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    I am, Born, Breed, Fought For. With this know & so many here to answer, so many should, I ask "What is an American"?
    Thank you to all who must answer this question.
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    a person with an American passport?

    Eeeh better make that American citizenship since many americans actualy don't have a passport..
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT View Post
    a person with an American passport?

    Eeeh better make that American citizenship since many americans actualy don't have a passport..
    Exactly. My grandfather was not born here, and talked with a thick accent, but was every inch an American. We have recently lost sight of our rich heritage of immigration in these highly charged, divisive political times.
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    Lost sight of our heritage? No, more like the other way around. The melting pot and coming together is not there any more - the willingness to blend in to society is not as strong as it was in the past. Come in from one country, keep that past and do not assimilate. The melting pot is under serious attack.

    Americans - blamed for almost every evil in this world. Americans, blamed by their president for every evil in this world. Americans, apologized for by their president every time he jets off to visit another country. Americans, blamed by Nancy every time she opens her mouth.

    God Bless America, don't damn it.
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    My Great+++ Grandpa
    Settled on this Land Mass about 1625.
    I'm not implying he was/is any more American than the next.
    I just Really Love my Grandpa.
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    By definition, an American is one who lives in the Americas. I am an American. I am also a US citizen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Lost sight of our heritage? No, more like the other way around. The melting pot and coming together is not there any more - the willingness to blend in to society is not as strong as it was in the past. Come in from one country, keep that past and do not assimilate. The melting pot is under serious attack.

    Americans - blamed for almost every evil in this world. Americans, blamed by their president for every evil in this world. Americans, apologized for by their president every time he jets off to visit another country. Americans, blamed by Nancy every time she opens her mouth.

    God Bless America, don't damn it.
    Agreed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Lost sight of our heritage? No, more like the other way around. The melting pot and coming together is not there any more - the willingness to blend in to society is not as strong as it was in the past. Come in from one country, keep that past and do not assimilate. The melting pot is under serious attack.

    Americans - blamed for almost every evil in this world. Americans, blamed by their president for every evil in this world. Americans, apologized for by their president every time he jets off to visit another country. Americans, blamed by Nancy every time she opens her mouth.

    God Bless America, don't damn it.
    Also agreed. I had my first US passport at three days with Occupation of Infant.

    Assimilation has been further killed by USA allowing dual passports. We should go back to renouncing previous country and end all the hyphenation nonsense.
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    Love it, or leave it. Let me get the door for you.
    I find it sad/odd that people ask to be thanked. How genuine is it when you have to ask? It's like forcing your kid to call Grandma, to thank her for the new underwear she sent for their birthday.

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    `In today’s world and American is someone who has (fill in the latest culturally Popular term for any Race, creed, Religion, Uniqueness )-American.

    In other words a mutt. But a mutt which is envied for by every nation in the world. A mutt who has been the most giving bread for the last two hundred years.
    Protected, supported and aided the world more than any other country in history.
    A mutt who has contributed more innovation and creativity in the history of the world.
    Thats what a/an _________-American is.
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    g.711 - most correct. For all the faults we have as a country and people, one that we do not have is a lack of giving and caring for others.
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    Absolutely right. Its unequivocal.
    Though our ships carrying food and aid are being attacked by the very countries we are sending it to, we STILL continue to help those countries.
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    Does this thread allow for any additional points-of-view? Or will these be shown the door? It is mostly concerning the "caring" and "giving" bits, whatever the other attributes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenHex View Post
    Does this thread allow for any additional points-of-view? Or will these be shown the door? It is mostly concerning the "caring" and "giving" bits, whatever the other attributes.
    I suppose your intent is to dog America then, is that what you are trying to insinuate here?
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    Quote Originally Posted by treobk214 View Post
    I suppose your intent is to dog America then, is that what you are trying to insinuate here?
    Don't get me wrong America is a great country. It's the ultimate destination of every non-American. I was just asking if there was a possibility for any conflicting points of view in this thread. I mean, there could be more than a single self-congratulatory view on this whole "American" thing.

    I'd better stop, if I continue this discussion on these lines I'll forestall the possibility of ever again getting an American visa. (I'm sure they google you before issuing a visa.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenHex View Post
    Don't get me wrong America is a great country. It's the ultimate destination of every non-American. I was just asking if there was a possibility for any conflicting points of view in this thread. I mean, there could be more than a single self-congratulatory view on this whole "American" thing.

    I'd better stop, if I continue this discussion on these lines I'll forestall the possibility of ever again getting an American visa. (I'm sure they google you before issuing a visa.)
    You think its more valuable to post barbs than focus on positives, which, in a derogatory manner, you are calling self-congratulatory.

    Don't get me wrong, its not always easy to spot the ingrates. But with some folks its just seems so very obvious. They make thinly veiled statements.

    In such cases, they probably SHOULD be refused visas. LOL.

    I better stop, if I continue on these lines, someone might place a call to have a visa refused, since I quite possibly would recommend they google someone's identity and all.

