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    I would like to share this article from a Canadian paper...
    (I hope nobody objects to the length, but I feel it's certainly worth reading during this trying time.)

    TRIBUTE TO THE UNITED STATES
    This, from a Canadian newspaper, is worth sharing.
    America: The Good Neighbor.
    Widespread but only partial news coverage was given
    recently to a remarkable editorial broadcast from
    Toronto by Gordon Sinclair, a Canadian television
    commentator. What follows is the full text of his
    trenchant remarks as printed in the Congressional
    Record:
    "This Canadian thinks it is time to speak up for the
    Americans as the most generous and possibly the least
    appreciated people on all the earth.
    Germany, Japan and, to a lesser extent, Britain and
    Italy were lifted out of the debris of war by the
    Americans who poured in billions of dollars and
    forgave other billions in debts. None of these
    countries is today paying even the interest on its
    remaining debts to the United States.
    When France was in danger of collapsing in 1956,
    it was the Americans who propped it up, and their
    reward was to be insulted and swindled on the streets
    of Paris. I was there. I saw it.
    When earthquakes hit distant cities, it is the
    United States that hurries in to help. This spring, 59
    American communities were flattened by tornadoes.
    Nobody helped.
    The Marshall Plan and the Truman Policy pumped
    billions of dollars into discouraged countries. Now
    newspapers in those countries are writing about the
    decadent, warmongering Americans.
    I'd like to see just one of those countries that
    is gloating over the erosion of the United States
    dollar build its own airplane. Does any other country
    in the world have a plane to equal the Boeing Jumbo
    Jet, the Lockheed Tri-Star, or the Douglas DC10?
    If so, why don't they fly them? Why do all the
    International lines except Russia fly American Planes?
    Why does no other land on earth even consider putting
    a man or woman on the moon? You talk about Japanese
    technocracy, and you get radios. You talk about German
    technocracy, and you get automobiles.
    You talk about American technocracy, and you find
    men on the moon - not once, but several times -
    and safely home again.
    You talk about scandals, and the Americans put theirs
    right in the store window for everybody to look at .
    Even their draft-dodgers are not pursued and hounded.
    They are here on our streets, and most of them, unless
    they are breaking Canadian laws, are getting American
    dollars from ma and pa at home to spend here.
    When the railways of France, Germany and India
    were breaking down through age, it was the Americans
    who rebuilt them. When the Pennsylvania Railroad and
    the New York Central went broke, nobody loaned them an
    old caboose. Both are still broke.
    I can name you 5000 times when the Americans raced
    to the help of other people in trouble. Can you name
    me even one time when someone else raced to the
    Americans in trouble? I don't think there was outside
    help even during the San Francisco earthquake.
    Our neighbors have faced it alone, and I'm one
    Canadian who is damned tired of hearing them get
    kicked around. They will come out of this thing with
    their flag high. And when they do, they are entitled
    to thumb their nose at the lands that are gloating
    over their present troubles. I hope Canada is not one of
    those."
    Stand proud, America! Wear it proudly!!
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    I got a couple of copies of that in my inbox. He wrote that in 1973 and died in 1984. I only mention this because the above post and the emails I received all called it recent.
    Mike
    I'd rather be upside down in my kayak than rightside up at my desk.
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    Originally posted by Jupe
    I got a couple of copies of that in my inbox. He wrote that in 1973 and died in 1984. I only mention this because the above post and the emails I received all called it recent.
    Yes, I saw that information previously, but still applaud the content of the original message. (As I know we all do)
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    My teacher read us that article in school today. Well written. As an American, I appraciate it. I don't think he was talking to me, but. . .
    -Bernie

    "One word sums up probably the responsibility of any vice president, and that one word is 'to be prepared'.
    -Dan Quayle
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    Inputting a little more accuracy here, to read or listen to the un-edited copy of Sinclair's commentary, go here:

    http://www.rcc.ryerson.ca/schools/rt...e/am_text.html (and back up a page to http://www.rcc.ryerson.ca/schools/rt.../american.html for some historical background)

    If anything, please circulate the full copy.
    Last edited by ProjectZero; 09/13/2001 at 05:50 PM.
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    Originally posted by Jupe
    He wrote that in 1973 and died in 1984.
    that accounts for the lack of any mention of computers or the space shuttle.
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    Originally posted by K. Cannon

    Yes, I saw that information previously, but still applaud the content of the original message. (As I know we all do)
    As a non-american I can assure you not all like this message.
    The eurpeans are portait (how do you spell that?) as thankless bastards, which they are not...

