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    Obama goes on spending excesses despite depressed economy. Signs of good stewardship already...

    http://www.associatedcontent.com/art...uguration.html

    Wouldn't you love to see a detailed breakdown of all the costs? Wouldn't you also love to be able to use some of that money yourself for something as mundane as say, for example, paying a mortgage or a power bill or two or filling your non-custom car with over priced gas, that is if you can even afford a car anymore or even have one at all?

    Even the environmentalists are up in arms over this as well.
    The economy is on the brink of destruction, but Obama okays the record setting $150 million expenditure paid for by the taxpayers. Good work, dems. Yeah, these guys are a LOT better than the repubs. Oh yeah. Pass the coolaid.

    "But maybe it would have made a much bigger impression if Obama had done this a little differently than all the previous presidents and really made a statement about how much he cares about the economy and the people in this country, by really showing how he would be a different kind of president. Wouldn't it have been simpler and more cost effective in this really depressed economy to have a dignified swearing in ceremony for the inauguration, perhaps inside the oval office and have it televised to the nation and the rest of the world? That would have started his term off with a strong individual statement and a hopeful sign of change. Dare to do something a little differently, since what has been done obviously hasn't worked...."


    "Somehow though starting off the trip with an inauguration that costs the country 150 million or more, the largest inauguration price tag in our history is borderline obscene, considering how our country and the rest of the world is faring economically at the moment. Having lived and visited many places I know how people view the excessive spending habits in the United States. This150 million dollar inauguration price tag will feed right into that negative stereotypical image. "Let them eat cake." It is a presidential inauguration and that justifies spending 150 million bucks for a swearing in ceremony? Maybe they could send the leftovers to my local food bank which is growing daily in need. That way I will be able to share in the celebration too in person. I guess the white house forgot to mail me my invitation to the 150 million dollar inauguration events. We already paid the price of admission"
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    Lets see now, the last I heard....300 million people in the country......150 million dollars was spent....hmmmm, I'm afraid I can't get to excited and quibble over 50 cent .
    Besides, I think he deserves to have an inauguration like the 43 that preceded him.
    But then again, I do understand that for some, if he's having more than just red beans and rice for dinner, that would be excessive.... huh?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iago View Post
    Lets see now, the last I heard....300 million people in the country......150 million dollars was spent....hmmmm, I'm afraid I can't get to excited and quibble over 50 cent .
    Good way to look at it. I feel that it's also an investment, as a whole lot of people in the U.S. and around the world will have their eyes on us tomorrow and done right this can more than pay for itself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RickMG View Post
    Good way to look at it. I feel that it's also an investment, as a whole lot of people in the U.S. and around the world will have their eyes on us tomorrow and done right this can more than pay for itself.
    I agree RickMG, This is much more than just about Obama. This is about America and her spirit! 150 milliion? Yes WE can. hahaha
    Iago

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    We can, and we have!

    Go Obama!!!!

    See you tomorrow on the Mall!
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    That's a BS statistic anyway. For the past 43 inaugurations, the cost of security detail has never been figured into the equation, but now all of a sudden the Republicans are including it in order to make Obama look bad at a time of crisis. Bush's inauguration cost $42 million without security detail. Obama's is costing $45 million without security detail, not the inflated numbers that they'd have you believe are so exorbitant compared to years prior.

    It's put best here: http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/...k-this-is.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by jhoff80 View Post
    That's a BS statistic anyway. For the past 43 inaugurations, the cost of security detail has never been figured into the equation, but now all of a sudden the Republicans are including it in order to make Obama look bad at a time of crisis. Bush's inauguration cost $42 million without security detail. Obama's is costing $45 million without security detail, not the inflated numbers that they'd have you believe are so exorbitant compared to years prior.

    It's put best here: http://digbysblog.blogspot.com/2009/...k-this-is.html

    These bottom dwelling righty slugs will stop at nothing -- they will do anything they can muddy Obama's allure. They are driven to counteract the notion that junior and his righty cabal have so damaged america these last 8 years.

    In Washington the right wing media mob is all over this "story" like fungus on a rotting fetid pig.

    I have video of one of their "hitmen" interviewing someone with their leading questions. (I will try to youTube it tomorrow).

    The idea that the left has the vision and the intelligence to lead this country must be sullied ASAP, at any cost in truth.

