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    I was talking with a Canadian co-worker about his health care in Canada. He told me that he pays 57% of his wages to the government. Plus the normal state/province and local taxes. He s not happy with his cost of living due to taxes However they are happy with the coverage.
    Can you Canadians confirm this?
    Should America be concerned about universal health care.
    What about dental? I think the USA excels in dental hygiene from what I see.
    Does it result in longer periods before minor surgery.
    Does it help business reduce cost?
    Do you receive useless primary testing to pad the doctor/s pockets?
    Is there very much cosmetic procedure being done up there?
    Peaceful comments please we can Bash the O, later on this. Iím just tiring to determine how I should stand on this question.
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    I am willing to bet that the 57% tax mark is way off.
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    I have a cousin in England routinely complaining about her taxes and the 3 year wait for elective surgery. Not Canada, but not that different.
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    It's my understanding that in Australia we are VERY well of when it comes to health care.
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    thought i would get more input. Are they also taxed on web post? How about anyone who has experienced Universal Health in a foreign land and also experienced the US health care.

    me just wondering
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    I look at it this way. We all remember a few weeks ago when it hit the news that the English government or whatever opted not to pay for treatment to several people that were ill due to the cost of the treatment. If that makes a health system good and viable, then bubba, we have serious differences.
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    Quote Originally Posted by g.711 View Post
    thought i would get more input. Are they also taxed on web post? How about anyone who has experienced Universal Health in a foreign land and also experienced the US health care.

    me just wondering
    Might have been a better post with more research on your end first...

    This info should be a good jump before you guys/gals start bashing Mr. President...

    What are the income tax rates in Canada?

    Canadian and American health care systems compared - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Taxation in Canada - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    http://www.whitehouse.gov/agenda/health_care/

    There are more, but this should be a good place to start....

    Here is a picture for you to print...

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    Quote Originally Posted by g.711 View Post
    Should America be concerned about universal health care.
    I'm not too concerned about universal health care... depending on how it looks. So far the plan is to pay for the universal heathcare by rolling back the bush tax cuts. So only those of you making $250,000 per year should be upset.

    At any rate, we all know that rolling back the tax cuts is only a solution and can't pay for "everything." It is going to be interesting to see what other choices will need to be made.

    I receive free (well, almost free -- I pay deductibles) health care through the VA. My quality of life is SO much better than people I know without insurance. When I get sick or have an issue, I go down and have someone look at it. Many people have to make a decision on being seen or paying bills (unless a "real" emergency or something they can't put off).

    Normally I can get in before things get too bad... plus I have annual checkups which chart my health "performance."

    I believe everyone needs health care... I'm willing to pay a small part to ensure others receive what I have... quality of life issue IMO...
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    Those are hefty tax rates there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    I look at it this way. We all remember a few weeks ago when it hit the news that the English government or whatever opted not to pay for treatment to several people that were ill due to the cost of the treatment. If that makes a health system good and viable, then bubba, we have serious differences.
    Let me give you some background to that since you seem to only have heard half the story.

    This example of people requesting an expensive and experimental treatment with slim chances of success.
    The NHS decided that given the chance of success and the cost, the money would be better spend elsewhere, where it would be more efficient.
    I'm sure that many private medical insurances would have done the same...

    FWIW you can have additional private cover here in the UK too so you basically can jump the queue for elective surgery.
    I've been using the NHS for years now and haven't had any complaints yet.. but it does help that I live in an area with good cover, the level of service seems to vary in the different regions..
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    And the doctors in England, are they home grown or imports? What is the big cost factor of the English medical system?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    And the doctors in England, are they home grown or imports? What is the big cost factor of the English medical system?
    Both... my GP('s) are very english, while at hospital there are many doctors with a foreign background (but having said that, they could be as british as my GP, many x-ed generation people here who have been born and raised in the UK...so you can't really tell)
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT View Post
    Let me give you some background to that since you seem to only have heard half the story.

    This example of people requesting an expensive and experimental treatment with slim chances of success.
    The NHS decided that given the chance of success and the cost, the money would be better spend elsewhere, where it would be more efficient.
    I'm sure that many private medical insurances would have done the same...

