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  1.    #61  
    Ah the storey of Republicans & Democrats that seems to become another post but all still welcome here.
  2. #62  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Freedom of speech. Does that include talk radio - both liberal and conservative? We are familiar with the fairness doctrine, aren't we? Give Nancy and her bunch their choice and the fairness doctrine will seriously rein in free speech.
    I think that many folks on either side of the aisle agree with you on this, and the President has stated that he wouldn't support it.
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  3.    #63  
    When You Speak of OUR President, Please be More explicit. We do not need that kind of contrary talk from the Americans. We voted President Obama into office to " Re-Build America".
    Our #1 Amendment IS Freedom Of Speech.
    IT IS SAID- "GOD BLESS AMERICA".
  4. #64  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Lost sight of our heritage? No, more like the other way around. The melting pot and coming together is not there any more - the willingness to blend in to society is not as strong as it was in the past. Come in from one country, keep that past and do not assimilate. The melting pot is under serious attack.
    You're not the only, nor first, to make this argument, but it demonstrates a real lack of knowledge of American history. NO immigrant population has ever assimilated in the first generation. They've only partially assimilated in the second. When the Scandanavians came and eventually settled in the northern plains, the first generation kept their customs and language. Same for the Italians, Germans, Chinese, Jews, Vietnamese, and now Latinos.

    The second generation, in all these waves of immigration, partially assimilates. They learn English, but tend to speak the languages of their ancestors, too. How can they not, when their parents barely speak English? They reach back to their heritage, but also reach out to the opportunities America offers.

    The third generation tends to largely assimilate. They tend to speak their family's native language poorly, if at all. They've been raised in primarily English speaking homes, gone to English language schools, watched English language TV, play with English speaking kids, etc.

    This is the process that's happening today. My sister-in-law was born in Vietnam, but came here with her family when young. Her parents spoke barely any English. She's multi-lingual, but speaks English with a fairly heavy accent. Her children know only a few words of Vietnamese, and are as American as my kids. The Indan family down the street, and the Chinese family next door to them, are second generation families. The parents speak English just fine, but also Hindu and Mandarin. Their kids, between 8 and 12, don't know anything but English and the American way of life.

    The guy who mowed my lawn when I had surgery is a first generation immigrant. He speaks only a little English. But his kids came with him one day, and they speak English pretty much the same as any 5 or 6 year olds do. I bet their kids won't speak Spanish at all.

    What's different today isn't the way immigrants assimilate into the "melting pot." The difference is today's communications technologies. As an example, because of cable TV, there are now spanish language TV stations visible to most of us. In the old days, they were low power stations located only in heavily hispanic neighborhoods, so you didn't even know they existed.

    Some Americans look at how the Hispanic population has "taken over" Miami and think that's something new, and dangerous. But go read some history books, and learn about the Irish ghetto in New York, or the Italian "takeovers" of Philadelphia and New York during those waves of immigration. No difference.

    Sadly, bigotry against immigrants masquerading as patriotism isn't new, either.
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  5. #65  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Freedom of speech. Does that include talk radio - both liberal and conservative? We are familiar with the fairness doctrine, aren't we? Give Nancy and her bunch their choice and the fairness doctrine will seriously rein in free speech.
    Just for the record, the fairness doctrine doesn't exist anymore. It was removed by legislation when Reagan was president and both houses of congress controlled by republicans. Back when Republicans thought they'd be in charge forever, and didn't want competing voices to have easy access to air time.

    I'm not quite sure what point you're making, but as far as talk radio goes conservative personalities far out number liberal ones, so I don't think you have to fear that conservative voices will go away.
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  6. #66  
    Quote Originally Posted by cscoot03 View Post
    When You Speak of OUR President, Please be More explicit. We do not need that kind of contrary talk from the Americans. We voted President Obama into office to " Re-Build America".
    Our #1 Amendment IS Freedom Of Speech.
    IT IS SAID- "GOD BLESS AMERICA".
    Hi,

