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    There's a lot of squabbling over this candidate and that one, who has ties to who, sleeps around, picks their nose, etc.

    The question I want to know, If you are pretty certain about who you are voting for, how well do you actually like the candidate you are voting for?

    I've spoken with various friends and co-workers and most of them are voting for McCain; however, begrudgingly so. In fact, it is probably a safe bet to say they are really voting against Obama and not so much for McCain (as am I).

    What's the additude here?
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    Obama was not my first choice in the primary. I was not impressed with his lack of experience and knew he (Hillary too) would be extremely polarizing. Those concerns aside, McCain v2008 & palin are disturbingly out of the question. Obama offers enough intellect, geo political savvy, leadership ability and plans for the future to keep my democratic vote. Thus my ballot will be cast as a vote for Obama the man, as opposed to an anti-McSame statement.

    McCain v2000 may have convinced me to cast my ballot for a republican ticket for the first time ever, but v2008 + palin is a trainwreck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdxtreo View Post
    Obama was not my first choice in the primary. I was not impressed with his lack of experience and knew he (Hillary too) would be extremely polarizing. Those concerns aside, McCain v2008 & palin are disturbingly out of the question. Obama offers enough intellect, geo political savvy, leadership ability and plans for the future to keep my democratic vote. ...
    mostly we agree --

    I also have a similar and growing respect for Obama's intellect, decency, and civility -- though BARYE's enthusiastic Hillariness is already widely known.

    But as I've made clear in the past, I'd support a mangy flee infested rabid yellow dog with bad breath over almost any republican.


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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post

    ...As I said before NH, Obama will then face a very tough race against McCain and the GOP slime machine.

    After 8 years of war, lies, and scandals -- and the worst economy since the Depression -- a mangy flee infested rabid yellow dog with bad breath ought be able to beat a 92 yr. war supporting conservative in a landslide.

    I expect Obama will win -- but it will be close.

    (BTW -- for the record: I both like and respect Obama -- I only wish he'd have had 8 more years in the Senate before he'd have run -- following Hillary's second successful Presidential term).
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdxtreo View Post
    Obama was not my first choice in the primary. I was not impressed with his lack of experience and knew he (Hillary too) would be extremely polarizing. Those concerns aside, McCain v2008 & palin are disturbingly out of the question. Obama offers enough intellect, geo political savvy, leadership ability and plans for the future to keep my democratic vote. Thus my ballot will be cast as a vote for Obama the man, as opposed to an anti-McSame statement.

    McCain v2000 may have convinced me to cast my ballot for a republican ticket for the first time ever, but v2008 + palin is a trainwreck.
    Good post... I agree as well.

    I was leaning McCain until I started to notice holes in his judgment. The Holiday Gas Plan, the Palin pick, this bailout, he did not have info on his website, info on website not correct (telling people "not" his plan and he would update it), finding out about his past (both personal and professional), his anger issues, listening to his flip-flopping on issues, etc, etc....

    McCain is definitely not ready. He needs to come back in 2016.

    I can not fathom anyone voting against obama/Biden combo. It does not make good sense. Not given the McCain/Palin combo. Most republicans I know (in NC) are either not voting, or voting Barr or Obama.

    At this point in time, I honestly believe Obama is the correct choice. He seems to have a plan and does not shoot from the hip. 300 billion? What was McSame thinking? How in the hell can anyone vote for him... it is crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    300 billion? What was McSame thinking? How in the hell can anyone vote for him... it is crazy.

    I have to admit, that was really hard to swallow, let alone digest. Believe it or not, I have considered voting third party--though my perspectives are causing me woes with that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    mostly we agree --

    I also have a similar and growing respect for Obama's intellect, decency, and civility -- though BARYE's enthusiastic Hillariness is already widely known.

    But as I've made clear in the past, I'd support a mangy flee infested rabid yellow dog with bad breath over almost any republican.
    BARYE:

    You and I agree more than you know......on almost everything except when in comes to Hillary's failed run at the White House. I was just attempting to show DL a little respect. My view of v2000 was probably a little overstated. Its just that old McCain now seems so much more viable when compared to v2008.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdxtreo View Post
    BARYE:

    You and I agree more than you know......on almost everything except when in comes to Hillary's failed run at the White House. I was just attempting to show DL a little respect. My view of v2000 was probably a little overstated. That McCain now seems so much more viable when compared to v2008.:sad:
    I'm from SC... I remember the "illegitimate black child" hoopla.

    I've always thought that was unfortunate.

    Kinda ironic though... in a sick kinda way. lol
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    Shoot, I am from OR and I remember that despicable smear campaign perpetrated by Turd Blossom.
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    Wow, this is not surprising at all. Each of you is ignoring the scandal and associations of Obama's not too distant past. His associations with Bill Ayers, the people from Fannie Mae and Fannie Mac and his inability not to follow the party line. The man has shown NO leadership, has not accomplished anything and watch as the ACORN and Bill Ayers sagas continue to unfold.

