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    Quote Originally Posted by palandri View Post
    Are they worse than the Military junta in Burma?

    If it's as bad as we are seeing in our media, the first thing that will happen is a peoples Muhajeen (militia) will form and a civil war will break out.
    It's called a revolution, and they need help. Thank god for the French, cause otherwise we'd still be paying taxes to the Monarchy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    It's called a revolution, and they need help. Thank god for the French, cause otherwise we'd still be paying taxes to the Monarchy.
    A true revolution of the people needs no help from the outside.

    The French?, The French?, The French? The rude and arrogant French? I wouldn't eat a french fry if you paid me!

    LOL! I am half French and half Italian Most people think I am Italian from my last name, but my mother was French. When France wouldn't help Bush be part of the "coalition of the willing" in Iraq. I heard all the French joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    I'm curious to know what you and the OP believe you're romanticizing regarding the events going on in Iran currently?

    How was I "romanticizing" the events in Iran?
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    Quote Originally Posted by palandri View Post
    A true revolution of the people needs no help from the outside.
    I'm trying to figure out if this is the most ignorant or the most naive statement I've ever heard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    I'm trying to figure out if this is the most ignorant or the most naive statement I've ever heard.
    I'd have to agree, here...

    A true revolution generally needs all the help it can get because those in power have, well, the POWER, which means there are weapons and other things that can be used against the masses...
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    Quote Originally Posted by gksmithlcw View Post
    I'd have to agree, here...

    A true revolution generally needs all the help it can get because those in power have, well, the POWER, which means there are weapons and other things that can be used against the masses...
    Maybe there is a misunderstanding on the terminology of "outside"? Who did Gandhi need from the outside? Who did Martin Luther King need from the outside? Who did the Iranian people need from the outside to over throw the Shah?
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    Quote Originally Posted by palandri View Post
    It's a pretty bizarre relationship we have with Iran. They have a real hatred towards us. I know I've read a couple of times that their evening pray ends with down with US or something like that.
    If they really had hatred, Iran would be one country to be justified in being so after all the meddling USA/CIA did in its past 50 years of history. Iran has been constantly attacked by outside powers through out its history.

    However from everything I heard and experience talking with ordinary Iranians, there is no hatred towards USA. The media in USA makes a mountain out of molehill with the everyday slogans used by Iranians. "Death to traffic" like comments are as common as "Death to USA" and recently "Death to Khamenei" or "Death to Supreme Leader" have been commonly heard. It is same as "damn traffic" or "f**ng traffic" like expression someone would use in USA.

    There is difference between the mullahs who rule Iran and the everyday Iranian. Everyday Iranian aspires for the same thing that anyone else in the world does. USA being world power and present everywhere will naturally bring hostility towards its policies from different parts. It is no different from hostility towards USA policies during Bush regime in Europe including UK, the closest ally. As with everything big and powerful, people admire many things about USA just as they despise other things that USA represents. No need to be too sensitive about it.

    A common Iranian on the street probably wants more friendly relations with USA. They want to travel here, study here, etc. Remember the Persians are not Arabs. Even with theocratic mullahs running Iran, it has far less rigid rules and governing structure than likes of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and others.

    Think about it after dropping atomic bombs on Japan, Bombing hell out of Laos/Cambodia during Vietnam war, propping up dictatorial Shah in Iran, and other such examples around the world, there is still a great deal of good will towards USA in such places and people have moved on. It is USA which continues to be traumatized by events like hostage taking 30 years back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Presprit View Post
    If they really had hatred, Iran would be one country to be justified in being so after all the meddling USA/CIA did in its past 50 years of history. Iran has been constantly attacked by outside powers through out its history.

    However from everything I heard and experience talking with ordinary Iranians, there is no hatred towards USA. The media in USA makes a mountain out of molehill with the everyday slogans used by Iranians. "Death to traffic" like comments are as common as "Death to USA" and recently "Death to Khamenei" or "Death to Supreme Leader" have been commonly heard. It is same as "damn traffic" or "f**ng traffic" like expression someone would use in USA.

