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    Here are a few quotes taken from an interview with Billy bong recently. See what you think about these...

    "CLINTON HOLDS COURT AND RUNS AMOK WITH HIS MOUTH

    How did Bill Clinton get away with a string of sexual innuendo, passive aggressiveness and poor word choice?

    Clinton told reporters Monday at his Clinton Global Initiative meeting he understood why Americans relate to the Palin family, but his arguments were a bit peculiar.

    BAD
    On Palin: He said, "I come from Arkansas; I get why she's hot out there."

    WORSE
    On Palin's pregnant and unwed teenage daughter: "I'm glad she loves her daughter and she's not ashamed of her."

    UNBELIEVABLY BAD!
    On Palin's handicapped infant son: "I like that little Down syndrome kid. One of them lives down the street."

    - Lil Billy Clinton

    The scene evokes Matt Dillon's big-toothed character in "There's Something About Mary" when pretending to impress Mary and her mentally retarded brother, he utters the famous line, "Those goofy bastards are about the best thing I've got going."

    I suppose when you're the host of your own conference, you can say anything. How he got away with such appaling quips is hard to figure. Must have been one hell of a buffet in the press lounge.


    What kind of person makes comments like these? This is the great one many democrats love and revere? wow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by logmein View Post
    Here are a few quotes taken from an interview with Billy bong recently. See what you think about these...

    "CLINTON HOLDS COURT AND RUNS AMOK WITH HIS MOUTH

    How did Bill Clinton get away with a string of sexual innuendo, passive aggressiveness and poor word choice?

    Clinton told reporters Monday at his Clinton Global Initiative meeting he understood why Americans relate to the Palin family, but his arguments were a bit peculiar.

    BAD
    On Palin: He said, "I come from Arkansas; I get why she's hot out there."

    WORSE
    On Palin's pregnant and unwed teenage daughter: "I'm glad she loves her daughter and she's not ashamed of her."

    UNBELIEVABLY BAD!
    On Palin's handicapped infant son: "I like that little Down syndrome kid. One of them lives down the street."

    - Lil Billy Clinton

    The scene evokes Matt Dillon's big-toothed character in "There's Something About Mary" when pretending to impress Mary and her mentally retarded brother, he utters the famous line, "Those goofy bastards are about the best thing I've got going."

    I suppose when you're the host of your own conference, you can say anything. How he got away with such appaling quips is hard to figure. Must have been one hell of a buffet in the press lounge.


    What kind of person makes comments like these? This is the great one many democrats love and revere? wow.
    since you're not providing cites -- its pointless to react...
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    Typical Bill and since no one has ever tasked him, no one really cares. Like any politician he says what he wants when the need is there.
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    The point of Bill’s multiple TV appearances is very clear.

    He wants to improve his legacy and position Hillary for another run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by g.711 View Post
    The point of Billís multiple TV appearances is very clear.

    He wants to improve his legacy and position Hillary for another run.
    Until they get their a$$e$ in gear and start seriously campaigning for Obama, they are dead to the Party.
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    Does anyone really doubt that the Clinton's really do not want Obama to win? Told you so is her strategy for the next run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Does anyone really doubt that the Clinton's really do not want Obama to win? Told you so is her strategy for the next run.
    "Told you so" will mean nothing without her and Bill making an honest effort to help the Party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    Until they get their a$$e$ in gear and start seriously campaigning for Obama, they are dead to the Party.
    ever so pretty please -- may we so give them a break ...

    Anything less than a Mayan Preistal bloodletting will clearly be insufficient for you.
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    BTW -- I think I should mention for those of you who are not now and will likely never be, members of the Mayan Preisthood -- that this is a ritual that is, let me put this delicately --- gender specific.

    And from personal experience I can assure you all that it reveals a deep vein of commitment and passion for the objective one is beseeching on behalf of.
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    Did any of you see Bill Clinton on television today?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Did any of you see Bill Clinton on television today?
    He looked great.

    Much better than Bush did. Bush was pleading for Americans to push for the bail out.

    Bush said, "Hello my fellow Americans. I have failed as a President, and now I need your help to save my legacy. Listen, I know Bill Clinton handed me a great economy and I've totally screwed it up. That is why I come to you asking for billions of dollars to spend here in the United States. I know what you are thinking, we already spend billions of dollars each month outside the US in Iraq and Afganistan. You are right, but the trillion -- I mean billions that I am asking for today is to help our fellow Americans keep their jobs.