    This is not the best way to get support from your allies...
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  8. #8  
    Originally posted by ToolkiT
    This is not the best way to get support from your allies...
    We didn't write it.

    We haven't asked for support.
    -Joshua
    I've decided to become enigmatic.
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    Originally posted by ****-richardson

    We didn't write it.
    No an Canadian did, but americans keep posting it... I've seen this thing is several places allready...

    Originally posted by ****-richardson

    We haven't asked for support.
    mmm are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure washinton is checking on who's on their side in order to determine how far they can go in retaliation...

    There is lots of talk in NATO countries about how far they go in supporting the US on this one...

    That makes me very afraid... this thing can turn very ugly (even uglier than it allready is...)
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    Originally posted by ToolkiT
    mmm are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure washinton is checking on who's on their side in order to determine how far they can go in retaliation...
    From what I understand, all of the statements of solidarity have been unsolicited.

    The U.S. often has the largest presence in U.N. peacekeeping operations and even I, as a citizen of the United States, have thought of my country as playing a bully in these operations. I was rather peeved when I learned we hadn't paid our UN dues in a while. Still, the United States has used its resources to help other nations and to the best of my knowledge is a reactionary country -- in general, we don't start fights, though we tend to finish them.

    It's good to know that other nations' governments share the outrage felt here. Maybe this can be used for good to break the back of terrorism that has plagued the world for at least 30 years.

    Being objective about the passage which started this thread, it was written in 1973, the world was much different then, and it's just one man's opinion. Let's hope it doesn't become a rallying cry.

    ps to ToolkiT - I think the word you want is "portrayed"
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    Originally posted by ToolkiT
    No an Canadian did, but americans keep posting it... I've seen this thing is several places allready...
    It's flattering. I appreciate it. It hasn't changed us (or US, as the case may be).

    mmm are you sure about that?
    Absolutely.

    I'm pretty sure washinton is checking on who's on their side in order to determine how far they can go in retaliation...
    Which would hardly be considered begging for aide, don't you think?

    There is lots of talk in NATO countries about how far they go in supporting the US on this one...
    As well there should be. Would you rather we just nuke suspected countries wantonly? I can think of a couple of nations that might, given the opportunity.

    That makes me very afraid... this thing can turn very ugly (even uglier than it allready is...)
    I think you're being paranoid. The discussions will tend toward moderation with time. I'm willing to bet (and, indeed, may be betting already) that the nukes stay safely locked in their bunkers.
    -Joshua
    I've decided to become enigmatic.
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    I got another mail in my inbox that Nostradamus predicted that the bombing was going to happen. Anyone else saw this chain message and what are your thoughts?
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    I think we'd like the support of other nations. I think we deserve the support of other nations (assuming we don't do anything too extreme, which I'm sure we won't).

    But we don't need the support of other nations. The U.S. will in the end deal with those who have killed thousands of its innocent civilians in the manner it best sees fit. The U.N. Charter, and international law going back to its inception, gives a State the right to defend itself and its citizens, and to take reprisals against those who attack it.

    And we will.
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    Originally posted by yardie
    Anyone else saw this chain message and what are your thoughts?
    Didn't see the email (I've managed to minimize spam) but I did a little looking and here's some info (about 2/3 down, after all the links):
    http://www.usatoday.com/life/2001-09-13-ebay-ban.htm
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    Originally posted by yardie
    I got another mail in my inbox that Nostradamus predicted that the bombing was going to happen. Anyone else saw this chain message and what are your thoughts?
    It is a hoax Nostradamus died in 155x while the email said 16xx (forgot details)
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    Originally posted by VTL
    I think we'd like the support of other nations. I think we deserve the support of other nations (assuming we don't do anything too extreme, which I'm sure we won't).

