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  1. #141  
    Quote Originally Posted by cscoot03 View Post
    Then you think Obama can bring it back to a correct economy?
    I have no idea. I'm cautiously optimistic, but it's more than just the president. Congress has to work together on the solution, and I don't see that happening any time soon.
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  2. #142  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    Then who should?
    The president has very little to do with the economy and how well it does. Bill Gates (and the lead up to Y2K) had far more to do with the economic boom of the 90s than Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan.
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  3. #143  
    I disagree on this item. The president sets the tone, the pace, the emotional aspect of it. When he speaks in terms of fear, then that's the reaction given. When he speaks in terms of confidence and supporting America and its industries, then the reaction is much the same. With Obama everything is critical, gotta be done, fear is his strategy and the economy IS NOT benefiting.
  4. #144  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    I disagree on this item. The president sets the tone, the pace, the emotional aspect of it. When he speaks in terms of fear, then that's the reaction given. When he speaks in terms of confidence and supporting America and its industries, then the reaction is much the same. With Obama everything is critical, gotta be done, fear is his strategy and the economy IS NOT benefiting.
    And bush wasnt fearmongering you imply?

    From why I see Obama had a message of hope (yes we can, etc) not sure of how much that is still carrying, but my (remote) impression that Obama would create far more hope in general than Bush did in the last 8 years..
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  5. #145  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    I disagree on this item. The president sets the tone, the pace, the emotional aspect of it. When he speaks in terms of fear, then that's the reaction given. When he speaks in terms of confidence and supporting America and its industries, then the reaction is much the same. With Obama everything is critical, gotta be done, fear is his strategy and the economy IS NOT benefiting.
    Wow ... just wow.... so the economy was just humming along when he took office? Things were just hunky-dory?

    Only Roosevelt was handed a bigger pile of a doo-doo economy and you think Obama can turn it around in the space of 6 months or less?

    Dealing with health care is CRITICAL, previous administrations from both parties have given a half-hearted effort in health care reform. Same with DEPENDENCE on foreign oil. "Let the next president deal with it." ... would you call that courage? a lack of fear?

    Your partisan slip is showing.......
  6. #146  
    We are reading more than I said into the statement. If one looks back in history (YouTube for bunches of people), do we not see the videos/speeches/whatever of Bush and others talking about the housing market? Did we not hear Barney and company stating the housing market was just fine?

    The degree of critical with the health care issue between the 2 parties is very different. Obama: there can be doubt.

    Roosevelt was a progressive and Obama's economy - bubba take a look at the Carter years and try it again.

    As for Obama - his creation of hope is based entirely on fear and where has it gotten us? Has anything improved? Nope. Has anything gotten worse? Yes. And who is to blame? The programs are his; the money spent without backing is his; the positions he has and has changed and changed again upon are his. Obama lives with the poll and the media. The media says it is getting better and the data does not support it.
  7. #147  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    We are reading more than I said into the statement. If one looks back in history (YouTube for bunches of people), do we not see the videos/speeches/whatever of Bush and others talking about the housing market? Did we not hear Barney and company stating the housing market was just fine?

    The degree of critical with the health care issue between the 2 parties is very different. Obama: there can be doubt.

    Roosevelt was a progressive and Obama's economy - bubba take a look at the Carter years and try it again.

    As for Obama - his creation of hope is based entirely on fear and where has it gotten us? Has anything improved? Nope. Has anything gotten worse? Yes. And who is to blame? The programs are his; the money spent without backing is his; the positions he has and has changed and changed again upon are his. Obama lives with the poll and the media. The media says it is getting better and the data does not support it.
    With you running around here calling him Barney. It tells me you want him to fail.
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  8. #148  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    The media says it is getting better and the data does not support it.
    Prove it........
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    Do some reading - the Prove it gets very old. I am not calling Barney Obama - that is Frank. As for wanting him to fail - not him, just his policies and that has been covered tons of times.
  10. #150  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Do some reading - the Prove it gets very old. I am not calling Barney Obama - that is Frank. As for wanting him to fail - not him, just his policies and that has been covered tons of times.
    I can assume that you only spend about 10 seconds in the voting booth eh?
  11. #151  
    Quote Originally Posted by kilofoxtrot View Post
    I can assume that you only spend about 10 seconds in the voting booth eh?
    It's a worthy effort, but ultimately not worth it. Some folks on this board say things like "the data doesn't support it", but leave out the actual data.
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    #152  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    Then who should?
    It's likely not who but what. I think the Reagan policies did help but can't be given that much credit. The biggest factor was the tech revolution. The interweb google machine not only created thousands of new jobs in software and manufacturing but also created whole new venues for existing businesses to market their goods and services.