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    What bothers me is that we tend to forget the past. America has done much to help other countries. We have fed North Korea and look at what it does. We have fed many countries, only to be vilified. We have sent aid to China and many countries when natural disasters have occurred. We are often on the scene before the request and in times of disasters, nothing asked for in return. Yet, we are vilified. Leaders of countries refusing aid from ships because they think we will invade them. Goodness. The world benefits from our science - earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes. America has interests throughout the world and yes, there have been mistakes made in the past. However, the general slamming we get makes me think we ought to just roll up the rug and take care of ourselves. This country can take care of itself - most cannot. It seems convenient that a short jump back in history this country was sending its military, men and women, to distant shores to protect and free those countries. We asked for a place to bury our dead - nothing else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    What bothers me is that we tend to forget the past. America has done much to help other countries. We have fed North Korea and look at what it does. We have fed many countries, only to be vilified. We have sent aid to China and many countries when natural disasters have occurred. We are often on the scene before the request and in times of disasters, nothing asked for in return. Yet, we are vilified. Leaders of countries refusing aid from ships because they think we will invade them. Goodness. The world benefits from our science - earthquakes, tsunamis, hurricanes. America has interests throughout the world and yes, there have been mistakes made in the past. However, the general slamming we get makes me think we ought to just roll up the rug and take care of ourselves. This country can take care of itself - most cannot. It seems convenient that a short jump back in history this country was sending its military, men and women, to distant shores to protect and free those countries. We asked for a place to bury our dead - nothing else.
    would you like an outsiders view on this?

    First of all let me state that I like america, I have visited it many times and have many american friends.

    But having said that it is far from the promised land many people make it out to be. And for sure it is NOT the ambition of al non americans to become american...

    "For all the faults we have as a country and people, one that we do not have is a lack of giving and caring for others. "
    mmm judging the apathy for your poor and homeless people, little social network, poor healthcare system, one could argue the opposite.
    And as for selfishly helping other countries, I'm afraid that doesnt seem true, america looks after its own interest (rightly so!) so if they interfere other countries it is to cover their own interests. Which is not a bad thing, but it is if you do it under false pretenses.
    And yes the US does give a lot to charity too, but it is not unique in that, and if you look at the amount of charity it gives per person it isnt even doing that great from what I recall (I'll see if I can find some data to back that up)

    Another problem that some people have is the (percieved) arrogance by america. America is a great country but not the only great one and to be honest the US has lost a bit of its power and glamour...
    Many of the US companies are now in the hands of foreign countries, if China put in a consolidated effort they could bankrupt the US in no time through all the companies they own..
    Another example of this was the story of the guy that was refused access to the toilet during 'god bless america' in a stadium that is forced patriotism.. not a good thing...

    This post was not meant to slam america (though I'm sure some will see it like that) but just to show you the other side of the story..

    Bottom line is US is a great country and I like it, but I like it like a brother, one that can annoy me at times too...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    What bothers me is that we tend to forget the past. America has done much to help other countries. We have fed North Korea and look at what it does. We have fed many countries, only to be vilified. We have sent aid to China and many countries when natural disasters have occurred. We are often on the scene before the request and in times of disasters, nothing asked for in return.
    I was not going to post any more in this thread, but remember that even a ridiculously poor country like India - along with many other poor countries - send out aid when the need arises, the US is not unique in extending aid. There is a flip side to everything. India probably finds it easier to give aid to others than to help it's own.

    In any case there is one important question to ask ourselves - why are we doing something (send out aid in this case)? Is it because of selfishness? or maybe genuine caring for others? or is it because it (merely) is the right thing to do? Of-course the answer could be a combination of these factors. In any case, it is crucial to everything.
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    There are so many comments I Should make in regards last few statements. I would love to hear the views of the rest of the world. Just says what you feel and I hope we can learn from each other.
    Surly every country has given aid in one way or another in time of need. But if you are gonna compare giving on a Per Person basis neither China, India or even 90+% the rest of the world can compare.

    American Health Care, Education, Infrastructure, Water, Food Output, Conservation compare it all.

    Given the state of our poor, Americas poor generally live much better than 90+ % of the world. You cant even compare.
    Does not India have ongoing issues with “Class” where you cannot marry or even socialize outside of your class? Even you say ". India probably finds it easier to give aid to others than to help it's own" What is your point what do you want from us?
    Does not country after country suffer from internal corruption?
    Does not Russia maintain a reputation for prostitutes throughout Europe.
    Is it not true that the Middle East stone women for being raped. Do they not pour acid over there face for going to school. Africa... well nuff said there.
    And the aphetic EU they can’t get anything done.
    Yes we are in hock to China at the moment. Twenty years ago it was the Japaneses. And before that it was the Dutch. The world invests in America.

    Why? Other counties have similar resources, why is the US special?

    Lastly just consider the accomplishment of America in its short history compared to the rest of the world. No country is perfect, No man is perfect save for One who was killed 2009 years ago.

    Maybe that is America’s secrete just look on the back of our currency.
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