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    I don’t want my lugubrious psychotic despair to infect the election thread’s more meaningful discussion of issues -- or the other one’s useful talk about the character of the candidates and their families.

    So I'm creating this thread as a place where I -- and we -- can vent on the awful way my (and your) candidate is running their campaign.

    Seconds ago I just paused my DVR’s playback of the CBS Evening News. My stomach is ruptured into an ulcerous acid vat of pain. I’ve just watched the first moments of a McCain ad showing a pack of wolves literally running to Alaska -- to “investigate” Palin.

    The story began with the GOP denouncing Obama for talking about putting lipstick on a pig -- attacking it as a thinly veiled smear on Lady Palin.

    Pathetic.

    I am a monkey suffering from a terminal case of pathetic.

    When will Obama learn that the crap he got away with while fighting Hillary in a liberal democratic primary won’t fly in a general election -- a general election with GOPers who don’t play fair, aren’t worried about their reputations, and aren’t worried about breaking any rules. They are fixated on WINNING -- at WHATEVER the cost.

    gawd. Another loser. Another Dukakis.

    I hate him and all his stupid naive supporters who blackmailed the party regulars into nominating him over Hillary.

    A first timer on the national scene is so hopelessly outclassed in a national election. Its like sending a good college team out to play the Patriots before Brady got knee capped.

    The primaries hardly count as even the preseason. The national election season is so completely different than the primaries -- a successful primary democrat is arguably worse off because he begins to believe his own fairy tale -- that his succulent message of hope, sweetness, and sugar plums is going to inspire even conservative evangelical white gun crazy rednecks -- to take a flyer on a young untested 100% liberal black democrat.

    (Maybe I could get all those sweet idealists to buy this bridge I own in Brooklyn ??)

    If you’re not ATTACKING -- you’re LOSING !!!

    Every bloody day Obama is like some crazy dizzy wackamole, jumping off after yet another and another and another spurious attack.

    The stuffs not true.

    Does it matter ?? Obama and his team think it does, apparently.

    As though the truth will set us free ... ya 56 days from now. Sadly election day is 55 days away.

    BARYE had a conversation with a friend of his today -- a Democratic party insider --


    BARYE: am I being paranoid -- I’m really really worried

    Insider: That’s a question more for your mommy ...

    BARYE: did you see that lipstick stuff today ??

    Insider: he’s just reeling them in -- did you see how he hit them right back ??

    BARYE: are you kidding me -- there are only 55 days left and he’s letting them set the agenda, he’s playing defense -- on their terrain ??

    Insider: 55 days --those guys are scared to death -- they can’t keep this up for 55 days -- the press is going to stop bringing Sarah roses and start asking her tough questions...

    BARYE: its likely too late -- they’ve allowed her to be defined as this vibrant angel -- this Alaskan super-mom, who can suckle a retard(ed) baby on one breast while simultaneously slaying Polar bears with his dirty diapers.

    Insider: You’re nuts -- the election won’t even begin until the first debates

    BARYE: expectations are so low that if Sarah can even breathe for 90 minutes, she’ll be declared the winner ...



    I have been absolutely pushed over the edge.

    Its worse -- much worse -- that I foresaw all this happening back in late December: Obama / McCain -- the Dukakis rerun.

    My nightmare is unfolding and I can’t change it.

    There’s a moment in a film I very much like, “Broadcast News” -- which sort of captures something of how I feel.

    A young smug producer (Holly Hunter) is having an argument with her boss -- when he stops her and says (with a voice dripping in sarcasm): “it must be wonderful always being right !!”

    Her reply -- perfect in its innocent truth: “No -- its awful...”


    (sorry to bore all of you who managed to read all the way through this...)

    addendum: just watched the rest of the CBS story -- and I confess it was not nearly as bad as it seemed like it was going to be ...
    Last edited by BARYE; 09/11/2008 at 02:25 AM.
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    Oh BARYE, I pray to no gods that your post reflects more chicken little than omniscient monkey. Time will tell, but I agree that Obama/Biden need to switch gears.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pdxtreo View Post
    Oh BARYE, I pray to no gods that your post reflects more chicken little than omniscient monkey. Time will tell, but I agree that Obama/Biden need to switch gears.
    pdxtreo -- its a comfort to not be feeling like I'm entirely alone ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    ...If you’re not ATTACKING -- you’re LOSING !!!...
    I think that if he attacks to aggrasively he loses. Think of the picture the GOP would paint. "Quick, angry black male!"...."hide your women and chillin"....
    They would try and make him look like Idi Amin, or someone of that nature.

