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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    So you deny that Obama has stated repeatedly that a single payer system is his goal?
    I addressed that previously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    I addressed that previously.
    Was that a yes, or a no?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    I'm just tired of the same old casting conservatives as fascists, is all. It's incorrect. It grew into being from leftist ideals. You're the one keeping score, not me.
    So why is your labor worth $10-$15 an hour or higher? When a person from Bangladesh makes on average 23 cents an hour? Forbes even says:

    "Nature of outsourcing: significant college graduate pool, beginning IT services"

    Are you just smarter than the people from Bangladesh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by palandri View Post
    Are you just smarter than the people from Bangladesh?
    Yes, and better looking too!
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    I'm sorry, palandri... you've lost me on this whole caste system track you seem to be on. Please be kind to an old feeble mind and help me to understand your point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    I'm sorry, palandri... you've lost me on this whole caste system track you seem to be on. Please be kind to an old feeble mind and help me to understand your point.
    LOL! That's another thread for another day Let's keep this on healthcare.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palandri View Post
    So Conservatives have the right to call Liberals, Marxist, Socialist, Communist...etc... but Liberals don't have the right to call Conservatives Fascist.

    If a Liberal says the workers of Madagascar are exploited by apparel manufacturers who pay them 18 cents an hour, were suddenly a Marxist. No caste system there, it's western styled democracy at it's best.
    You bet I have the right to label liberals as socialists and anything else I want to call them. You don't have to agree with me, you have that right. And you have the right to say conservatives are fascists, but based on the definition of what a fascist is, I don't think it makes sense....but you certainly have the right to call me that if it makes you feel better. Isn't it great that we can live in a country and disagree with each other without being reported to the government....oh wait....oh oh....forgot....that's what Obama wants you to do.....well.....other than that, we basically can say what we want!

    And I agree with Micael....you lost me on the whole caste system thing and the 18 cents an hour deal. I think it sucks that they get paid so little, but short of analyzing every purchase I make and determining how much the employees who put the product together made, I don't know if I can do much about it.
  8. #1048  
    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    I'm just tired of the same old casting conservatives as fascists, is all. It's incorrect. It grew into being from leftist ideals. You're the one keeping score, not me.
    Very true. Calling conservatives "fascists" simply shows that liberals don't truly understand the word. Let's examine Webster's definition:

    a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition
    This definition applies more to the Left in America today than the right.

    ...exalts nation and often race above the individual
    Currently, people are being told they have to "sacrifice" and transfer their wealth to those who didn't earn it. People are placed into voting groups (women, elderly, Hispanic, African-American, etc..) and defined as such and promised taxpayer funded efforts (taken from the evil rich) to pander to each group.

    stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader
    The federal government has assumed far more powers than intended by the Constitution. The 10th Amendment has been largely ignored. Barney Frank dictates lending rules to banks and mortgage companies, the current administration took over 2 automobile manufacturers and fired a CEO, and now they want to control health care. Oh, and let's not forget Maxine Waters (D) saying that she'd like to take over oil companies, as well.

    severe economic and social regimentation
    The current administration wants to control salaries for the CEOs of private companies. Once the precedent has been established, such actions are likely to spread. And the class warfare rhetoric ("returning wealth to it's rightful owners") is simply the administration attempting to define the social and economic structure of America.

    Just count how many times leftists in Congress talk about limiting corporate profits and demonize businesses that make "too much" money. Such controls are fascists in nature...plain and simple.

    Honestly, the political Right just doesn't come close to fascist ideals. Decentralized federal government, letting business run business, lower taxes, people identifying themselves by ideology rather than the color of their skin or their heritage...that's typical of Conservatism.

    If people want to throw labels around, that can be hard to stop. But if you must, let's make sure we've properly defined and applied the term.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Was that a yes, or a no?
    It was a "read my prior post".
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    Quote Originally Posted by semprini View Post
    Very true. Calling conservatives "fascists" simply shows that liberals don't truly understand the word. Let's examine Webster's definition....
    Awesome post, semprini. I was speaking about the genesis of the term in historical context, and now you've done an excellent job correlating the word's definition to the current changes in our government. People really need to wake up. Our country's very foundation is being modified right under our noses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    It was a "read my prior post".
    No, thats just a dodge cause you can't answer it directly. You lose. Thanks for playing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    No, thats just a dodge cause you can't answer it directly. You lose. Thanks for playing.
    If people don't read my post the first time, I don't owe them the effort to search it for them....they can do so themselves if they're interested.

    If you think I'm dodging, you can look it up as well. Nice try making it personal, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    If people don't read my post the first time, I don't owe them the effort to search it for them....they can do so themselves if they're interested.

    And personal attacks aren't really warranted, are they?
    Lol. Which personal attacks? Yours on me?

    I asked you a very simple yes or no question, Bujin. Your response gave me the answer I expected. We both know that Obama's goal is single payer goverment controlled healthcare. Your weak "I've addressed that previously" does not change the fact that you were wrong.

    Again, thanks for playing
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Lol. Which personal attacks? Yours on me?

    I asked you a very simple yes or no question, Bujin. Your response gave me the answer I expected. We both know that Obama's goal is single payer goverment controlled healthcare. Your weak "I've addressed that previously" does not change the fact that you were wrong.

    Again, thanks for playing
    You've now spent officially more time on bickering with me than on checking what I said on the subject. That means that you are more interesting in the bickering than the topic itself..which I don't find surprising at all. And the repeated "thanks for playing" really supports your disinterest in intelligent dialogue.

    So you can consider me wrong on a topic without taking the effort to learn my actual stance on it. Or you can look back one page to get the answer to your question. Your opinion about me is really not an issue with me, so I'm okay with either choice.

    Maybe you should explore why you're so cranky about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    You've now spent officially more time on bickering with me than on checking what I said on the subject. That means that you are more interesting in the bickering than the topic itself..which I don't find surprising at all. And the repeated "thanks for playing" really supports your disinterest in intelligent dialogue.

    So you can consider me wrong on a topic without taking the effort to learn my actual stance on it. Or you can look back one page to get the answer to your question. Your opinion about me is really not an issue with me, so I'm okay with either choice.

    Maybe you should explore why you're so cranky about it.
    On the one side, you could have simply answered a direct question with a simple yes or no.

    But your friendly and helpful response is to send me searching through 50+ pages of posts trying to find the one post where you supposedly have commented on the topic.

    I think we all understand why.
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    Bujin is such a friendly guy!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Awesome post, semprini. I was speaking about the genesis of the term in historical context, and now you've done an excellent job correlating the word's definition to the current changes in our government. People really need to wake up. Our country's very foundation is being modified right under our noses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post

    But your friendly and helpful response is to send me searching through 50+ pages of posts trying to find the one post where you supposedly have commented on the topic.

    I think we all understand why.
    Actually, I did specify that it was one page back. I can hardly be blamed for that. Certainly one page isn't asking too much, especially since your responses clearly indicate that you didn't actually search.
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    Quote Originally Posted by clemgrad85 View Post
    Bujin is such a friendly guy!
    I am indeed, thanks. Was there any point to that post, or was it designed solely to antagonize? I believe there are forum rules about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    I am indeed, thanks. Was there any point to that post, or was it designed solely to antagonize? I believe there are forum rules about that.
    All of you are having a go at each other now...

    Makes for funny reading on my part.

    There are rules against it... but when everyone does it, I'd guess the thread gets locked. lol
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