    To answer the question though, none are good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Wow, this is not surprising at all.
    Neither is your post.

    Feel free to answer the question rather than polluting yet another thread with your repetitive drivel.
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    I did answer the question, look at tad bit closer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    To answer the question though, none are good.
    That is the issue... you don't have a though... you don't have a candidate.

    You sling mud at obama because of your prejudices. No other reason. At least you have toned down your racist remarks that got you repeatedly called on the carpet time and time again.

    For the life of me I don't understand people like you....
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    I'm from SC... I remember the "illegitimate black child" hoopla.
    I just moved to SC/NC (border) and did a cursory search on that issue. Amazing, is all I can say.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DL.Cummings View Post
    I just moved to SC/NC (border) and did a cursory search on that issue. Amazing, is all I can say.
    That sunk McCain and got Bush into the White House.

    But McCain also had other issues and Bush/Rove were "silently" attacking him left and right.

    Unlike obama or Romney or Huckabby (sp?), Bush/Rove held no reserves in pointing out McCain's past to the conservatives. Obama is stepping it up a bit, but he is being careful and attempting to seem "factual" in his attacks.

    Bomb, Bomb, Bomb Iran was a classic... McCain almost **** himself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    That sunk McCain and got Bush into the White House.

    But McCain also had other issues and Bush/Rove were "silently" attacking him left and right.
    It was a pivotal moment in McShame's career. Instead of putting country first...heck even the honor of his family first....McShame put his tail between his legs and went on to kiss Bush a$$ on the campaign trail.

    Then he pretended to be mad at Bush for the next four years - while voting with the guy over 91% of the time - and by 2004 the Straight Talk Express had completely derailed as McShame knew that he had to pander to the evangelicals he had previously claimed were offensive and compromise his disdain for torture. This guy should be the President of IHop given how much he has flip-flopped - not the President of the US.

    He is now an erratic, pandering sellout that is no maverick at all - rather just a win at all costs - slandering, lying neo-con.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post

    ...This guy should be the President of IHop given how much he has flip-flopped - not the President of the US.

    He is now an erratic, pandering sellout that is no maverick at all - rather just a win at all costs - slandering, lying neo-con.
    ahh -- I think you're being unfair Moderateinny.

    Being President of IHop is no small thing. The current President of IHop is a woman, and is doing a very fine job.

    Carly Fiorina -- the former head of HP, has bluntly said that McShame was not qualified to run a company like HP.

    And she should know -- she's a woman, and a former spokesperson for McShame ...
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    Bush/Palin '08!
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    This endorsement for Obama from Christopher Buckley sums it up pretty well from my vantage point. He is pulling the lever for a Dem for the first time in his life - and his reasons cannot have been better said.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...e-for-obama/p/

    Sorry, Dad, I'm Voting for Obama
    by Christopher Buckley
    October 10, 2008 | 7:33am

    The son of William F. Buckley has decided—shock!—to vote for a Democrat.

    Let me be the latest conservative/libertarian/whatever to leap onto the Barack Obama bandwagon. It’s a good thing my dear old mum and pup are no longer alive. They’d cut off my allowance.

    Or would they? But let’s get that part out of the way. The only reason my vote would be of any interest to anyone is that my last name happens to be Buckley—a name I inherited. So in the event anyone notices or cares, the headline will be: “William F. Buckley’s Son Says He Is Pro-Obama.” I know, I know: It lacks the throw-weight of “Ron Reagan Jr. to Address Democratic Convention,” but it’ll have to do.


    Dear Pup once said to me, “You know, I’ve spent my entire life time separating the Right from the kooks.”

    I am—drum roll, please, cue trumpets—making this announcement in the cyberpages of The Daily Beast (what joy to be writing for a publication so named!) rather than in the pages of National Review, where I write the back-page column. For a reason: My colleague, the superb and very dishy Kathleen Parker, recently wrote in National Review Online a column stating what John Cleese as Basil Fawlty would call “the bleeding obvious”: namely, that Sarah Palin is an embarrassment, and a dangerous one at that. She’s not exactly alone. New York Times columnist David Brooks, who began his career at NR, just called Governor Palin “a cancer on the Republican Party.”

    As for Kathleen, she has to date received 12,000 (quite literally) foam-at-the-mouth hate-emails. One correspondent, if that’s quite the right word, suggested that Kathleen’s mother should have aborted her and tossed the fetus into a Dumpster. There’s Socratic dialogue for you. Dear Pup once said to me sighfully after a right-winger who fancied himself a WFB protégé had said something transcendently and provocatively cretinous, “You know, I’ve spent my entire life time separating the Right from the kooks.” Well, the dear man did his best. At any rate, I don’t have the kidney at the moment for 12,000 emails saying how good it is he’s no longer alive to see his Judas of a son endorse for the presidency a covert Muslim who pals around with the Weather Underground. So, you’re reading it here first.


