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    I'd also like to apologise for having made a 'blanket statement' not meaning to be misunderstood. I hope my previous reply is acceptable & understood. Thank you
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    I'd like to talk about what other countries are doing that could make America great. Sweden plans to be the world's first oil-free economy. By 2019, Sweden will not use one drop of crude oil. I think America needs to follow their lead!
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    Quote Originally Posted by palandri View Post
    I'd like to talk about what other countries are doing that could make America great. Sweden plans to be the world's first oil-free economy. By 2019, Sweden will not use one drop of crude oil. I think America needs to follow their lead!
    That is an interesting story, do you have more info on that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT View Post
    That is an interesting story, do you have more info on that?
    I just googled it, and there are a lot of articles about it. It's actually 2020. I was off by one year, but the program is actual bigger than just crude oil, it's converting to 100% renewable resources. You have to applaud Sweden for doing this:

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    Quote Originally Posted by palandri View Post
    You have to applaud Sweden for doing this:

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    Not really. They haven't actually done it yet. Nice political move though. They'll get some nice investment dollars out of this. Keep in mind that they won't "make it" without "breaking some eggs" along the way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palandri View Post
    I'd like to talk about what other countries are doing that could make America great. Sweden plans to be the world's first oil-free economy. By 2019, Sweden will not use one drop of crude oil. I think America needs to follow their lead!
    Yeah right. By 2019 Sweden will get back to the Stone Age.

    And why do you need to get rid of oil? It's the most organic substance in the planet. And if your premise is man made global warming or climate change or whatever, you are on a wrong starting point.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jewel View Post
    And why do you need to get rid of oil? It's the most organic substance in the planet. And if your premise is man made global warming or climate change or whatever, you are on a wrong starting point.
    Many would disagree with you. And even if one buys the premise that it's the "most organic substance in the planet" -- whatever that means -- and ignores the prevalence of scientific opinion about climate change, the fact remains that carbon fuels are not a renewable resource, and a convincing argument could be made that it's unsustainable as an energy source.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    Many would disagree with you. And even if one buys the premise that it's the "most organic substance in the planet" -- whatever that means -- and ignores the prevalence of scientific opinion about climate change, the fact remains that carbon fuels are not a renewable resource, and a convincing argument could be made that it's unsustainable as an energy source.
    Check your facts buddy. They may not be facts at all. Not all scientists agree that global warming is man made.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jewel View Post
    Yeah right. By 2019 Sweden will get back to the Stone Age.

    And why do you need to get rid of oil? It's the most organic substance in the planet. And if your premise is man made global warming or climate change or whatever, you are on a wrong starting point.
    You're an aggressive one. Oil is a non renewable resource, that's all. Jeez!
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    Quote Originally Posted by palandri View Post
    You're an aggressive one. Oil is a non renewable resource, that's all. Jeez!
    How sure are you that it is non renewable? Check your facts bro. Don't be so gullible.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jewel View Post
    How sure are you that it is non renewable? Check your facts bro. Don't be so gullible.
    100% sure buddy. Sorry Jewel, but your demeanor is a bit too rude for me. Don't bother responding. I went to your Profile, clicked on User List and selected Add To Ignore List. I will no longer see your post, and that's the best way to end it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by palandri View Post
    100% sure buddy. Sorry Jewel, but your demeanor is a bit too rude for me. Don't bother responding. I went to your Profile, clicked on User List and selected Add To Ignore List. I will no longer see your post, and that's the best way to end it.
    Well Palandri is definitely a coward and couldn't stand intelligent conversation. All he needed to do was insist that he is 100% sure without giving proof, brand me as rude and add me to his ignore list. What a loser. He, he.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jewel View Post
    How sure are you that it is non renewable? Check your facts bro. Don't be so gullible.
    Can you cite any facts that oil is a renewable resource? From Wikipedia:

    "A natural resource is a renewable resource if it is replaced by natural processes at a rate comparable or faster than its rate of consumption by humans. ...The term has a connotation of sustainability of the natural environment. Gasoline, coal, natural gas, diesel, and other commodities derived from fossil fuels are non-renewable."

    It's not a matter of gullibility...it's simply that I paid attention in science class.

    Many would disagree with you. And even if one buys the premise that it's the "most organic substance in the planet" -- whatever that means -- and ignores the prevalence of scientific opinion about climate change, the fact remains that carbon fuels are not a renewable resource, and a convincing argument could be made that it's unsustainable as an energy source.
    Check your facts buddy. They may not be facts at all. Not all scientists agree that global warming is man made.
    Ignoring the rudeness of your post, you'll note that I said "many would disagree with you", not that all scientists agree. That being said, there is nothing even approaching an even split on the matter. The vast majority of scientists agree on the topic. But it seems that you're simply picking fights, so I won't bother further.
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    The article that you cited on wikipedia is conventional wisdom. It is based on the belief that oil is derived from fossils. That would mean that it would take several years to renew oil. True that this has been taught in science class, but science is not static. There are new discoveries that are made everyday that dispels conventional wisdom. Like for example the discovery of a certain kind of bacteria that eats dirt and yields crude oil? Now that didn't take years to process oil, did it? And have you heard about Eugene Island? A drilling site that's supposed to have ran out of oil but now is pumping daily tens of thousands of barrels again.

    Don't tell me that you are just like the other poster who will brand me as rude just because you cannot stand intelligent conversation. And, by the way, when did science became a game of consensus? Science is about facts and not opinions.
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    It is not the prevalence, it is the lack of reporting. Also most Americans do not support the "fact" that global warming is as serious as Gore says - have you noticed he has toned down and in fact changed his terminology. You are aware that the highest temperatures in recent history were in the 90s and since then the temperatures have been going down.


    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    Many would disagree with you. And even if one buys the premise that it's the "most organic substance in the planet" -- whatever that means -- and ignores the prevalence of scientific opinion about climate change, the fact remains that carbon fuels are not a renewable resource, and a convincing argument could be made that it's unsustainable as an energy source.
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    Citing Wikipedia is not the best source - you will notice that when you look at the Weather Underground article, there is one very important person barely mentioned.
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    I had a long response, but I'll just leave it alone. Hopefully you will realize that your opinions don't reflect those of the vast majority of the world.

    Political ideology and conspiracy theories do not constitute science.
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    wow! an off topic thread that's been taken off topic.

    And personal Insults to boot.

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    Where did this come from? Are we accusing someone of "political ideology?" If so, look in the mirror...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    I had a long response, but I'll just leave it alone. Hopefully you will realize that your opinions don't reflect those of the vast majority of the world.

    Political ideology and conspiracy theories do not constitute science.
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