    I'm not entirely certain what you mean by being more "explicit" in speaking of the President. I also don't know if you were referring to my post just before yours, in which I stated that he was not in support of the "fairness doctrine", but you may have been referring to something else entirely. Thanks!
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  7.    #67  
    Bujin, I mean that Our President who is "re-building" our country would b e here for our "fairness" in so many ways, to establish health care for the amereicansas is this not fair? To help the economy by putting forth a 1% tax on those making over $65,000 to help our country to bringing home our soldiers fighting to help others in another country is this not fair? There are many ways I will stand b ehind our elected President showing that He IS trying to be fair for us the Americans.
    Hey He even said if you're sick stay home & if you sneeze or cough to cover your mouth--- Didn't our Mothers teach us that when we were young?
    Goodness doesn't THAT sound Fair?
  8. #68  
    Then you have not been keeping up with the politics and statements made by Nancy concerning the Fairness Doctrine. It is not a matter of competing voices having easy access to air time. Look at the strong hold the liberal side has on television as a whole. Turn the TV on and it strikes you directly. There is only one network that has any conservative voices and that is Fox. Fox has its share of liberal voices. However that as it may, Fox is doing well and the others are not. Conservative talk radio is doing well and liberal talk radio does not exist - if the demand were there, it would exist. It has nothing to do with "easy access to air time" trash talk.

    Quote Originally Posted by meyerweb View Post
    Just for the record, the fairness doctrine doesn't exist anymore. It was removed by legislation when Reagan was president and both houses of congress controlled by republicans. Back when Republicans thought they'd be in charge forever, and didn't want competing voices to have easy access to air time.

    I'm not quite sure what point you're making, but as far as talk radio goes conservative personalities far out number liberal ones, so I don't think you have to fear that conservative voices will go away.
  9. #69  
    And rebuilding he is doing - we are now without a doubt a socialist entity. Look though at his popularity rating - it is not as shiny as he leads on. Also take a look at this Fox News link: FACT CHECK: Obama's Job Creation, Deficit Claims Questionable - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com

    Of course this will never appear any where else. With Chrysler doing bankruptcy, another excellent opportunity to take advantage of a crisis.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    Hi,

    I'm not entirely certain what you mean by being more "explicit" in speaking of the President. I also don't know if you were referring to my post just before yours, in which I stated that he was not in support of the "fairness doctrine", but you may have been referring to something else entirely. Thanks!
  10. #70  
    Quote Originally Posted by meyerweb View Post
    Just for the record, the fairness doctrine doesn't exist anymore. It was removed by legislation when Reagan was president and both houses of congress controlled by republicans. Back when Republicans thought they'd be in charge forever, and didn't want competing voices to have easy access to air time.
    This does not compute. Republicans never had control of the House and Senate while Reagan was in office. The had majority in the Senate only for parts of Reagan's term.
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  11. #71  
    Quote Originally Posted by meyerweb View Post
    You're not the only, nor first, to make this argument, but it demonstrates a real lack of knowledge of American history. NO immigrant population has ever assimilated in the first generation. They've only partially assimilated in the second. When the Scandanavians came and eventually settled in the northern plains, the first generation kept their customs and language. Same for the Italians, Germans, Chinese, Jews, Vietnamese, and now Latinos.
    Some of us were even forcibly assimilated. Strange thing was recently I was reading a story about a reservation in Montana subjecting its people to the same sorts of treatments my grandfather described.
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  12.    #72  
    Slow down you guy's, true there are discussions to be made concerning our government but disputing these situations is not to show what an American is.That type of conversation is an arguementitive point one as Americans who voted these people into office all share. So slow down. We are not here to argue. Thanks.
  13. #73  
    Quote Originally Posted by cscoot03 View Post
    Slow down you guy's, true there are discussions to be made concerning our government but disputing these situations is not to show what an American is.
    Says who?
    That type of conversation is an arguementitive point one as Americans who voted these people into office all share. So slow down. We are not here to argue. Thanks.
    Depends on how one defines 'argue'. I'm certainly not here to bicker, but if there's no place in 'America' for reasonable disagreements and rational discussion, then please find me the emigration paperwork.
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  14. #74  
    Thank you I appreciate that. No argue was the wrong word to use & yeas discussions are mandatory in as many ways needed in order to find solutions. Your reply is much needed a very welcome. Thank you for that.
  15. #75  
    Quote Originally Posted by cscoot03 View Post
    Bujin, I mean that Our President who is "re-building" our country would b e here for our "fairness" in so many ways, to establish health care for the amereicansas is this not fair? To help the economy by putting forth a 1% tax on those making over $65,000 to help our country to bringing home our soldiers fighting to help others in another country is this not fair? There are many ways I will stand b ehind our elected President showing that He IS trying to be fair for us the Americans.
    Hey He even said if you're sick stay home & if you sneeze or cough to cover your mouth--- Didn't our Mothers teach us that when we were young?
    Goodness doesn't THAT sound Fair?
    Let me be clear, in case you don't have an understanding of what I said. I didn't make any statements about whether President Obama was "fair" or believed in "fairness", but rather that he opposes specific legislation called the Fairness Doctrine. I agree with the points you are making - just know that the Fairness Doctrine, despite its name, isn't about fairness: it's about whether radio stations should be forced to broadcast both sides of major issues...while that might be "fair", others believe that it restrict free speech.
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  16. #76  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    And rebuilding he is doing - we are now without a doubt a socialist entity.
    Well, just stating it doesn't make it so...you may have no doubts about it, but many others would disagree - as evidenced by the rather convincing victory and the high approval ratings.

