything being imposed on you? Being near something isn't an imposition on your rights if it isn't actively doing something to harm you. Being near a gun isn't harming you. Further, while some places have open carry, I believe it is rather rare, so I'm not sure why you'd even be aware of someone carrying a firearm concealed.

    If you fear legal ownership and carrying of firearms--well, that's up to you, but your discomfort isn't justification to deny someone else's rights. We don't have a right deny other people's rights because of our feelings and opinions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    Another thread...but....Glenn Beck discusses it and now he is getting boycotted, LOL.
    And no wonder. I'd say he's a target now, big time. They'll do anything shut him up, apparently.
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    The czar concept is an open attempt to place power squarely in one area without any control exercised by the other 2 branches of government. Obama is telling everyone that he and only he has real power and only he can has the ability to do what needs to be done. Damn the legislative branch. Damn the judicial branch. With him running the show and the media ignoring what he is doing, the power of the Progressive movement is making itself felt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    Another thread...but....Glenn Beck discusses it and now he is getting boycotted, LOL.
    Glenn Beck was shut down for saying extremely racially charged things. Things that other Fox news employees felt was extremely off the wall. Corporations, evil or not, can not be seen associating with a racist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KAM1138 View Post
    My question is if you aren't being forced to carry a gun, how is anything being imposed on you? Being near something isn't an imposition on your rights if it isn't actively doing something to harm you. Being near a gun isn't harming you. Further, while some places have open carry, I believe it is rather rare, so I'm not sure why you'd even be aware of someone carrying a firearm concealed.

    If you fear legal ownership and carrying of firearms--well, that's up to you, but your discomfort isn't justification to deny someone else's rights. We don't have a right deny other people's rights because of our feelings and opinions.

    KAM
    I am not trying to take rights away from anyone. I am just saying. As uncomfortable as socialism makes a right winger feel, fire arms can do that to people too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sharkims View Post
    Glenn Beck was shut down for saying extremely racially charged things. Things that other Fox news employees felt was extremely off the wall. Corporations, evil or not, can not be seen associating with a racist.
    What were these extremely racially charged things, Sharkims?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    The czar concept is an open attempt to place power squarely in one area without any control exercised by the other 2 branches of government. Obama is telling everyone that he and only he has real power and only he can has the ability to do what needs to be done. Damn the legislative branch. Damn the judicial branch. With him running the show and the media ignoring what he is doing, the power of the Progressive movement is making itself felt.
    Obama is not a Progressive. In fact he was paid more by health care companies for his campaign that McCain was. He is just an amazing speaker, and a centrist with no balls.

    Progressives want change, and would have done so by now. Obama HAS the votes in all three branches, he is just more concerned with making everyone work together like we are in the play pen.
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