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  1. #21  
    Ok, fine. If not an adviser, the links are there. Look at them as running the company and look at the money Obama took from them during that period - 2nd highest amount of money taken. Whether or not one wants to admit it, the connection is there.
  2. #22  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Ok, fine. If not an adviser, the links are there. Look at them as running the company and look at the money Obama took from them during that period - 2nd highest amount of money taken. Whether or not one wants to admit it, the connection is there.
    Unless you have facts to back up your claims using one of the links mentioned in this thread, then you ought not post anything.
  3. #23  
    Iraqi FM claims Obama NEVER asked to delay the security agreement for political gain.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...iraqi-fm-says/
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Ok, fine. If not an adviser, the links are there. Look at them as running the company and look at the money Obama took from them during that period - 2nd highest amount of money taken. Whether or not one wants to admit it, the connection is there.
    The Washington Post's Fact Checker page had an interesting article on the flimsy 'connection' between Raines and Obama, as well as the underlying racial message:

    http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fac...onnection.html
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  5. #25  
    No need to post, just take a few moments to check it out via Google or whatever floats your empty boat. We both know the truth.

    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    Unless you have facts to back up your claims using one of the links mentioned in this thread, then you ought not post anything.
  6. #26  
    When you have a person, Obama, the 2nd largest receiver of FM donations and there is a person named Raines in charge, there really is a link there. Deny it if you want, but the link is still there. Going further, it is there with the others also.
  7. #27  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    No need to post, just take a few moments to check it out via Google or whatever floats your empty boat. We both know the truth.
    Just as I thought - you don't have any links. You have lies and myths.

    Thank you for confirming.
  8. #28  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    When you have a person, Obama, the 2nd largest receiver of FM donations and there is a person named Raines in charge, there really is a link there. Deny it if you want, but the link is still there. Going further, it is there with the others also.
    Another thread polluted by the local right-wing garbage man.

    If you have no way to back up your claims, then stay out of the thread.

    Obviously, you have no supporting data.
  9. #29  
    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    Another thread polluted by the local right-wing garbage man.

    If you have no way to back up your claims, then stay out of the thread.

    Obviously, you have no supporting data.
    I think it's funny that I posted an actual article regarding the untrue allegation regarding Raines, and the response is "but there is a link, google it". I guess if an allegation is repeated enough, it starts to look like a fact.

    Factheck.org's entry regarding Raines et al:

    http://www.factcheck.org/askfactchec..._economic.html
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    It is amazing how everyone here is just ignoring the link regardless of the fact that Raines was involved with the company and Obama was the 2nd largest recipient of donations with the intention that the more given, the more received, the less he would look at them. Amazing.
  11. #31  
    OK guys can we tone down the hostilities a bit.

    If you keep it up at this rate I will have no choice but to close this thread.

    Please refrain from namecalling (both sides!) and if you claim a fact back it up by a reliable source ('google it' will not do).

    Thanks.
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  12. #32  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    It is amazing how everyone here is just ignoring the link regardless of the fact that Raines was involved with the company and Obama was the 2nd largest recipient of donations with the intention that the more given, the more received, the less he would look at them. Amazing.
    The question isn't whether Raines was involved with the company, but whether he was an advisor for Obama. He clearly wasn't.
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  13. #33  
    Ok, then I accept the statement that he was not an adviser (spelling). Taking it from there though, the connection is still there with each of these people. Contributions from them while they were in power and Obama being the 2nd largest recipient. The connection there is very plain.

    As for as the Google it, really it does work, as it an interested person take the time to look and gosh, what they find as far as differing opinions.
  14. #34  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Ok, then I accept the statement that he was not an adviser (spelling). Taking it from there though, the connection is still there with each of these people. Contributions from them while they were in power and Obama being the 2nd largest recipient. The connection there is very plain.

    As for as the Google it, really it does work, as it an interested person take the time to look and gosh, what they find as far as differing opinions.
    Speaking of reading....this thread is fairly straight forward Ben. Hobbes put it here as a place to do "reality checks" and he offered some sites that tend to be more neutral than say, Huffington Post or Michelle Malkin.

    Now I've abide by the rules and used those sources to debunk a couple of lines of attack you've been leveling in every thread on the OT forum. To which, you've proceeded to continue to basically say, "...I'm not always going to answer the questions you've asked" and pretty much made your own rules (sounds familiar).

    Put up or shut up. Or I appeal to the moderator to politely ask you to leave this thread if you cannot play by the rules.
    Last edited by moderateinny; 10/14/2008 at 01:59 PM.
  15. #35  
    Answering questions? There is one that I have posted twice in another forum about Biden - asked in a manner of putting yourself in the position of the truck driver who does not drink at all and then someone such as Biden comes along and accuses you of drinking or being drunk...remember about answering questions. You hop scotched all over the place on that. Thank you for the reminder about answering questions. One site that discusses it is http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2...-accident.html. There are others - the question again, if you were the truck driver...no drinking...would you deserve an apology? or just him get away with saying whatever he wants/

    Moderator, maybe both Moderateinny and I should both be banned from this thread....
  16. #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Answering questions? There is one that I have posted twice in another forum about Biden - asked in a manner of putting yourself in the position of the truck driver who does not drink at all and then someone such as Biden comes along and accuses you of drinking or being drunk...remember about answering questions. You hop scotched all over the place on that. Thank you for the reminder about answering questions. One site that discusses it is http://advanceindiana.blogspot.com/2...-accident.html. There are others - the question again, if you were the truck driver...no drinking...would you deserve an apology? or just him get away with saying whatever he wants/

    Moderator, maybe both Moderateinny and I should both be banned from this thread....
    Let me see if I get this straight. I posted two links from two sites listed as credible fact checking sites in this thread to debunk two common myths about Obama. You've repeatedly posted nothing but rhetoric in response and cannot provide a single link to substantiate your claims that these myths are true. And when pressed again, you now claim its my fault that you didn't respond to my two links by failing to address your unsubstantiated claims about Biden...that was in a completely different thread? And you think that I should be banned from this thread? That is rich.
    Last edited by moderateinny; 10/15/2008 at 03:12 PM.
  17. #37  
    better option: thread closed.
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