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    Quote Originally Posted by palandri View Post
    LOL! you are not from the states. I listen to Dr. Paul as much as I listen to Dr. Laura.
    Yeah, Ron Paul also proposed shutting down the IRS, the Federal Reserve Bank, the CIA, and the FBI, and bringing all troops home from every single country. I'm not so sure he's one to think through the consequences of his ideas.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samkim View Post
    Yeah, Ron Paul also proposed shutting down the IRS, the Federal Reserve Bank, the CIA, and the FBI, and bringing all troops home from every single country. I'm not so sure he's one to think through the consequences of his ideas.
    Or maybe he's just a friggin' genius.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samkim View Post
    I'm not so sure he's one to think through the consequences of his ideas.
    Hes written several books to explain his ideas and their consequences, I highly recommend opening your mind and reading one of them. His most recent campaign book "The Revolution: A Manifesto" is a great place to start.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Or maybe he's just a friggin' genius.
    Perhaps so...

    Quote Originally Posted by asforme View Post
    Hes written several books to explain his ideas and their consequences, I highly recommend opening your mind and reading one of them. His most recent campaign book "The Revolution: A Manifesto" is a great place to start.
    I haven't read his books, but I did listen to him during his campaign. He said a lot of things that sounded appealing - about the role of government and the principles of the Constitution. But it's hard to take him seriously since he's not really a great leader, and his positions aren't grounded in the reality of our current world, IMO. Maybe his writings are more convincing...
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    It's very difficult to explain a radically different philosophical and political theory in the sound bytes of a campaign. His books are full of historical analysis of how our current form of government developed and the effects the changes and growth of our government has had on the world. When you study further you discover that he's one of the only ones that seems to truly know what's going on.

    Here's a great video showing Peter Shiff, Ron Paul's financial adviser predicting the housing crisis back in 2006.
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    Quote Originally Posted by asforme View Post
    It's very difficult to explain a radically different philosophical and political theory in the sound bytes of a campaign. His books are full of historical analysis of how our current form of government developed and the effects the changes and growth of our government has had on the world. When you study further you discover that he's one of the only ones that seems to truly know what's going on.

    Here's a great video showing Peter Shiff, Ron Paul's financial adviser predicting the housing crisis back in 2006.
    Loved the video. Especially the stock recommendations for Bear, Merrill, et al. As for Paul, perhaps he'd be more effective with his ideas in a different role.

    And maybe we should give the thread back... Sorry about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by samkim View Post
    Yeah, Ron Paul also proposed shutting down the IRS, the Federal Reserve Bank, the CIA, and the FBI, and bringing all troops home from every single country. I'm not so sure he's one to think through the consequences of his ideas.
    I dont agree with him on his rants about a smaller goverment, but I do agree with him that with these kind of flu epedemics we should go overboard and paranoia..
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    Quote Originally Posted by samkim View Post
    I haven't read his books, but I did listen to him during his campaign. He said a lot of things that sounded appealing - about the role of government and the principles of the Constitution. But it's hard to take him seriously since he's not really a great leader, and his positions aren't grounded in the reality of our current world, IMO. Maybe his writings are more convincing...
    To the general public, I doubt it. Libertarians are really a fringe movement in the US. The Republicans and Democrats have both convinced their respective constituencies that more and bigger government is the solution. The Republicans have even managed the more impressive feat of doing it while convincing many that they have co-opted the Libertarian smaller government stance. In reality, the Democrats want a big government to 'solve' all the social problems of the US/world, and the Republicans was a big government to 'protect' the security of the US/world. That being said, I agree that Paul isn't that great of a leader. I think Harry Browne was the most marketable candidate I recall us having. The 'problem' is how do you sell a 'leader' when your philosophy is that people should be their own leaders?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    The 'problem' is how do you sell a 'leader' when your philosophy is that people should be their own leaders?
    I agree - it's hard to simultaneous say "I'm against the government", and "I want to run it".

    I think the Libertarian Party has similar issues as the conservative movement: if all decisions are made ideologically, such as saying that "government is always the enemy", then there's no middle ground in which folks can agree that smart intervention is actually a good thing. As a result, very positive points about too much government intervention in some areas are diverted by statements such as "the free market and not the government should have taken care of Katrina".

    It's a bit sad, because I'd wager that a far greater number of people buy the central concept of libertarianism, but can't get behind the somewhat silly lengths that the established Libertarian Party takes it.
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  10. #30  
    Larger government in the US has never worked and frankly, I do not see it working well in your country. Look at what feeds at the troughs of big government - more and more people, more and more programs, more and more and more and of course, more paper money to pay for it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT View Post
    I dont agree with him on his rants about a smaller goverment, but I do agree with him that with these kind of flu epedemics we should go overboard and paranoia..
  11. #31  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    I agree - it's hard to simultaneous say "I'm against the government", and "I want to run it".

    I think the Libertarian Party has similar issues as the conservative movement: if all decisions are made ideologically, such as saying that "government is always the enemy", then there's no middle ground in which folks can agree that smart intervention is actually a good thing.
    I don't think that any 'ordinary' Libertarian is going to advance the idea that "government is always the enemy". Where most of us disagree is how much intervention is 'smart' or even effective.
    As a result, very positive points about too much government intervention in some areas are diverted by statements such as "the free market and not the government should have taken care of Katrina".
    To be blunt, the free market was having a far larger impact than the feds or even the state was. If we'd not been in Iraq, I'd wager that our own National Guard troops and equipment would have been able to evacuate NOLA handily. Also, it was ineffective government planning at both the local, state, and federal level that created the people part of the crisis in the first place.
    It's a bit sad, because I'd wager that a far greater number of people buy the central concept of libertarianism, but can't get behind the somewhat silly lengths that the established Libertarian Party takes it.
    The problem with being a 'third party' is that to get noticed, you have to have a kook as the figurehead sometimes. I can't imagine many USians reading Harry Browne's platform from 2000 and thinking it was silly, but people don't listen to that sort of thing. It takes someone like Ross Perot or Ron Paul going to an extreme to get anyone's attention.
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