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  1. #81  
    Ashamed to support and fight for your country? Bubba, Never mind. I am with Theog 100% on this one. Freedom is worth fighting and dying for.
  2.    #82  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Ashamed to support and fight for your country? Bubba, Never mind. I am with Theog 100% on this one. Freedom is worth fighting and dying for.
    Don't even go there Ben. I know you never served - and I know I have. So sit your chickenhawk a$$ down and don't even go there.

    I'm ashamed of you and people like you that have divided this country and are trying to do it again to win an election and further their ideology. And yes, if I had to fight you for our freedoms I'd be the first in line to do so. You are not a patriot, you're an ideologue and I and many others fought for your right to spew your non-nonsensical hatred.
  3. #83  
    ^The truth hurts.
  4. #84  
    The truth does not hurt at all. I never said or indicated I served. I was not able to pass the vision test. Being the only male in the family not to serve was a bummer, so after some looking around, I started with an electronics company and was sent to Asia on an assignment that included time spent there. As part of the assignment I did receive training very similar to what those serving in the military received. The time spent there involved front-line work for a period of time before being transferred to another location. After that, law enforcement work.

    So, let me frank, freedom is worth fighting and dying for. Your statement goes to show how narrow minded and confrontational you have become. I really doubt you have the nerve to say that law enforcement work is not an important function in this country.

    I will say something though that you would never say - Mod, thank you for the service you performed for this country, it is greatly appreciated.
  5.    #85  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post

    I really doubt you have the nerve to say that law enforcement work is not an important function in this country.
    You may be surprised to know I was in law enforcement after I exited the military. Yup..its true. Surprised? So I know a few things about being a cop myself because I was one. And I would also add that I have great appreciation for the black and blue as it is a thankless job. I left once I finished my first degree in computers, but it was an interesting experience.

    I will say something though that you would never say - Mod, thank you for the service you performed for this country, it is greatly appreciated.
    I humbly accept your appreciation and thank you for your service in law enforcement.

    I can only hope you're not wearing your uniform to McCain rallies and pulling over folks with Obama stickers on their cars. TIC
  6. #86  
    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    I can only hope you're not wearing your uniform to McCain rallies and pulling over folks with Obama stickers on their cars. TIC
    The thought of him with power -- and a gun -- is scary. But it fits.
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  7. #87  
    No, are you going to wear yours?

    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    You may be surprised to know I was in law enforcement after I exited the military. Yup..its true. Surprised? So I know a few things about being a cop myself because I was one. And I would also add that I have great appreciation for the black and blue as it is a thankless job. I left once I finished my first degree in computers, but it was an interesting experience.



    I humbly accept your appreciation and thank you for your service in law enforcement.

    I can only hope you're not wearing your uniform to McCain rallies and pulling over folks with Obama stickers on their cars. TIC
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    After reading this entire thread, I have finally decided to vote for McCain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dim-Ize View Post
    After reading this entire thread, I have finally decided to vote for McCain.
    A thread on a Palm Treo forum decided the way you'll vote for the President of the United States? Well at least you do more reading than Sarah Palin.
  10.    #90  
    Lousy Cell Phone Reception on Your New Treo? Well apparently you can get Verizon and AT&T to bring a portable cell phone tower right to your home to improve reception!

    One small catch: you need to be a senior member of the Senate commerce committee, which oversees the Federal Communications Commission, and should have a Presidential campaign chocked full of Verizon and AT&T lobbyist to help you out.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/was...e_cell_to.html

    Sen. John McCain and his campaign have close ties to Verizon and AT&T. Five campaign officials, including manager Rick Davis, have worked as lobbyists for Verizon. Former McCain staff member Robert Fisher is an in-house lobbyist for Verizon and is volunteering for the campaign. Fisher, Verizon chief executive Ivan G. Seidenberg and company lobbyists have raised more than $1.3 million for McCain's presidential effort, and Verizon employees are among the top 20 corporate donors over McCain's political career, giving his campaigns more than $155,000.


    McCain's Senate chief of staff Mark Buse, senior strategist Charles R. Black Jr. and several other campaign staff members have registered as AT&T lobbyists in the past. AT&T Executive Vice President Timothy McKone and AT&T lobbyists have raised more than $2.3 million for McCain. AT&T employees have donated more than $325,000 to the Republican's campaigns, putting the company in the No. 3 spot for career donations to McCain, according to the nonpartisan Center for Responsive Politics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    Lousy Cell Phone Reception on Your New Treo? Well apparently you can get Verizon and AT&T to bring a portable cell phone tower right to your home to improve reception!

    One small catch: you need to be a senior member of the Senate commerce committee, which oversees the Federal Communications Commission, and should have a Presidential campaign chocked full of Verizon and AT&T lobbyist to help you out.