    Again, Toby stole my thunder.
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    #153  
    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    The president has very little to do with the economy and how well it does. Bill Gates (and the lead up to Y2K) had far more to do with the economic boom of the 90s than Bill Clinton or Ronald Reagan.
    Damn you!
  14. #154  
    Sounds like we are getting nasty and rather offensive here. Shall I make a comment about your voting habits?

    Quote Originally Posted by kilofoxtrot View Post
    I can assume that you only spend about 10 seconds in the voting booth eh?
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    The democrats never gave Reagan credit for anything he did. Look hard - it never happened.

    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    It's likely not who but what. I think the Reagan policies did help but can't be given that much credit. The biggest factor was the tech revolution. The interweb google machine not only created thousands of new jobs in software and manufacturing but also created whole new venues for existing businesses to market their goods and services.

    Again, Toby stole my thunder.
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    #156  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    The democrats never gave Reagan credit for anything he did. Look hard - it never happened.
    Well, that's not entirely true. They gave him credit for the AIDS epidemic, for tossing mentally ill out on the streets, for starving the elderly and for steeling lunch money from school kids. I'm kind of surprised nobody's claimed that he liked to kick puppies.
  17.    #157  
    OK OK calm down. Worthwhile opinions but from these opinions must be recognition, to correct the past mistakes & improve them. Now President Obama's education is very valuable to allow him in his office to do what he thinks is best for us. Isn't that why he was elected? Fear/ well a little fear shows us in prompt what could happen if we went to that level. Fear? do you remember the word garbage which everywhere has grown so large there is no place to put it. Everything has its limits & must be put somewhere so all of our worlds technology, work, life provides garbage in so many factors. So fear can be related in many unexpected,unrecognized, ignored ways. So lets calm down & see these words in the proper manner to correct, not argue for its simple manner (yes anger does happen but it does not rule), to reformat to a civilize manner for progress to improve all that needs to be corrected. Not against each other "but to sit down & lets talk about this over a cup of tea". (( I drink coffee, so you still have choice)).
  18. #158  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT View Post
    And bush wasnt fearmongering you imply?
    Regarding the economy, no, he never did that I recall. Bush the younger may be a stooge, but even before he took office he was cautioning against 'talking down the economy'. Even though he was vilified for it, Phil Gramm was right that the economy has a huge psychological component. When people think times are good, they effectively create good times by making purchases and circulating wealth in the system. When they think times are bad, they effectively create bad times by not making purchases or investments they might otherwise.
    From why I see Obama had a message of hope (yes we can, etc) not sure of how much that is still carrying, but my (remote) impression that Obama would create far more hope in general than Bush did in the last 8 years..
    I think in some ways he does, but regarding the economy, he's just a big a fearmonger as Bush ever was about terrorism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by groovy View Post
    Damn you!
    Sir, I assure you that if anyone is already damned, it is probably me, so you have effectively been beaten to the punch yet again.
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  20. #160  
    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    I think in some ways he does, but regarding the economy, he's just a big a fearmonger as Bush ever was about terrorism.
    There is a huge difference in fearmongering and facing reality. The economy is/was in serious trouble .... I'd rather have the truth i.e. "the economy is in serious trouble" than a candy coated version.

    If the building I am in is on fire.... I want someone to tell me. If that is fearmongering... I'll gladly take it.
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