    We are in a state of emergency. Lines at the gas pumps is a good example of the situation I've put us in. Oh, yea, if you want more of the same, vote McCain!"
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    Quote Originally Posted by logmein View Post
    WORSE
    On Palin's pregnant and unwed teenage daughter: "I'm glad she loves her daughter and she's not ashamed of her."
    How come this is bad/worse?
    He clearly promotes the fact that a mother is supporting her teenage daughter (regardless of the situation she got herself in) that is a good thing in my book...
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    Until they get their a$$e$ in gear and start seriously campaigning for Obama, they are dead to the Party.
    what do you mean he is very clear :http://www.nbc.com/Saturday_Night_Li...linton/704104/

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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Listen, I know Bill Clinton handed me a great economy and I've totally screwed it up.
    I disagree. It was SEEMINGLY good. In 1999, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - under pressure from the Clinton administration loosened lending criteria in order to get more low to moderate income families into houses. And thus, the subprime mortgage was born. In 2004, hearings were held about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's practices. Republicans called for more and stringent regulation, Democrats said that they were trying to fix something that wasn't broken.

    I'm certainly not saying that Bush is a great President (I'm a registered Republican, and I voted for Kerry - that should show you what I think), far from it. But there is FAR too much blame on BOTH sides of the aisle. Stop trying to blame everything on one man. Stop pointing fingers. That's why Pelosi's little speach for the vote pissed me off. It pointed out that there are VERY FEW leaders among EITHER party that are concerned about the American people. They're only concerned about keeping their own jobs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phrogpilot73 View Post
    I disagree. It was SEEMINGLY good. In 1999, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac - under pressure from the Clinton administration loosened lending criteria in order to get more low to moderate income families into houses. And thus, the subprime mortgage was born. In 2004, hearings were held about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac's practices. Republicans called for more and stringent regulation, Democrats said that they were trying to fix something that wasn't broken.

    I'm certainly not saying that Bush is a great President (I'm a registered Republican, and I voted for Kerry - that should show you what I think), far from it. But there is FAR too much blame on BOTH sides of the aisle. Stop trying to blame everything on one man. Stop pointing fingers. That's why Pelosi's little speach for the vote pissed me off. It pointed out that there are VERY FEW leaders among EITHER party that are concerned about the American people. They're only concerned about keeping their own jobs.
    I agree with most of your argument. However, I have to ask some questions:

    1. Yes, Clinton wanted more people to own homes so they changes the rules to allow banks to lend to people that would not have previously been approved. BUT - did Clinton or the Dems hold a gun to the lenders heads and make them APPROVE the loans?
    2. Did the GOP lift a finger to stop the ensuing predatory lending practices from 2000 to 2006 ? Sure, they brought some stuff up in 2004 - so did the Dems in 2007. There was opposition to both bills from both sides of the isle, wasn't there?
    3. Did the tax cuts that were not paid for a contributing factor? What about the economic stimulus checks?
    4. How about the Iraq war (the elephant in the room)? Did it cause any of this?

    The point is there is plenty of blame to go around on both sides of the isle. But at the end of the day, the President and his party were unilaterally in control for 6 of his 8 years in the White House. He didn't veto one thing while they owned all of the branches of government. The fact that some Republicans knew reform was needed in 2004 hardly makes the administration and his ruling party less culpable - in fact, to me it makes them more culpable since they didn't rally around the few members within their own party that knew something was wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    1. Yes, Clinton wanted more people to own homes so they changes the rules to allow banks to lend to people that would not have previously been approved. BUT - did Clinton or the Dems hold a gun to the lenders heads and make them APPROVE the loans?
    Nope, they didn't. Are the lenders GOP or Dem? I don't know - I do know that they were greedy.

    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    2. Did the GOP lift a finger to stop the ensuing predatory lending practices from 2000 to 2006 ? Sure, they brought some stuff up in 2004 - so did the Dems in 2007. There was opposition to both bills from both sides of the isle, wasn't there?
    Nope, the GOP did pretty much nothing. The Dems did pretty much nothing as well. See greed, above.

    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    3. Did the tax cuts that were not paid for a contributing factor? What about the economic stimulus checks?
    Interesting question. I truly don't know (I'm not an economist, I'm an engineer). But I do know this - when I have more money, I spend more money. When money's tight, I save more money. My guess is that tax cuts will generally lead to more capital infused in the economy, leading to actual collateral for loans vice paper with an assumed value. The economic stimulus check was crap. I think it was a BS band aid used to try and get the eyes off the economy prior to an election. See my argument about caring about their own jobs.

    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    4. How about the Iraq war (the elephant in the room)? Did it cause any of this?
    I don't know, but after having been there twice - I think that while the original premise was now proven faulty, that it's good that we're staying. The USMC just handed over control of the Al Anbar province to the Iraqis. They are free of a tyranical dictator that was probably as bad as Adolf Hitler. I think the biggest problems, and why we're still there in large numbers was a complete lack of understanding on the administration's part of what was needed to accomplish their strategic goals. Not disbanded the Army, leaving a bunch of broke and disgruntled Iraqis roaming the streets is the start of my complaints there. It's a huge drain on our economy, no doubt.