    FWIW you can have additional private cover here in the UK too so you basically can jump the queue for elective surgery.
    I've been using the NHS for years now and haven't had any complaints yet.. but it does help that I live in an area with good cover, the level of service seems to vary in the different regions..
    I've known people in the States that have private Blue Cross/Blue Shield health insurance, and the insurance company refuses to pay for any type of treatment they consider experimental.

    A recent case involved a friend of mine who had prostrate cancer. His private health insurance plan refused to pay for a freeze treatment his doctor wanted to perform, citing it was experimental. This outraged all the people in his Labor Union, who are the ones providing his health insurance. The Labor Union wrote a letter to the health insurance company informing them of their outrage, and initiated a 30 day policy cancellation notice. His Labor Union has about 2000 member. Once the health insurance company got the letter, they decided to pay for the freeze treatment, and the Labor Union canceled the cancellation notice. It's crazy they had to go that far over a doctors recommended treatment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palandri View Post
    [...] It's crazy they had to go that far over a doctors recommended treatment.
    Why is that crazy? They exercised their rights as customers to either get what they wanted or to take their business elsewhere. Doctors are just as human as the rest of us, so just because a single doctor recommends something, it doesn't make it objectively the thing that should be done.

    The real craziness, IMO, would be for them not to have that option, which they may not if we switched to a more socialized model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Why is that crazy? They exercised their rights as customers to either get what they wanted or to take their business elsewhere. Doctors are just as human as the rest of us, so just because a single doctor recommends something, it doesn't make it objectively the thing that should be done.

    The real craziness, IMO, would be for them not to have that option, which they may not if we switched to a more socialized model.
    To me it's crazy from the standpoint of the amount we pay for private medical insurance, you would expect a doctor recommended treatment program for cancer to be paid for. That's just my opinion.

    I was in the Military and you have socialized medicine in the Military and the care was quite good. Plus, they just had a special on TV about all the poor soldiers coming backed maimed from the middle east, and all the experimental treatments they were getting, where things like skin and bone were grown outside the body.

    Just my opinion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palandri View Post
    To me it's crazy from the standpoint of the amount we pay for private medical insurance, you would expect a doctor recommended treatment program for cancer to be paid for. That's just my opinion.
    The amount that one pays is going to vary, though, isn't it? Where does one draw the line between 'expected' experimental and 'unexpected' experimental? As I said, one doctor's opinion isn't (and shouldn't be, imo) gospel. Not sure what your insurance pool is, but you're paying them to safeguard the money that they oversee for you.
    I was in the Military and you have socialized medicine in the Military and the care was quite good.
    Because the care in the military isn't truly socialized. You do pay the cost in other ways. Besides, how many people are in the military at any given time? What's the average per capita cost?
    Plus, they just had a special on TV about all the poor soldiers coming backed maimed from the middle east, and all the experimental treatments they were getting, where things like skin and bone were grown outside the body.
    Sure, and what about the other sorts of experiments the government has conducted on troops in the past? What about the recent VA colonoscopy news?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Because the care in the military isn't truly socialized. You do pay the cost in other ways.
    Well, it's paid for by the taxpayers - because the military personnel don't personally pay the costs, it's publicly financed, so it can be considered socialized.

    Unfortunately, the term "socialized" has been used as a negative term in the US, in order to evoke the term "socialism". People forget that the V.A., Medicare and Medicaid are all publicly funded, and as such are socialized medicine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    ....Because the care in the military isn't truly socialized. You do pay the cost in other ways. Besides, how many people are in the military at any given time? What's the average per capita cost?
    Your heath care in the Military is socialized medicine. It's paid for, and ran by the government. I have no idea what the cost is. I am sure you can google it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Sure, and what about the other sorts of experiments the government has conducted on troops in the past? What about the recent VA colonoscopy news?
    No idea, please share.
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    26+ years ago VA medical was not very good. In fact we all felt like those who couldnít make it in private practice worked the VA. Long line, well actual not long lines it just plain took forever to get any anything. The overall sense IMO was that no one cared, this is just a job Typical government employee like the DMV. At least that was the view in California where I lived at the time. It has become much better in recent years as I understand.

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    Might have been a better post with more research on your end first...
    Thanks for the links however I was looking for a more personal view on the ground level so to speak. By the way I m not sure what is meant or why you want me to have the Obama jpeg but thanks for that too.
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    If you let the government run your health care it will destroy it. The Canadian and British models are disasters.
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