    They are in panicked fear that ordinary working class voters are going to figure out which party has cynically been exploiting and manipulating them for decades -- all while simultaneously enacting laws and policies that have cost them wages, jobs, and now homes.
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    The other appalling thing that I read today besides the manipulation of that statistic (this one is much worse than that) is that a certain right-wing radio host is bashing people within his own party who are hoping Obama succeeds, and specifically said "I know what his plans are. I hope they don't succeed."

    ... In other words, to quote the site I saw this at, he "would rather see a Second Great Depression than see Obama's plans succeed."
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    Quote Originally Posted by treosensei View Post
    Wouldn't you love to see a detailed breakdown of all the costs?
    When you do they break about the same after inflation as George Bush's

    So you think George Bush is profligate as well?
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    I think most just want people on the left to be a bit consistent in their behavior:

    Quote Originally Posted by Ann Coulter
    Here’s a small sampling of the churlishness in just the New York Times:
    The American public is bemused by the tasteless show-biz extravaganza surrounding Barack Obama’s inauguration today. – There is something to be said for some showiness in an inauguration. But one felt discomfited all the same.
    – This is an inauguration, not a coronation.
    – Is there a parallel between Mrs. Obama’s jewel-toned outfit and somebody else’s glass slippers? Why limousines and not shank’s mare?
    – It is still unclear whether we are supposed to shout “Whoopee!” or “Shame!” about the new elegance the Obamas are bringing to Washington.
    Boy, talk about raining on somebody’s parade! These were not, of course, comments about the inauguration of the angel Obama; they are (slightly edited) comments about the inauguration of another historic president, Ronald Reagan, in January 1981.
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    Unlike many of you, BARYE attended the glorious inaugural Tuesday.

    As a former head of state, BARYE of course had a personal Secret Service escort that enabled him to avoid the usual human riffraff and crowds.

    Doing all he could to suppress his native cynicism, BARYE braved the elements for more than 10 hours to celebrate Obama’s anointment. (And to hold up signs pleading for junior’s arrest )

    (most all of the preceding is true, btw...)
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    (most all of the preceding is true, btw...)
    Ooo, I got it; I know what part isn't true . . . .

    "Unlike many of you, BARYE attended the glorious inaugural Tuesday."


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    Here's your glorious Obama. The sorry SOB wouldn't even put his hand over his heart for the Pledge of Allegiance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DL.Cummings View Post
    I think most just want people on the left to be a bit consistent in their behavior:
    Or perhaps those on the right to be less hypocritical?

    Now that we left the lie that this was out of the ordinary with the funds, and it wasn't we get Coulter's unintelligible rant?

    Coulter is just steamed (poor thing) this is the most popular and well attended inauguration ever.

    You don't think a party is in order for getting rid of the worst president ever?
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    Quote Originally Posted by aero View Post
    Or perhaps those on the right to be less hypocritical?
    Please, that goes for both sides and you know it.

    Now that we left the lie that this was out of the ordinary with the funds, and it wasn't we get Coulter's unintelligible rant?
    I mean if you need a break down because you weren't able to understand it that's fine, just ask. Otherwise, if you actually have a rebuttal that doesn't consist of useless adjectives let me know.

    You don't think a party is in order for getting rid of the worst president ever?
    Warren G Harding has been gone for quite some time now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DL.Cummings View Post

    ...Warren G Harding has been gone for quite some time now.
    You know how I'm always trying to improve myself DL -- and as a Corsican immigrant to your land, your american history is clearly one of my weak spots. So please, if you will be patient enough to teach poor enfeebled old BARYE about this Warren G Harding you talk about -- how is he the worst President in your american history ??

    Did he lead america into a depression ?? into contrived war ?? did he weaken america's standing in the world to the point that it alienated even long standing allies ?? did he through arrogance and malicious secrecy eviscerate your constitution and civil liberties, did he through ignorance set back science and logic ?? did he forestall efforts to begin to slow global warming ?? did he block efforts to improve energy efficiency and support for alternative fuels ?? did he subvert the Justice Department and replace career non partisan prosecutors with political hacks ?? did he prevent efforts to pursue an ongoing negotiation for peace between the Palestinans and Israelis ?? did he transform the largest national budget surplus into the worst national budget deficit ?? Did he vacation for more than a third of his term in office ?? did he ignore warnings that Al Queda intended to attack america ??