    As to the particulars, assuming anyone gives a fig, here goes:

    I have known John McCain personally since 1982. I wrote a well-received speech for him. Earlier this year, I wrote in The New York Times—I’m beginning to sound like Paul Krugman, who cannot begin a column without saying, “As I warned the world in my last column...”—a highly favorable Op-Ed about McCain, taking Rush Limbaugh and the others in the Right Wing Sanhedrin to task for going after McCain for being insufficiently conservative. I don’t—still—doubt that McCain’s instincts remain fundamentally conservative. But the problem is otherwise.

    McCain rose to power on his personality and biography. He was authentic. He spoke truth to power. He told the media they were “jerks” (a sure sign of authenticity, to say nothing of good taste; we are jerks). He was real. He was unconventional. He embraced former anti-war leaders. He brought resolution to the awful missing-POW business. He brought about normalization with Vietnam—his former torturers! Yes, he erred in accepting plane rides and vacations from Charles Keating, but then, having been cleared on technicalities, groveled in apology before the nation. He told me across a lunch table, “The Keating business was much worse than my five and a half years in Hanoi, because I at least walked away from that with my honor.” Your heart went out to the guy. I thought at the time, God, this guy should be president someday.

    A year ago, when everyone, including the man I’m about to endorse, was caterwauling to get out of Iraq on the next available flight, John McCain, practically alone, said no, no—bad move. Surge. It seemed a suicidal position to take, an act of political bravery of the kind you don’t see a whole lot of anymore.

    But that was—sigh—then. John McCain has changed. He said, famously, apropos the Republican debacle post-1994, “We came to Washington to change it, and Washington changed us.” This campaign has changed John McCain. It has made him inauthentic. A once-first class temperament has become irascible and snarly; his positions change, and lack coherence; he makes unrealistic promises, such as balancing the federal budget “by the end of my first term.” Who, really, believes that? Then there was the self-dramatizing and feckless suspension of his campaign over the financial crisis. His ninth-inning attack ads are mean-spirited and pointless. And finally, not to belabor it, there was the Palin nomination. What on earth can he have been thinking?

    All this is genuinely saddening, and for the country is perhaps even tragic, for America ought, really, to be governed by men like John McCain—who have spent their entire lives in its service, even willing to give the last full measure of their devotion to it. If he goes out losing ugly, it will be beyond tragic, graffiti on a marble bust.

    As for Senator Obama: He has exhibited throughout a “first-class temperament,” pace Oliver Wendell Holmes, Jr.’s famous comment about FDR. As for his intellect, well, he’s a Harvard man, though that’s sure as heck no guarantee of anything, these days. Vietnam was brought to you by Harvard and (one or two) Yale men. As for our current adventure in Mesopotamia, consider this lustrous alumni roster. Bush 43: Yale. Rumsfeld: Princeton. Paul Bremer: Yale and Harvard. What do they all have in common? Andover! The best and the brightest.

    I’ve read Obama’s books, and they are first-rate. He is that rara avis, the politician who writes his own books. Imagine. He is also a lefty. I am not. I am a small-government conservative who clings tenaciously and old-fashionedly to the idea that one ought to have balanced budgets. On abortion, gay marriage, et al, I’m libertarian. I believe with my sage and epigrammatic friend P.J. O’Rourke that a government big enough to give you everything you want is also big enough to take it all away.

    But having a first-class temperament and a first-class intellect, President Obama will (I pray, secularly) surely understand that traditional left-politics aren’t going to get us out of this pit we’ve dug for ourselves. If he raises taxes and throws up tariff walls and opens the coffers of the DNC to bribe-money from the special interest groups against whom he has (somewhat disingenuously) railed during the campaign trail, then he will almost certainly reap a whirlwind that will make Katrina look like a balmy summer zephyr.

    Obama has in him—I think, despite his sometimes airy-fairy “We are the people we have been waiting for” silly rhetoric—the potential to be a good, perhaps even great leader. He is, it seems clear enough, what the historical moment seems to be calling for.

    So, I wish him all the best. We are all in this together. Necessity is the mother of bipartisanship. And so, for the first time in my life, I’ll be pulling the Democratic lever in November. As the saying goes, God save the United States of America.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    This endorsement for Obama from Christopher Buckley sums it up pretty well from my vantage point. He is pulling the lever for a Dem for the first time in his life - and his reasons cannot have been better said.

    http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-a...e-for-obama/p/
    For me as well - I have never, in the six Presidential elections since I turned 18, voted for a Democratic candidate. This will be an exception, for exactly the reasons Mr. Buckley describes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    For me as well - I have never, in the six Presidential elections since I turned 18, voted for a Democratic candidate. This will be an exception, for exactly the reasons Mr. Buckley describes.
    Thank you for putting country before party and rationality before ideology. Seriously.
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