Page 17 of 20 FirstFirst ... 7121314151617181920 LastLast
Results 321 to 340 of 398
  1. #321  
    Quote Originally Posted by aero View Post
    Communism and Socialism are about state or communal ownership of the means of production. Factories, farmland, etc.
    One thing to keep in mind is that the 'means of production' are no longer contained to factories, farmland, etc. This has always included wealth and capital to some extent. In today's economy, it could even be argued to include credit. Not that this helps the Republicans any, because they are part of the problem and just as 'socialist'.
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
  2. #322  
    I haven't watched the infomercial yet. I figure I can count on YouTube when I have time.

    As best as I can recall, Obama's tax threshold has always been $200K for individuals and $250K for couples. Not 100% certain, though.
  3. #323  
    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    oh oh -- he makes the change to: "anyone under $200,000" --- he ought have kept it at the $250K figure ...


    (music is out finally at least)
    Actually, he was correct.... and has been saying it all along. there is no change from 200,000 to 250,000... only decreases in 200,000 and down. Before he was saying only 250,000 or something....

    He changed the way he said it and it confused people... but technically he was correct.
    01000010 01100001 01101110 00100000 01010100 01101000 01110010 01100101 01100001 01100100 00100000 01000011 01110010 01100001 01110000 01110000 01100101 01110010 01110011 00100001
  4. #324  
    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Another thing that I found a little disconcerting is that he made a point of saying that he planned on giving the details of how he would make things happen. I never heard those details. I heard some stories about people. I heard some endorsements by other pols. I heard that if we elect Obama, those troubles should be addressed. I'm still fuzzy on how. I'm a structure and systems guy.
    I'm not sure that is disconcerting since it is an election and he is a politician. I think his intentions are the same and while I noticed that target moving as well ($250-to-$200k) I don't think he can be much more specific anyway. In other words, he'll put forth his plan and it will get modified by both houses - be it Dems in control or Repubs.

    I don't think the ad hurt him, but it won't change any voters minds either IMO. It was a little too polished for me, but I guess if you have the coin to spend on it, why not? There isn't an honest campaign manager in the country from either side of the aisle that wouldn't have done the same if they had the money.

    In the end, he is applying to be the CEO of the free world. If you've ever interviewed to be a CEO most board of directors aren't going to be too impressed if you get bogged down in the minutia early on. They want to see vision, strategy, how you'll execute the strategy, what team of horses might you employ to execute, and yes, a good idea of the resources required to execute. And herein lies yet another major difference between Obama and McCain - Obama has been able to communicate a shared vision and inspire people with his ideas. Sure, they're just ideas right now, but they've been consistent enough that we ought to know what he intends on getting done. Contrast that with McCain, who has demonstrated that he's barely fit to be a project manager let alone a CEO (heck...one of his own advisors said as much).

    This election is now about turnout. The rest of it just noise - including Obama's infomercial. If the Dems, Indies, African-Americans, and Youth turnout to vote then this thing will be a landslide. If any of the above fail to show up...it will be closer than most are predicting.
  5. #325  
    Quote Originally Posted by samkim View Post
    I haven't watched the infomercial yet. I figure I can count on YouTube when I have time.

    As best as I can recall, Obama's tax threshold has always been $200K for individuals and $250K for couples. Not 100% certain, though.
    According to CNN's fact check, Obama has always said that under $250k would not see a tax increase and those under $200k would see a tax cut. The implication being that between $200-$250k would be the same as their current tax rate.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ef/#more-27165
  6. #326  
    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    I'm not sure that is disconcerting since it is an election and he is a politician.
    I think I'm aware of when I find something disconcerting.
    In the end, he is applying to be the CEO of the free world.
    Um, no. This view is why we're so screwed up as a country right now. Government is not a business, and the US President should have no delusions about any sort of authority over anything other than the US government.
    If you've ever interviewed to be a CEO most board of directors aren't going to be too impressed if you get bogged down in the minutia early on. They want to see vision, strategy, how you'll execute the strategy, what team of horses might you employ to execute, and yes, a good idea of the resources required to execute.
    Did I miss the part where he gave even a vague idea of the team he was going to use? I heard plenty of vision. Strategy, not as much. Execution, not so much either.
    And herein lies yet another major difference between Obama and McCain - Obama has been able to communicate a shared vision and inspire people with his ideas. Sure, they're just ideas right now, but they've been consistent enough that we ought to know what he intends on getting done. Contrast that with McCain, who has demonstrated that he's barely fit to be a project manager let alone a CEO (heck...one of his own advisors said as much).
    And been decried as an ***** for it. I for one think the meat of her argument was correct. The US government is not a major corporation. The skill set required is completely different. Obama certainly has more of the qualifications than McCain, IMO.
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
  7.    #327  
    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    According to CNN's fact check, Obama has always said that under $250k would not see a tax increase and those under $200k would see a tax cut. The implication being that between $200-$250k would be the same as their current tax rate.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ef/#more-27165
    thanks for determining the facts --

    unfortunately the truth is too subtle for those of us who've been hearing McShame bang repeatedly on: "now he's changing his target for who going to get a tax cut..." etc. etc. ...
    755P Sprint SERO (upgraded from unlocked GSM 650 on T-Mobile)
  8. #328  
    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    thanks for determining the facts --

    unfortunately the truth is too subtle for those of us who've been hearing McShame bang repeatedly on: "now he's changing his target for who going to get a tax cut..." etc. etc. ...
    I'm not going by McCain's statement. I'm remembering more the claim that 95% of the people are going to see a tax cut. That percentage only works with the $250,000 number (which incidentally the calculator on his website still seems to support).
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
  9. #329  
    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    I think I'm aware of when I find something disconcerting.
    Yes you do. I should have said, "...I'm not sure that I find it to be disconcerting". But certainly you're entitled to your opinion.