    Gosh DL -- this Warren G Harding guy must have been one bad hombre !!
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    Given the suspicion that you are not-so-subtly trying to reference Bush, I'll answer accordingly.

    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    Did he lead america into a depression ??
    No, neither did Bush.

    into contrived war ??
    No; however this question is rather subjective. Considering that many people were for the war in Iraq (which I assume is what you are referencing)--enough to vote him in a second time--this is a matter of opinion and a poor basis for "worst" president.

    did he weaken america's standing in the world to the point that it alienated even long standing allies ??
    According to Encarta, he wasn't in office long enough to make much of an impact; however, he was known for deferring such responsibilities to someone else--not much an admirable trait for a president. Bush has taken full responsibility for his actions. Furthermore, how others view you (be it in society or globally) isn't indicative of being right or wrong. In fact, in many cases (though not all or necessarily this one), going against the flow correlates with doing the right thing.

    did he through arrogance and malicious secrecy eviscerate your constitution and civil liberties
    This is rather a funny one. State that one out loud to yourself: "Secretly eviscerate civil liberties."

    What liberty was eroded that you don't know about? In fact, what constitutional or civil liberty don't you have now that you did before his presidency?


    And the answer to your question is no.

    did he through ignorance set back science and logic ??
    Nope and neither did Bush. I suspect you mean the federal funding for embryonic stem cells (if not please elucidate), in which I would argue that federal funding a) is wrong and b) is not necessary.

    To be clear, I don't favor federal funding for much of anything that isn't directly related to the safety of the nation as a whole.

    did he forestall efforts to begin to slow global warming ??
    Nope and neither did Bush--unless you have evidence that Bush signed legislation stopping or prohibiting the public and private sector from engaging in efforts that might reduce global warming (if you believe in man-made/man-influenced global warming--which I do not).

    Your question here, if more accurate, would look like this:

    Did he forestall efforts to impose, at will of the government, actions that might begin to slow global warming?

    Of course, then the answer would be yes.

    did he block efforts to improve energy efficiency and support for alternative fuels ??
    Same response as the previous answer.

    did he subvert the Justice Department and replace career non partisan prosecutors with political hacks ??
    Is this like asking if he hiree a person who can't figure out how to use Turbo Tax to Secretary of the Treasury?

    did he prevent efforts to pursue an ongoing negotiation for peace between the Palestinans and Israelis ??
    I thought we aren't supposed to meddle in the affairs overseas? Or does this only count when it's something that doesn't go the way one sees fit?

    did he transform the largest national budget surplus into the worst national budget deficit ??
    Okay, well he did a bit o' spending--as to most presidents (including the current one).

    Did he vacation for more than a third of his term in office ??
    No, because he was holding poker games in the White House.

    did he ignore warnings that Al Queda intended to attack america ??
    Ignore, or lack adequate information? Even Wikipedia (you know that right wing bastion) states it aptly:

    However, those arguing that warnings were not clear will note that:
    • specific buildings were unknown
    • specific dates were unknown
    • specific airlines, flights, or planes were unknown
    • the World Trade Center was mentioned in the context of following a 1993 example, not as a definite future target
    • plane hijacking was mentioned in the context of freeing Shaykh Rahman, implying a hostage situation, not using the planes themselves as missiles.
    • the Bin Laden supporters in the U.S. were thought to be planning attacks with explosives, as in all previous bombings by Al-Qaida
    • the use of planes as missiles, while discussed before, had not been attempted by Al-Qaida
    Maybe Bush should have started a guessing game? We could all have texted him and the most text messages would be what we protect?


    Seriously, try again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DL.Cummings View Post
    :I mean if you need a break down because you weren't able to understand it that's fine, just ask.
    OK I understand it and so does all the serious press. You posted a asurdist rant fomr ann coulter. We know she needs a breakdown on numbers.

    The fact is that adjusted for inflation, Obama spent less than bush
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    Oh, I think, it's unresponsible as for USA financial crisis...
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    Quote Originally Posted by DL.Cummings View Post
    Given the suspicion that you are not-so-subtly trying to reference Bush, I'll answer accordingly.


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    I've been traveling DL (in transit back from the inaugural, returning to my home cave in Lahore -- and my mule doesn't have wifi) but I'll respond soon, I promise...
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