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    One of the newest peices of evidence (numerous) that proves 9/11 was an inside job.
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    And the proof is where (I thought there was proof here)?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sblanter View Post
    And the proof is where (I thought there was proof here)?
    Explain how this is not proof? But if you want more well here:

    Seismic Proof 9/11 Was An Inside Job (Updated Version II)



    Just to start. There is a lot of info on that. O and why next topic for the person who last responded? What this isn't important?
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    Quote Originally Posted by fry8 View Post
    Explain how this is not proof? But if you want more well here:

    Seismic Proof 9/11 Was An Inside Job (Updated Version II)



    Just to start. There is a lot of info on that. O and why next topic for the person who last responded? What this isn't important?
    Well, for me, I just read the the subtitles. Maybe there was alot more to it than that (seemed as though there was a lot more talk than what was captured in the subtitles). As far as the content I read, I would need a hell of a lot more to qualify as "proof".
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    This is old stuff. I believe Popular Mechanics did a series on this. Debunking the 9/11 Myths: Special Report - Popular Mechanics.

    This is a topic that has no where to go.
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    Dude! did anyone watch the documentery of some guy that wired walked from one of the towers to the other one

    http://images.google.com/imgres?imgu...JIvglQeXru3WCw
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    This is a topic that has no where to go.
    If only that were true. The problem is, the more these wacky conspiracy theories are (rightly) rubbished, the more some people see that as part of the conspiracy.
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    It is also worthwhile considering that people believe that proof for the conventional and widely accepted explanation exists and is valid. And it is expected that everybody should accept it without any questions.

    As for Popular Mechanics, I stopped reading it around that time...
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    The problem with the explosives theory (the idea the buildings were blown up before the planes hit) is that thousands of people watched it happen, including thousands of survivors from inside the buildings. Millions more have watched it on TV. There is ZERO visual evidence, and ZERO eye-witness reports of any shocks, explosions, dust clouds, or anything else typically associated with explosions prior to the impacts of the planes.

    And even IF there were explosives in the building, that's far from making it an "inside job." These were not terribly well secured buildings. If Al-Queda could commandeer 4 planes, they could easily gain access to the buildings and plant explosives themselves.

    This conspiracy theory holds no more water than those associated with the JFK assasination, the sinking of the Titanic, or any other fun ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meyerweb View Post
    The problem with the explosives theory (the idea the buildings were blown up before the planes hit) is that thousands of people watched it happen, including thousands of survivors from inside the buildings. Millions more have watched it on TV. There is ZERO visual evidence, and ZERO eye-witness reports of any shocks, explosions, dust clouds, or anything else typically associated with explosions prior to the impacts of the planes.

    And even IF there were explosives in the building, that's far from making it an "inside job." These were not terribly well secured buildings. If Al-Queda could commandeer 4 planes, they could easily gain access to the buildings and plant explosives themselves.

    This conspiracy theory holds no more water than those associated with the JFK assasination, the sinking of the Titanic, or any other fun ones.

    Did you listen to the video? Do you know the difference between explosives such as TNT vs.Thermate/thermite or nano thermite the latter which was probably used on the building? Nano thermite can produce extremely high temperatures to literally melt steel, it is an extremely advanced type of chemical. The melting of steel can compromise a building's structure. Nano thermite isn't some kind of TNT or dynamite. However, it is possible to use Nano thermite to produce a different type of explosion, one that can exert force.

    To say that Al Qaeda put explosives in the building is utterly ridiculous. One, why wouldn't they just explode the buildings then? Why would you go secretly somehow with super advanced nano thermite, that only very few people knew about that at that (especially back 2001) have the ability, the time, the labor, the security access, the know how, and then for no apparent reason, crash a plane in the building just to blow it up? That's completely rubbish. You also might want to read this. It explains the connections between nano thermite and NIST. http://journalof911studies.com/volum...and_Nano-1.pdf

    This explains some of the security for the world trade centers. 9/11 Security Courtesy of Marvin Bush

    Also, can you explain how Al Qaeda got into WTC 7? It was not hit by a plane and yet fell down in nearly free fall speed. It was also a very secure building. It had many governmental agencies in their as well.

    "Other major tenants included ITT Hartford Insurance Group (122,590 sq ft/11,400 m), American Express Bank International (106,117 sq ft/9,900 m), Standard Chartered Bank (111,398 sq ft/10,350 m), and the Securities and Exchange Commission (106,117 sq ft/9,850 m).[24] Smaller tenants included the Internal Revenue Service Regional Council (90,430 sq ft/8,400 m) and the United States Secret Service (85,343 sq ft/7,900 m).[24] The smallest tenants included the New York City Office of Emergency Management,[25] National Association of Insurance Commissioners, Federal Home Loan Bank, First State Management Group Inc., Provident Financial Management, and the Immigration and Naturalization Service.[24] The Department of Defense (DOD) and Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) shared the 25th floor with the IRS.[6] Floors 4647 were mechanical floors, as were the bottom six floors and part of the seventh floor.[6][26]"

    - 7 World Trade Center - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Also, Frank A. Demartini, one of the construction managers for the twin towers stated "The building was designed to have a fully loaded 707 crash into it. That was the largest plane at the time. I believe that the building probably could sustain multiple impacts of jetliners because this structure is like the mosquito netting on your screen door this intense grid and the jet plane is just a pencil puncturing that screen netting. It really does nothing to the screen netting."