    Um, no. This view is why we're so screwed up as a country right now. Government is not a business, and the US President should have no delusions about any sort of authority over anything other than the US government.
    I think I chose a leadership role to use as an example. I agree with you and didn't mean it literally - but I do think a US President has to have some CEO-like qualities - vision, judgment, etc.

    Did I miss the part where he gave even a vague idea of the team he was going to use? I heard plenty of vision. Strategy, not as much. Execution, not so much either.
    In that infomercial, yes you did - it wasn't there. I've heard him say numerous times that he'd assemble a bi-partisan cabinet and there have been numerous names dropped over the last few months. But more importantly, he has demonstrated this in his campaign by surrounding himself with diversity in terms of his economic and foreign policy advisers.

    And been decried as an ***** for it. I for one think the meat of her argument was correct. The US government is not a major corporation. The skill set required is completely different. Obama certainly has more of the qualifications than McCain, IMO.
    She way decried because she made McCain look bad. But she was being truthful. That said, I apologize for picking the role of CEO as my example. They are different roles, but both require some pretty similar attributes IMO in the area of leadership.
  10. #330  
    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    I'm not going by McCain's statement. I'm remembering more the claim that 95% of the people are going to see a tax cut. That percentage only works with the $250,000 number (which incidentally the calculator on his website still seems to support).
    Not sure about that...I remember him saying 95% won't see a tax increase in response to McCain's repeated lies that we'll all see tax increases.

    Either way, 95% won't see tax increases. 90% will see a tax cut. 5% will see no change. 5% will see a tax increase. Roughly....
  11. #331  
    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    According to CNN's fact check, Obama has always said that under $250k would not see a tax increase and those under $200k would see a tax cut. The implication being that between $200-$250k would be the same as their current tax rate.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...ef/#more-27165
    Thanks. I just read the quote, and I see he specifically refers to families.

    Fwiw, this is what I was talking about:
    http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/27/news...ion=2008062809
  12. #332  
    Quote Originally Posted by samkim View Post
    Thanks. I just read the quote, and I see he specifically refers to families.

    Fwiw, this is what I was talking about:
    http://money.cnn.com/2008/06/27/news...ion=2008062809
    Thanks.

    Its all just yard lines in a football stadium to me and whether Obama can get across the goal line without making a few changes to the playbook at the line of scrimmage remains unknown. His overall game plan is quite clear and consistent IMO.

    His answers seem consistent but perhaps confusing in the way they were delivered from time to time. Probably doesn't matter very much this late in the game either way...its all about turnout now.
  13. #333  
    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    I think I chose a leadership role to use as an example. I agree with you and didn't mean it literally - but I do think a US President has to have some CEO-like qualities - vision, judgment, etc.
    Agreed there. There are a few crossover qualities, but much of the mechanics and responsibilities of the positions are so different that it rankles me a bit to hear the comparison. Even when only looked at from a revenue and profit generation standpoint, it becomes tenuous at best.
    She way decried because she made McCain look bad.
    From the Republicans, certainly, but she was just as persecuted from the Democrats for daring to criticize Obama.
    But she was being truthful. That said, I apologize for picking the role of CEO as my example. They are different roles, but both require some pretty similar attributes IMO in the area of leadership.
    From a leadership standpoint, I agree. I just think it oversimplifies the other responsibilities of both positions.
    Not sure about that...I remember him saying 95% won't see a tax increase in response to McCain's repeated lies that we'll all see tax increases.
    Well, it could be that this morning's Doonesbury is influencing my memory, but at least I know Garry remembers the same.
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
  14. #335  
    The amount is now $100,000.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    I'm not going by McCain's statement. I'm remembering more the claim that 95% of the people are going to see a tax cut. That percentage only works with the $250,000 number (which incidentally the calculator on his website still seems to support).
  15. NRG
    NRG is offline
    NRG's Avatar
    Posts
    3,657 Posts
    Global Posts
    3,670 Global Posts
    #336  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    The amount is now $100,000.
    Cite please?


    http://taxcut.barackobama.com/
  16. #337  
    Heard in in a speech from the man himself. The $150,000 thing was http://talkback.lancasteronline.com/...howtopic=81249 that from the mouth of Joe himself.

    The $100,000 was in a recent speech. It is true though, so please enjoy the reduced amount - we are sure it will get lower.

    On an unrelated note: this is old news, but it has not hit here: http://www.suntimes.com/news/watchdo...hdog25.article
  17. NRG
    NRG is offline
    NRG's Avatar
    Posts
    3,657 Posts
    Global Posts
    3,670 Global Posts
    #338  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Heard in in a speech from the man himself.

    The $100,000 was in a recent speech. It is true though, so please enjoy the reduced amount - we are sure it will get lower.
    So, no cite for the 100k number you just put out there?
  18. #339  
    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    I read that... it was funny.

    I bet the mccain camp is scrambling...
    01000010 01100001 01101110 00100000 01010100 01101000 01110010 01100101 01100001 01100100 00100000 01000011 01110010 01100001 01110000 01110000 01100101 01110010 01110011 00100001
  19. #340  
    The $250K number was the amount above which folks would get a raise in taxts, the $150K was the amount below which folks would get a cut. $150-250K range were those who would see no change.

    It's simple to find the facts....if that were something people are interested in.
    Everything's Amazing and Nobody's Happy

    Treo600 --> Treo650-->PPC6700-->Treo700P-->Treo755P-->Treo800W --> Touch Pro-->Palm Pre --> EVO 4G

Posting Permissions