    But we don't need the support of other nations. The U.S. will in the end deal with those who have killed thousands of its innocent civilians in the manner it best sees fit. The U.N. Charter, and international law going back to its inception, gives a State the right to defend itself and its citizens, and to take reprisals against those who attack it.

    And we will.
    I agree the US deserves the support...

    You don't need it unless all the arab/muslim countries ally against the US....not likely but could happen...
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    Originally posted by ****-richardson
    [B]
    It's flattering. I appreciate it. It hasn't changed us (or US, as the case may be).
    ? what do you mean?

    Originally posted by ****-richardson
    [B]Absolutely.
    I'm not, but I agree that most countries probably 'volunteered' since this action was maddnes...


    Originally posted by ****-richardson
    [B]Which would hardly be considered begging for aide, don't you think?
    I would not call lobying the same as begging... I never said the US begged for help..

    Originally posted by ****-richardson
    [B]As well there should be. Would you rather we just nuke suspected countries wantonly? I can think of a couple of nations that might, given the opportunity.]
    This is my biggest fear... that one country starts doing something silly...


    Originally posted by ****-richardson
    I think you're being paranoid. The discussions will tend toward moderation with time. I'm willing to bet (and, indeed, may be betting already) that the nukes stay safely locked in their bunkers.
    Paranoia has kept me alive the last 28 years...
    I agree it might be a bit of worst case scenario, but with Bush in power I'm not sure what can happen...
    The man allready killed enough of his own people (texas executions) who knows what he'll do against a foreign power...
    But it is a bit paranoid I agree... let us all hope that it will not get that far...
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    Originally posted by ToolkiT

    Paranoia has kept me alive the last 28 years...
    I agree it might be a bit of worst case scenario, but with Bush in power I'm not sure what can happen...
    The man allready killed enough of his own people (texas executions) who knows what he'll do against a foreign power...
    But it is a bit paranoid I agree... let us all hope that it will not get that far...
    I have the greatest respect for those from other nations, but I think you have a skewed opinion of why our nation will respond with violence. No offense, but it seems you're depicting President Bush as some sort of warmonger. Truth be told, the current situation is his test as to how "trigger happy" he is. So far, he's shown more temperment than I probably would have had. Yes, we have executions in the United States, and I've traveled around the world enough to know that many countries have certain impressions of our leaders. Yes, I have my own criticisms of some of his actions, but I certainly don't believe he's evil. Despite the mistakes of our leaders or as a people, for the most part we try to do the right thing. We Americans have prided ourselves on our tolerance and acceptance, and unfortunately, we've been taken advantage of. I know I'm not the only one to feel anger, though not necessarily at a particular country or people, but the desire to see justice is overwhelming. Putting the finger on those to blame is difficult, but when the time comes, I personally hope that we can wipe up the remains with a mop. Perhaps you think this is the violent opinion of your everyday white, Anglo-Saxon American, but as an immigrant in a family of Asian immigrants, I've always felt pride as an American for what it stands for and who I count as my fellow citizens. I also serve in my country's military, and despite any stereotypes, we're usually the last people who want war -- but we're the first ones ready, and for this, I'm glad to be ready for the call. No, we Americans are not all violent-minded. However, when innocents are so heinously attacked, we must respond.

    Finally, prayers and hopes go to family and friends of those in the WTC, Pentagon, and passengers on the flights. I just wish the blood of the rest of your countrymen could replace the lives of the ones you lost.

    "Revenge is an act of passion; vengeance of justice. Injuries are revenged; crimes are avenged."
    óJoseph Joubert
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    You are right BadMOjo (BTW Your posts are a pleasure to read!)..But..No one is saying that the American government is evil. I strongly believe that America is trying to do good with their actions and policies. However, America needs to realuize that what is good for America is not necessarily a good thing for Uganda and China. They also should make every effort not to look like a bully. America was targetted by these terrorists not because of their leadership position in the world..particularly the west, but because they are seen or perceived as a big bully that wants to dominate and change the world.