    I kinda agree with the person you had the conversation with, in a hopefull kind of way, and people that are moved by that ad wouldn't vote for Obama anyway.
    Iago

    "Good name in man and woman, dear my lord, Is the immediate jewel of their souls: Who steals my purse steals trash . . . But he that filches from me my good name Robs me of that which not enriches him
    And makes me poor indeed."


    Criminal: A person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation.
    - Howard Scott
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iago View Post
    I think that if he attacks to aggrasively he loses. Think of the picture the GOP would paint. "Quick, angry black male!"...."hide your women and chillin"....
    They would try and make him look like Idi Amin, or someone of that nature.

    I kinda agree with the person you had the conversation with, in a hopefull kind of way, and people that are moved by that ad wouldn't vote for Obama anyway.
    There is, I agree, that risk.

    But I think history has shown that the greatest danger is being perceived as a wimp -- as an effete pointy-headed intellectual -- who would argue the constitution when he gets asked about what he would do if someone raped and murdered his wife -- Kitty Dukakis (question btw, asked by Bernard Shaw -- for those that remember).

    The oh so intellectual Kerry -- pained about being called a lying sniveling coward for coming home as a result of injuries suffered in war -- I could go on.

    Barack has a line he needs to stay within -- but he hasn't been within waving distance of it yet.

    I watched last night his talk with Oberman -- Oberman was absolutely beseeching him to get pissed -- to show anger at the crap thats been dished.

    Obama was just smiling and apologizing like those clowns at the fair waiting to be dunked.

    Ironic to all this, and what I wrote tonight -- I've now just watched NBC's newscast -- and they too tonight finally pushed back against McCain's lies.

    Tonight is the first genuinely good night Obama has had in my view. He seemed angry -- like he no longer cared if what he said might offend someone. We need to await the shout shows tomorrow, and the news during the next few days and weeks to see if this is just an exceptional moment -- a cosmic meteor soon forgotten -- but maybe...
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    Going a bit further - I am sure each of you realizes the Republican party has yet to say anything on the race issue; however, it sure is evident the liberal side things heavily about it from the post below.

    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    There is, I agree, that risk.

    But I think history has shown that the greatest danger is being perceived as a wimp -- as an effete pointy-headed intellectual -- who would argue the constitution when he gets asked about what he would do if someone raped and murdered his wife -- Kitty Dukakis (question btw, asked by Bernard Shaw -- for those that remember).

    The oh so intellectual Kerry -- pained about being called a lying sniveling coward for coming home as a result of injuries suffered in war -- I could go on.

    Barack has a line he needs to stay within -- but he hasn't been within waving distance of it yet.

    I watched last night his talk with Oberman -- Oberman was absolutely beseeching him to get pissed -- to show anger at the crap thats been dished.

    Obama was just smiling and apologizing like those clowns at the fair waiting to be dunked.

    Ironic to all this, and what I wrote tonight -- I've now just watched NBC's newscast -- and they too tonight finally pushed back against McCain's lies.

    Tonight is the first genuinely good night Obama has had in my view. He seemed angry -- like he no longer cared if what he said might offend someone. We need to await the shout shows tomorrow, and the news during the next few days and weeks to see if this is just an exceptional moment -- a cosmic meteor soon forgotten -- but maybe...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Going a bit further - I am sure each of you realizes the Republican party has yet to say anything on the race issue; however, it sure is evident the liberal side things heavily about it from the post below.
    Ben, don't you have a copy of "Obama Nation" to read or something rather than spewing your bile up here? Honestly, I like to check in here from time to time to read some of the more thoughtful replies and banter and as usual you're clogging up the threads with your right-wing foaming at the mouth non-nonsensical trolling.

    That said, it appears McCain could win this election. It is a shame that brazen lies and deceit will once again win the day. As for Palin, it seems that Obama has fallen right into the GOP trap - they're using Palin as a decoy to draw attention away from their failed 8 years of governance and Obama has most certainly been caught flat-footed. Can he come back? I don't think the MSM has the balls to report the facts so I doubt it. But worse, I don't think the Dems are smart enough to figure out how to fight the Rove playbook. They've certainly been too stupid to figure out the GOP playbook the last two Presidential elections...not sure anything will change for the third election. Same playbook.. Same result. Another four years of a GOP White House.



    As for me...I think I'll vote Libertarian this year.
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    No, I do not and I too would like to seeing the bile from the followers of the messiah. Your words echo those of Obama and shows a degree of maturity that lacks in areas too numerous to list.

    Lies? Both candidates. The press is he biggest culprit.
    Deceit? Look at Biden when you mouth the word. Look at US Magazine.
    Foaming at the mouth? Look at Michelle. In fact, look at Obama without a prompter. In fact, read your own words.

    Obama and change? Straight from the Chicago machine = no change.