    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    The point is there is plenty of blame to go around on both sides of the isle. But at the end of the day, the President and his party were unilaterally in control for 6 of his 8 years in the White House. He didn't veto one thing while they owned all of the branches of government. The fact that some Republicans knew reform was needed in 2004 hardly makes the administration and his ruling party less culpable - in fact, to me it makes them more culpable since they didn't rally around the few members within their own party that knew something was wrong.
    I agree. Too many times I see the arguments that say "The Dems did this, they're evil." or "The GOP did this, they're evil." Meanwhile, no one notices that both parties have their hands in the cookie jar. My ideas about this country include lower taxes, less spending on crap (and both parties are to blame), and encouraging public service. The third part of that argument would maybe lead to a public that thinks of someone other than themselves, would hopefully make them more responsible, and would prevent them from taking out a loan for $300,000 when they haven't paid a bill on time in their life, and they only make $60,000 a year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by phrogpilot73 View Post
    Nope, they didn't. Are the lenders GOP or Dem? I don't know - I do know that they were greedy.


    Nope, the GOP did pretty much nothing. The Dems did pretty much nothing as well. See greed, above.


    Interesting question. I truly don't know (I'm not an economist, I'm an engineer). But I do know this - when I have more money, I spend more money. When money's tight, I save more money. My guess is that tax cuts will generally lead to more capital infused in the economy, leading to actual collateral for loans vice paper with an assumed value. The economic stimulus check was crap. I think it was a BS band aid used to try and get the eyes off the economy prior to an election. See my argument about caring about their own jobs.


    I don't know, but after having been there twice - I think that while the original premise was now proven faulty, that it's good that we're staying. The USMC just handed over control of the Al Anbar province to the Iraqis. They are free of a tyranical dictator that was probably as bad as Adolf Hitler. I think the biggest problems, and why we're still there in large numbers was a complete lack of understanding on the administration's part of what was needed to accomplish their strategic goals. Not disbanded the Army, leaving a bunch of broke and disgruntled Iraqis roaming the streets is the start of my complaints there. It's a huge drain on our economy, no doubt.


    I agree. Too many times I see the arguments that say "The Dems did this, they're evil." or "The GOP did this, they're evil." Meanwhile, no one notices that both parties have their hands in the cookie jar. My ideas about this country include lower taxes, less spending on crap (and both parties are to blame), and encouraging public service. The third part of that argument would maybe lead to a public that thinks of someone other than themselves, would hopefully make them more responsible, and would prevent them from taking out a loan for $300,000 when they haven't paid a bill on time in their life, and they only make $60,000 a year.
    Well firstly, thank you for your service to our country. Seriously. I have very strong opinions about the war but nothing but pride in my comrades that have endured much more than I or any other vet since WWII IMO. Two tours....man, you're a hero...seriously...thank you. I couldn't get my uniform off fast enough when I got my DD214....I sure as heck wasn't looking to go back for another tour.

    Secondly, I'm smiling from ear to ear that you have not allowed yourself to get too caught up in political spin back here in "the world". You have a very balanced take on things...and I find that quite refreshing.

    Thirdly...I mostly agree with your mostly agreements. And I'll respect your opinion in areas we slightly differ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    Well firstly, thank you for your service to our country. Seriously. I have very strong opinions about the war but nothing but pride in my comrades that have endured much more than I or any other vet since WWII IMO. Two tours....man, you're a hero...seriously...thank you. I couldn't get my uniform off fast enough when I got my DD214....I sure as heck wasn't looking to go back for another tour.

    Secondly, I'm smiling from ear to ear that you have not allowed yourself to get too caught up in political spin back here in "the world". You have a very balanced take on things...and I find that quite refreshing.

    Thirdly...I mostly agree with your mostly agreements. And I'll respect your opinion in areas we slightly differ.
    You did your part for the country as well, don't discount that! I also couldn't get my uniform off fast enough when I got my DD-214, then several months later I realized I missed the Marines. Not the Marine Corps mind you, but those young guys that kill themselves to get the job done - the Marines. So here I am, in the Reserves...

    It's easy to not get caught up in spin. I don't like the Christian Science Monitor or the Wall Street Journal (which I think are the two most neutral papers out there), so I end up reading both the left & right's newspapers. That's how you can view the world with balance. I feel bad that I'm so cynical about our leaders in DC (although I have heard/met a few that I have tremendous respect for), but I do believe very strongly in the piece of paper that is the foundation of this country. I just wish more of our lawmakers did too...
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