    Originally posted by badmojo97


    I have the greatest respect for those from other nations, but I think you have a skewed opinion of why our nation will respond with violence. No offense, but it seems you're depicting President Bush as some sort of warmonger. Truth be told, the current situation is his test as to how "trigger happy" he is. So far, he's shown more temperment than I probably would have had. Yes, we have executions in the United States, and I've traveled around the world enough to know that many countries have certain impressions of our leaders. Yes, I have my own criticisms of some of his actions, but I certainly don't believe he's evil. Despite the mistakes of our leaders or as a people, for the most part we try to do the right thing. We Americans have prided ourselves on our tolerance and acceptance, and unfortunately, we've been taken advantage of. I know I'm not the only one to feel anger, though not necessarily at a particular country or people, but the desire to see justice is overwhelming. Putting the finger on those to blame is difficult, but when the time comes, I personally hope that we can wipe up the remains with a mop. Perhaps you think this is the violent opinion of your everyday white, Anglo-Saxon American, but as an immigrant in a family of Asian immigrants, I've always felt pride as an American for what it stands for and who I count as my fellow citizens. I also serve in my country's military, and despite any stereotypes, we're usually the last people who want war -- but we're the first ones ready, and for this, I'm glad to be ready for the call. No, we Americans are not all violent-minded. However, when innocents are so heinously attacked, we must respond.

    Finally, prayers and hopes go to family and friends of those in the WTC, Pentagon, and passengers on the flights. I just wish the blood of the rest of your countrymen could replace the lives of the ones you lost.

    "Revenge is an act of passion; vengeance of justice. Injuries are revenged; crimes are avenged."
    óJoseph Joubert
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    Originally posted by ToolkiT
    As a non-american I can assure you not all like this message.
    The eurpeans are portait (how do you spell that?) as thankless bastards, which they are not...This is not the best way to get support from your allies...
    I just now saw your response to mine and I will admit that I typed that out without thinking of the European response to the contents. For my lack of consideration of non-Americans on this board, whose posts of sympathy and even normal-pre-9/11/01 posts I very much appreciate, I truly apologize.

    I think part of the reason that you keep seeing that 1973 broadcast posted by Americans is that, even though we are feeling disbelief and anger, we are also hurt that murderers would come into our country, get trained by us to fly, and use our own planes (and more heinously) our people as bombs against us. In other words, we are outraged and, frankly, hurt that the system of freedom and democracy that these people are so against (for whatever reason religious, perception of arrogance, jealousy, tradition) is the very system that allowed them to do this to us. The democracy that allows us to (in their eyes) be so decadent, immoral, wasteful, is the same system that would have allowed for tolerance of their religious views had they want to live here.

    The message by Mr. Sinclair, while admittedly (now that you point it out) not complimentary to many European nations, is being passed about over here because of the surge in national pride, concern, caring, and pissed-offed-ness at the moxy of those bastards. Really, again, the message was unsolicited by the U.S. and is indeed rather dated. PLEASE watch again the footage of the planes as they crash into the buildings and the bodies of the people as they fall to their deaths. I can no longer watch the countless stories of friends/relatives standing with pictures on the streets of NYC because I am absolutely helpless to ease their suffering.

    I can, however, donate blood, give money, fly my flag, wear patriotic colors, PRAY, and, without a doubt, support the efforts of my President and my Congress to eradicate this type of inhuman, animalistic behavior all over the globe, and thank God for the assistance and support of everyone in the world, American, European, Canadian, Asian, Russian, anyone-anywhere who is also giving blood, donating money, praying and empathizing with us and the citizens of other countries who were killed.

    So, please forgive my unthinking response and (maybe) understand where we are coming from. For the currrent and future support of our allies and for the work of all service men, firefighters and rescue workers, I, for one, am truely grateful.

    Kelley
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