    One more thing - the more attention Obama pays to Palin, the worse it is for him, he cannot match her appeal nor experience. She represents middle America far better than Obama and Michelle. From Michelle Malkin:

    Michelle Obama has achieved enormous professional success, political influence, and personal acclaim in America. Ivy League educated, she's been lauded by Essence magazine as one of the 25 World's Most Inspiring Women; by Vanity Fair as one of the ten World's Best-Dressed Women; and named one of 'The Harvard 100' most influential alumni. She has had an amazingly blessed life.

    But, you wouldn't know it from her campaign rhetoric and her griping about her and her husband's student loans.

    For years, we've heard liberals get offended at any challenge to their patriotism. And so they are again aggrieved and rising to explain away Mrs. Obama's remarks. Lady Michelle and her defenders protest too much!"

    I find it most fascinating that the supporters of Obama and Michelle are constantly having to explain what he meant when he said...

    Your refusal to recognize his limitations, to grant him a status that he does not have, that is the remarkable...

    More from Michelle at http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/11...home-to-roost/.

    From the time of the primaries a "few" Democrats made comments about his experience, even he himself said it not too long ago and now, he is experienced. Amazing. Go take a pill and remember how much he loves his country: http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/10...e-unpatriotic/.


    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    Ben, don't you have a copy of "Obama Nation" to read or something rather than spewing your bile up here? Honestly, I like to check in here from time to time to read some of the more thoughtful replies and banter and as usual you're clogging up the threads with your right-wing foaming at the mouth non-nonsensical trolling.

    That said, it appears McCain could win this election. It is a shame that brazen lies and deceit will once again win the day. As for Palin, it seems that Obama has fallen right into the GOP trap - they're using Palin as a decoy to draw attention away from their failed 8 years of governance and Obama has most certainly been caught flat-footed. Can he come back? I don't think the MSM has the balls to report the facts so I doubt it. But worse, I don't think the Dems are smart enough to figure out how to fight the Rove playbook. They've certainly been too stupid to figure out the GOP playbook the last two Presidential elections...not sure anything will change for the third election. Same playbook.. Same result. Another four years of a GOP White House.



    As for me...I think I'll vote Libertarian this year.
    Last edited by bclinger; 09/11/2008 at 02:11 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    ...it appears McCain could win this election. It is a shame that brazen lies and deceit will once again win the day. As for Palin, it seems that Obama has fallen right into the GOP trap - they're using Palin as a decoy to draw attention away from their failed 8 years of governance and Obama has most certainly been caught flat-footed. Can he come back? I don't think the MSM has the balls to report the facts so I doubt it. But worse, I don't think the Dems are smart enough to figure out how to fight the Rove playbook. They've certainly been too stupid to figure out the GOP playbook the last two Presidential elections...not sure anything will change for the third election. Same playbook.. Same result. Another four years of a GOP White House.

    As for me...I think I'll vote Libertarian this year.
    am I wrong to recall that you had earlier been an enthusiastic Obama guy ??

    What's changed ??

    What would make you vote for a Libertarian ??? (and a back handed vote for McCain)

    Glad to have your voice again here, BTW ...
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    Something like 40% of Americans think that Biden is a help and something like 50% of Americans think that Palin is a help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Go take a pill and remember how much he loves his country
    Ben is it really necessary to cross post your malkin links?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    [...] who can suckle a retard(ed) baby [...]
    Why do you feel the repeated need to go down that road?
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
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    The hate is real here. Much, much worse than double posting Malkin links. Toby, I agree with you. There is no reason to go there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    The hate is real here. Much, much worse than double posting Malkin links. Toby, I agree with you. There is no reason to go there.
    You really don't have much room to talk. The hate from both of you towards the 'opposite' camp is hard to miss.
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
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    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    am I wrong to recall that you had earlier been an enthusiastic Obama guy ??

    What's changed ??

    What would make you vote for a Libertarian ??? (and a back handed vote for McCain)

    Glad to have your voice again here, BTW ...
    Tongue in cheek my friend. Merely venting about the ineptness of the Democrats to counter the slanderous lowlife attacks from the right-wing liars.

    I want Obama to win. I still want Pelosi and Reid out though. McCain is a sell out. He stopped loving his country-first a long long long time ago. He proved it in 2000 to me when he kissed Rove's hairy a$$ after Rove and Bush Co. grossly smeared him and his family in South Carolina. I wish Obama would re-run those wonderful smear commercials paid for and made by Rove and Bush Co.