    I find it noteworthy that more Americans, for the first time in years, believe that we're on the right track than the wrong track. Since I'd wager that the majority of the country are not socialists, it seems that your opinion does not reflect the mainstream of public opinion.


    Look though at his popularity rating - it is not as shiny as he leads on.
    Again, saying it just doesn't make it so. Approval ratings consistently above 60%, and likability in the 80% range (including more than 50% of Republicans) probably has more credibility than a person on a forum, typing random comments with no data to back it up.
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  17. #77  
    Bujin, not to be rude; however, what has the president really stuck with that he said he would/would not do? His track record with promises is about as close to zero as one could ever get. Talk radio: conservative; television/cable: liberal. I listened to Air America for a VERY short period of time and was exceedingly disappointed with it. AA does not come close to delivering what America wants to hear, if it did deliver what America wants to hear then it would grow. 66 or so stations makes it very plain what America is interested in and Air America is not it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    I think that many folks on either side of the aisle agree with you on this, and the President has stated that he wouldn't support it.
  18. #78  
    bclinger, I'm actually surprised you're arguing with me on the fairness doctrine - if you stopped the ideological rhetoric against our President for half a second, you'd see that he (and I) actually agreed with you on the topic. Is it impossible for you to admit that perhaps Obama and you actually agree on an issue? C'mon, you can do it...it won't give you socialist cooties!

    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Bujin, not to be rude; however, what has the president really stuck with that he said he would/would not do? His track record with promises is about as close to zero as one could ever get.
    Data would seem to show that has stuck to what he said he would do many times. You can look at Politifact (recent Pulitzer Prize winner) for a running record of promises he's made. Here are what Politifact considers his 25 biggest promises: he's broken one, while there are 12 others that he's either kept or are in the works - all in his first 100 days:

    PolitiFact | The Obameter: Obama's Campaign Promises that are about PolitiFact's Top Promises

    Can you cite any reputable, unbaised sources that can back up your assertion that his track record is "as close to zero as one could ever get"? Making hyperbolic comments, with no data to back them up, doesn't actually make them true. It also makes it much harder for your to achieve a level of credibility in your statements.
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  19. #79  
    The St. Petersburg Times is not a middle of the road paper. I am from that area and on occasion still read it. Believe it shows 27 that are not up to par. Maybe an exaggeration on my part; however, for a president that has on many occasions stated transparency, would not have lobbyists, would not prosecute - the list ain't short.
  20.    #80  
    so not to be confused , when I spoke fairness i was not relating to the "Fairness Act", i was relating to being "Fair", therefore fairness. i'm not subjuggating to strict government pieces since there is so much more to speak about. who we are, where we're from, what we do, what we believe. all these relate to our americanism, we are many with many beliefs & rights that all pool together to make our country what it is. our country may be in debt with many clashes between the many societies within our land but together we can make our country regain it's stature or if the disagreements continue it will fall bought by others who rezide ouside the u.s. & we shall fall. if this is what the people want, maybe to be be something else like something else than something far worse will happen & then all will regret for our country - america - will be gone.
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