    There is difference between the mullahs who rule Iran and the everyday Iranian. Everyday Iranian aspires for the same thing that anyone else in the world does. USA being world power and present everywhere will naturally bring hostility towards its policies from different parts. It is no different from hostility towards USA policies during Bush regime in Europe including UK, the closest ally. As with everything big and powerful, people admire many things about USA just as they despise other things that USA represents. No need to be too sensitive about it.

    A common Iranian on the street probably wants more friendly relations with USA. They want to travel here, study here, etc. Remember the Persians are not Arabs. Even with theocratic mullahs running Iran, it has far less rigid rules and governing structure than likes of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and others.

    Think about it after dropping atomic bombs on Japan, Bombing hell out of Laos/Cambodia during Vietnam war, propping up dictatorial Shah in Iran, and other such examples around the world, there is still a great deal of good will towards USA in such places and people have moved on. It is USA which continues to be traumatized by events like hostage taking 30 years back.
    Excellent post! We'll have to see how this all plays out in the end.
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    Maybe there is a misunderstanding on the terminology of "outside"? Who did Gandhi need from the outside? Who did Martin Luther King need from the outside? Who did the Iranian people need from the outside to over throw the Shah?
    Umm, in spite of their obvious faults, I'm not sure the Brits or the US are comparable to the current regime in Iran, as far as how they respond and treat protesters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Presprit View Post
    If they really had hatred, Iran would be one country to be justified in being so after all the meddling USA/CIA did in its past 50 years of history. Iran has been constantly attacked by outside powers through out its history.

    However from everything I heard and experience talking with ordinary Iranians, there is no hatred towards USA.
    Gasp! I'm sure you were confused and devastated by that news flash.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palandri View Post
    Maybe there is a misunderstanding on the terminology of "outside"? Who did Gandhi need from the outside? Who did Martin Luther King need from the outside? Who did the Iranian people need from the outside to over throw the Shah?
    Actually, Gandhi did have help from the "outside". It was called World War II. Both Germany and Japan supported the Free India Legion and the India National Army. These groups, while not having an enormous effect militarily, did much to encourage the mutiny in the Royal Indian Navy and to break morale in the Indian armed forces in general. The Quit India movement and other independence movements also came along just as Britain was weakened by war which greatly increased their efficacy.

    MLK, Jr. also had help, albeit indirectly (or, more directly depending on which conspiracy theory you hold to), from the worldwide Communist movement's support of various Black nationalist groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    ...MLK, Jr. also had help, albeit indirectly (or, more directly depending on which conspiracy theory you hold to), from the worldwide Communist movement's support of various Black nationalist groups.
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    Well, so much for the Revolution. It looks like things are dwindling down and the region is losing a big opportunity for increased stability.

    And we sat...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    If Obama decided to send in troops right now to assist the overthrow of this regime, I'd support him. Fat chance that happening. He's too worried he won't have a chance to sit down with these murderers and appease them. I'm starting to wonder if he's a wimp.
    Talk like that is what (got us in/helped us into) the mess we are currently facing. Guess you have forgotten about the other two wars we are fighting. I think it is okay to speak ill of obama. I'm glad for the opposition, but when comments such as this are made, it questions how far people are thinking of what they are saying.

    But I'm sure the Russians should have invaded when Gore won the popular vote.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palandri View Post
    Maybe there is a misunderstanding on the terminology of "outside"? Who did Gandhi need from the outside? Who did Martin Luther King need from the outside? Who did the Iranian people need from the outside to over throw the Shah?
    Perhaps you are misunderstanding the terminology of 'help'. There are many ways that those 'outside' can provide 'help'. Sometimes it can purely be through presence or influence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    But I'm sure the Russians should have invaded when Gore won the popular vote.
    I'm sure there would have been an international outcry IF winning the popular vote mattered constitutionally and IF the government was killing protesters in the street and IF we were threatening out neighbors with nuclear annihilation every other week.

    But we digress...
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    I'm glad for the opposition, but when comments such as this are made, it questions how far people are thinking of what they are saying.
    Were you listening when people spoke out about Bush? Give me a break. I don't know about another war, but I guess I wanted to express my frustration that this President is doing "nothing" apparently.
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    if you want a funny inside in the Iranian psyche google on Omid Djalili (or look on youtube)
    He's an Iranian comic who now lives was born in the UK, very funny
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