    By the way where did you come up with the fact that no one heard explosions. You should read this Explosive Testimony: Revelations about the Twin Towers in the 9/11 Oral Histories - 911truth.org

    By the way the BBC "accidently" reported on the collapse of WTC 7, approximately 20 minutes before it actually happened! Here

    To say that "these are just fun conspiracy theories" is non sense. The government's investigation into 911 is only a theory and by definition, their theory is a conspiracy theory, that's the real conspiracy theory. Even Jimmy Carter a few months ago stated that he would be open to supporting a new 911 investigation along with many other prestigious professionals such as ex Italian president Francesco Cossiga and former German minister Andreas Von Bulow say 911 was an inside job, there are also many more. These aren't some cooky, fun, looney theories that people on the internet write about, these are actually real theories that even high level politicans acknowledge.

    You also might want to check this governemnt doucment out. This is from wiki

    Operation Northwoods, or Northwoods, was a false-flag conspiracy plan, proposed within the United States government in 1962. The plan called for CIA or other operatives to commit apparent acts of terrorism in U.S. cities to create public support for a war against Castro-led Cuba. One plan was to "develop a Communist Cuban terror campaign in the Miami area, in other Florida cities and even in Washington".

    - Operation Northwoods - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Here is the .pdf version of the official document. http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20...northwoods.pdf

    This is the mentality of our government and it still exists in our modern world unfortunately.The Project for the New American Century is a neo con think tank, whose members include high ranking officials such as Paul Wolfowitz, Willaim Kristol, **** Cheney, Rumsfeld and others of the like. In September of 2000 The Project for the New American Century issued a report entitled "Rebuilding America's Defenses: Strategy, Forces and Resources For a New Century," which provides a roadmap to Iraq and beyond.

    "Further, the process of transformation, even if it brings revolutionary change, is likely to be a long one, absent some catastrophic and catalyzing event like a new Pearl Harbor..."

    There are numerous pieces of evidence that prove 9/11 was an inside job. The things I posted are just a fragment of the mounds of evidence.
    I'll leave you with this quote

    "No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11"

    - Rex Tomb, Spokesman for the FBI (FBI says, "No hard evidence connecting Bin Laden to 9/11")
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    Quote Originally Posted by cglaguna View Post
    next topic...
    ditto...
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    Quote Originally Posted by fry8 View Post
    Did you listen to the video?
    enjoy your fantasies, son. The rest of us still have to live in the real world.

    The real problem with this sort of thing is that there's no way to prove a negative. Conspiracy theorists can come up with all sorts of wacky "evidence" that's impossible to refute, even though there's no way to prove it, either. But since they enjoy conspiracies so much, they always choose to believe what fits their desired outcome, and dare us to prove them wrong.

    I can't prove there wasn't a second shooter in Dallas in 1963, so conspiracy buffs take that as evidence that there was. I can't prove there *wasn't* thermite in the buldings, so that's evidence that there must have been.

    No one heard any other explosions? That's because thermite explosions are slient, apparently (What? Do these people have a brain?) The visual, auditory, and eye-witness evidence doesn't support there being explosions prior to the planes impacting, but someone claims seismic readings refute that. So obviously the thousands of people who heard, saw and felt it are wrong, and the purported seismic traces are true. Oh, that's right, thermite exposions can't be heard or felt. But then what did they wouldn't be picked up by seismographs either, would they?

    You ask "why would al queda not just blow up the buildings if they put explosive in them?" Turn the question around: if it was an inside job, why would those "insiders" fly planes into the buildings (and hire Saudis to do it?) if they had alread planted explosives inside? Your logic (such as it is) works both ways.

    The entire conspiracy theory is a house of cards, built on conflicting evidence, conflicting theories, and a whole lot of supposition and wishful thinking. The evidence connecting Al Queda to 9/11 is overwhelming, including the admission of at least 2 people involved in the plot, as well as bragging by Bin Laden himself.


    Here's a suggestion: find a local college or university that offers a class in critical thinking, sign up for it, then apply the skills learned to the "evidence" of the conspiracy.
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    This is right up there with the "we didn't actually land on the moon" theory.
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    and the WMD in 2001 Iraq theory
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    and the WMD in 2001 Iraq theory
    Don't you guys get tired of that old old conspiracy theory? We need a new moveon.org to help you guys... moveon
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    Quote Originally Posted by Micael View Post
    Don't you guys get tired of that old old conspiracy theory? We need a new moveon.org to help you guys... moveon
    Yes the Bush Cheney conspiracy theory that there Were weapons in Iraq was only believed by the naive. But the naive and dishonorable were running the government.

    That is the problem with idiotic conspiracy theories like were used to start the Iraq war, some people are dumb enough or have other agendas and they end up becoming justification fopr policy.
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    NO!
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    You still ignore their use of planes/gas to kill the Kurds in their not too distant past? Gas is a weapon of mass destruction. You still ignore the statements from many countries that Iraq maintained weapons of mass destruction that came forth prior to the invasion? Ignore them of course.

    Quote Originally Posted by aero View Post
    Yes the Bush Cheney conspiracy theory that there Were weapons in Iraq was only believed by the naive. But the naive and dishonorable were running the government..

    That is the problem with idiotic conspiracy theories like were used to start the Iraq war, some people are dumb enough or have other agendas and they end up becoming justification fopr policy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aero View Post
    Yes the Bush Cheney conspiracy theory that there Were weapons in Iraq was only believed by the naive. But the naive and dishonorable were running the government.

    That is the problem with idiotic conspiracy theories like were used to start the Iraq war, some people are dumb enough or have other agendas and they end up becoming justification fopr policy.
    So you admit that the last 8 years of Bush Cheney bashing was all based on conspiracy theories. Thanks for finally coming clean!
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