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/was...e_cell_to.html
    McShame -- using his Senate position to get special treatment -- basic run of the mill sleaze:


    Verizon and AT&T Provided Cell Towers for McCain Ranch

    ...Documents that The Washington Post obtained from Arizona's Yavapai County under state public records law show how Verizon hired contractors to put a tower on the property (see letter). At that point, many counted McCain out of the race...

    ...Construction costs would be $22,000, records show. Industry specialists said the figure probably only covers the tower and fence because the antennas, the dish and power source would run the cost into the six figures...

    Coverage maps submitted by Verizon to the county show that the tower would fill gaps in unpopulated parts of Coconino National Forest and on about 20 parcels of land, including a handful of residences, and two small businesses open only by appointment. "We are not big cell phone users," said neighbor Linda Kappel, who runs a small gift shop.

    "It is a fairly sparsely populated in that pocket along Oak Creek," said Kathy Houchin, the Yavapai County permitting manager.

    Three telecommunications specialists consulted by The Post said the proposed site covers so few users that it is unlikely to generate enough traffic to justify the investment. Robb Alarcon, an industry specialist who helps plan tower placement, said the proposed location appeared to be a "strategic build," free-of-charge coverage to high-priority customers. A former Verizon executive vice president, who asked not to be named because he worked for the company, agreed with Alarcon, saying, "It was a VIP kind of thing."
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  12. #93  
    Nah, no one else routinely uses them. To limit ones reading is self defeating.
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    Well aside from McShame's obvious disdain for lobbyist....NOT. It seems he is quite cozy with telecom lobbyist. So much so that he has 23 telecom industry lobbyist working for his campaign!

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...obbyists_N.htm

    Of the 66 current or former lobbyists working for the Arizona senator or raising money for his presidential campaign, 23 have lobbied for telecommunications companies in the past decade, Senate lobbying disclosures show.
    In addition to his love of telecom lobbyist are strange behavioral patterns...such as supporting a bill that his lobbyist buddies were pushing and now a couple of free cell towers. Coincidence? Or would you like to buy a bridge to nowhere that Sarah Palin has up for sale?

    http://www.usatoday.com/news/politic...terstitialskip
  14. #95  
    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    McShame -- using his Senate position to get special treatment -- basic run of the mill sleaze:
    So what?

    Unless you have a dollar amount that the taxpayers payed for any "extra" services, then I see nothing in the article that is out of line.
    No problem should ever be solved twice.

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  15. #96  
    Quote Originally Posted by DL.Cummings View Post
    So what?

    Unless you have a dollar amount that the taxpayers payed for any "extra" services, then I see nothing in the article that is out of line.
    there's a little trial ongoing right now in Washington -- stars that Alaskan heart throb Ted Stevens.

    Seems he got a nice upgrade to his house back in Alaska. Didn't cost the tax payers a cent.

    Didn't cost ol' Ted much neither.

    There in is the rub though -- when you're a powerful guy, others want you as their friend -- they might even give you gifts because they think you're such a sweet fella.

    No doubt McShame is a dear dear friend to Verizon and all their lobbyist cronies. No doubt they think ol' John's a real sweet fella.

    No harm no foul ...
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  16. #97  
    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    there's a little trial ongoing right now in Washington -- stars that Alaskan heart throb Ted Stevens.

    Seems he got a nice upgrade to his house back in Alaska. Didn't cost the tax payers a cent.

    Didn't cost ol' Ted much neither.

    There in is the rub though -- when you're a powerful guy, others want you as their friend -- they might even give you gifts because they think you're such a sweet fella.

    No doubt McShame is a dear dear friend to Verizon and all their lobbyist cronies. No doubt they think ol' John's a real sweet fella.

    No harm no foul ...

    So let me get this straight:

    Because a fellow senator allegedly (he's not been convicted yet) did not fill out the appropriate paperwork for gifts received, it is acceptable to:

    a) call another senator "run of the mill sleaze"

    b) use that as fodder to slander another senator by suggesting legal impropriety over something that not only hasn't happened, but doesn't even have an associated legal inquiry


    You guys are absolutely amazing. First you cry and whine when people yammer on and on about how Obama may have ties to this person or that group. You claim with all your might how we need to stick to the issues and not drag up non-issues, yet are happily content in suggesting legal impropriety with absolutely ZERO evidence.

    Even more, the link submitted contained the following points:

    Over the past year, she offered land for a permanent cell tower, and Verizon Wireless embarked on an expensive public process to meet her needs, hiring contractors and seeking county land-use permits.