    I don't own a Treo anymore so don't have much use for being up here. I also have two new startups that keep me on the road entirely too much. But it is fun to read this forum from time to time....well unless Ben is posting his drivel.
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    Hate? No, not at all. I have no hate toward the man or his family. My concern is his politics - his "change" is a change to socialism.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    You really don't have much room to talk. The hate from both of you towards the 'opposite' camp is hard to miss.
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    Low-life attacks. No, statements that are based in fact and that the Obama party is not willing to acknowledge As for Pelosi and Reid - those 2 are all the Democrats need to show how unwilling to work with their constituents and people in general. At their level they should be working with instead of against (really regardless of "their" party). If those adds are based on the truth, then let 'em hit.

    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    Tongue in cheek my friend. Merely venting about the ineptness of the Democrats to counter the slanderous lowlife attacks from the right-wing liars.

    I want Obama to win. I still want Pelosi and Reid out though. McCain is a sell out. He stopped loving his country-first a long long long time ago. He proved it in 2000 to me when he kissed Rove's hairy a$$ after Rove and Bush Co. grossly smeared him and his family in South Carolina. I wish Obama would re-run those wonderful smear commercials paid for and made by Rove and Bush Co.

    I don't own a Treo anymore so don't have much use for being up here. I also have two new startups that keep me on the road entirely too much. But it is fun to read this forum from time to time....well unless Ben is posting his drivel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    I don't own a Treo anymore so don't have much use for being up here.

    traitor . . .
    No problem should ever be solved twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DL.Cummings View Post
    traitor . . .

    LOL. It gets worse than that. I had a Tilt but just dumped it for....wait for it....iPhone 3G. Naturally, Palm finally pulled the stick out with the Treo Pro about two days after I bought the thing!
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    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    Tongue in cheek my friend. Merely venting about the ineptness of the Democrats to counter the slanderous lowlife attacks from the right-wing liars.

    I want Obama to win. I still want Pelosi and Reid out though. McCain is a sell out. He stopped loving his country-first a long long long time ago. He proved it in 2000 to me when he kissed Rove's hairy a$$ after Rove and Bush Co. grossly smeared him and his family in South Carolina. I wish Obama would re-run those wonderful smear commercials paid for and made by Rove and Bush Co...
    McCain completely sold whatever soul he still had left to the Rovians in exchange for victory.

    I wish Obama & co. would do the same, or at least watch tv -- and see what has been happening, and maybe learn something.

    Presumably they are expecting to have a few more election nights to work the kinks out.

    Todays Post and Times have pieces that echo BARYE's despair and frustration of yesterday:

    Tiptoeing Through the Mud
    By E. J. Dionne Jr.
    Friday, September 12, 2008
    ...The campaign is a blur of flying pieces of junk, lipstick and gutter-style attacks. John McCain's deceptions about Barack Obama's views and Sarah Palin's flip-flopping suggest an unedifying scuffle over a city council seat.

    The media bear a heavy responsibility because "balance" does not require giving equal time to truth and lies. So does McCain, who is running a disgraceful, dishonorable campaign of distraction and diversion.

    But Obama bears responsibility, too: His task is to remind Americans that the stakes in this election are far higher than the matter of who said what and when about Palin. He isn't doing that.

    Yes, Democrats are a gloomy lot, inclined to see catastrophe around every corner and the other side as tougher, meaner and more manipulative. Imbibing this potion of false pride about Democratic virtue mixed with paranoia about the Republicans' dark genius only leads to defeat followed by glorious disillusionment.

    Nonetheless, it's clear that Obama has lost control of this campaign. And he will not seize back the initiative with the sometimes halting, conversational and sadly reluctant sound bites he has been producing. The excitement Obama created at the beginning of the year has vanished, perhaps because his campaign (and, yes, many columnists) bought into the McCain campaign's demonization of the big rallies. Absurdly, McCain is now contesting the terrain of change -- and doing so at celebrity rallies of his own.

    This moment eerily resembles the situation in 1988 when George H.W. Bush used his convention to define the campaign and never again ceded the agenda to Democrat Michael Dukakis.

    Here's the problem: Few voters know that Obama would cut the taxes of the vast majority of Americans by far more than McCain would. Few know Obama would guarantee everyone access to health care or that McCain's health plan might endanger coverage many already have. Few know that Obama has a coherent program to create new jobs through public investment in roads, bridges, transit, and green technologies.

    In short, few Americans know what (or whom) Obama is fighting for, because he isn't really telling them. And few know that McCain's economic plan is worse than President Bush's. As Jonathan Cohn points out in the New Republic, McCain would add $8.5 trillion in new debt over the next 10 years. It's McCain who should be on the defensive...

    ...he has paid too much attention to broadening the political map and not enough to nailing down the states he must win...

    ...McCain has shown he wants the presidency so badly that he's willing to say anything, true or false, to win power. ...
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