    Cindy McCain signed a contract with Verizon on May 6 (see document), granting free use of her property for a year in exchange for "the benefits of enhanced wireless communications arising from operation of the Facility."
    And MSNBC notes the following:

    “The campaign has been informed that the Verizon Wireless temporary facility was specifically requested by the Secret Service pursuant to their existing contract with Verizon Wireless, and that AT&T decided to install a similar one to service its customers during this period. These were decisions by the companies involved and the Secret Service, and not the McCain campaign.”
    While I don't know the full legal limits in such matters, giving up one's land in exchange for a tower is a far cry from a company remodeling your home.

    moderateinny, BAYRE . . . you both are absolute hypocrites. Both of you have plenty of posts criticizing the associations that Obama is dealing with and then you engage in this tripe? Please.
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  17.    #98  
    Quote Originally Posted by DL.Cummings View Post
    So let me get this straight:

    Because a fellow senator allegedly (he's not been convicted yet) did not fill out the appropriate paperwork for gifts received, it is acceptable to:

    a) call another senator "run of the mill sleaze"

    b) use that as fodder to slander another senator by suggesting legal impropriety over something that not only hasn't happened, but doesn't even have an associated legal inquiry


    You guys are absolutely amazing. First you cry and whine when people yammer on and on about how Obama may have ties to this person or that group. You claim with all your might how we need to stick to the issues and not drag up non-issues, yet are happily content in suggesting legal impropriety with absolutely ZERO evidence.

    Even more, the link submitted contained the following points:


    And MSNBC notes the following:


    While I don't know the full legal limits in such matters, giving up one's land in exchange for a tower is a far cry from a company remodeling your home.

    moderateinny, BAYRE . . . you both are absolute hypocrites. Both of you have plenty of posts criticizing the associations that Obama is dealing with and then you engage in this tripe? Please.
    Slow down there sparky. While I am relishing in the trial of Ted-the-internet-is-a-series-of-tubes-Stevens, I actually think they have a very weak case against him and he'll likely be exonerated.

    Also, this thread is about McShame's associations. If you'd like to talk about Obamas, it seems to me there are plenty of threads that have attempted to do that....albeit, rather poorly since nobody can ever substantiate most of the claims.

    Oh and I'll take your name calling and raise you one later when I need to. Just don't snivel too loudly when I do please.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    Slow down there sparky. While I am relishing in the trial of Ted-the-internet-is-a-series-of-tubes-Stevens, I actually think they have a very weak case against him and he'll likely be exonerated.
    To be fair, that particular point was more directed at BAYRE, most apologies for not making the explicit distinction.

    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    Also, this thread is about McShame's associations. If you'd like to talk about Obamas, it seems to me there are plenty of threads that have attempted to do that....albeit, rather poorly since nobody can ever substantiate most of the claims.
    I don't recall making even one post critisizing Obama for having these associations; recalling correctly, my complaint was what I felt him not fully owning up to having them.

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    only one of our candidates is trying to sweep their connection under the rug . . . and THAT I find scary as hell.

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    Play along like Barack was completely innocent and new nothing about this man. But serving together in two organizations, being invited to his home for his "political coming out" and a number of national papers identifying the man says Obama is playing dumb as are his foolish supporters.

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    First, he described a man as an uncle, but somehow wasn't familiar with how his uncle believed; now, he pretends to have barely known Ayers.

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    For me it’s a matter of how each candidate has handled these alleged improprieties.

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    It's so weird though, because I simply never tried to convince anyone that Obama should have decided to refrain from working with Ayers.

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    I'm sure I can go on, but hopefully the point will stick this time. His associations are of no concern to me, it's his blatant dishonesty.


    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    Oh and I'll take your name calling and raise you one later when I need to. Just don't snivel too loudly when I do please.
    Fair enough. Make sure the shoe fits as it does here . . . that is, unless you'd like to defend your implication of legal impropriety on part of McCain. Furthermore, it's a stretch to claim the Federal Communications Commision and lobbyist are some sort of "troublesome association" and you know it.
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  19.    #100  
    Quote Originally Posted by DL.Cummings View Post
    To be fair, that particular point was more directed at BAYRE, most apologies for not making the explicit distinction.
    OK

    I'm sure I can go on, but hopefully the point will stick this time. His associations are of no concern to me, it's his blatant dishonesty.
    It doesn't "stick" because I disagree with the premise that he is blatantly dishonest.

    Fair enough. Make sure the shoe fits as it does here . . .
    OK

    that is, unless you'd like to defend your implication of legal impropriety on part of McCain. Furthermore, it's a stretch to claim the Federal Communications Commission and lobbyist are some sort of "troublesome association" and you know it.
    I don't think its a stretch at all. And if it were Obama, you'd be screaming bloody murder about this. When a senator with heavy lobbyist ties to the telecom industry supports bills favoring said industry, and then, when running for President with 23 telecom lobbyist on his staff, the senator ends up with outrageous favoritism (thousands or dollars worth of mobile cell towers) loaned to him, then I think it smacks of good ole' boy politics at the very least. And given McShames Bush-like claims that he'll restore dignity to the office and "you'll know their names" I think he is a friggin' hypocrite as well.

    BTW - How did McShame handle the John Hagee situation? How did he handle the Gordon Liddy situation?
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