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  1. #241  
    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    Now I'd love for him to announce something big - maybe name Warren Buffet as his Treasury Secretary to counter McCain's EBay CEO pick.
    That would be interesting. Did Meg Whitman actually agree to be a potential pick? I thought that was just an attempt at dropping a name.
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  2. #242  
    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    do tell...
    Colin Powell. TiVo'd.
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  3. #243  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    God bless socialism, in no country does it work.
    I am not sure of the point here. The examples given didn't fall into the definition of socialism, which involves collective ownership of the means of production (capital, land, business).

    Social programs, eg: police, your fire department, public education, roads, social security, medicare, the entire land grant system that settled the post revolution 80$ of the country, etc do not define "socialism." If you think so, then the US founding fathers were all raving socialists. (By the way then, Sarah Palin presides over the most socialist state in the country and has the record of the most socialist advocacy of any politician on the national stage).

    You would also have to consider Eisenhower perhaps the most socialist minded President.

    The issue of infrastructure building is one Obama advocated during the time of the "stimulus" debate. As it stands the checks given out were spent abroad. The Bush administration set up a system where we borrowed money from China, gave it out in checks, and then people bought stuff from abroad. Money down the rathole. Infrastructure projects funding on the other hand is spent 95% in the USA. By the way, earmarks, McCain's micro focus obsession, are spent 99% in the US and most would be funded anyway even if not in earmarks!
  4.    #244  
    Though BARYE resides in a cave, miraculously I'm able to get TV intended for the state of Virgina -- one of those historically "Red" states -- part of the reliably GOP part of america.

    Never in my extradordinarily long life have I seen as many ads for a candidate as I've seen for Obama -- I no longer know if they're good or not because my brain has become numb to them. But I think they were mostly positive -- and maybe of decent quality. (this is neither a complaint or a criticism, just an observation).

    McShame has had a few ads too -- very few -- but some. And those ads have been almost all negative -- harshly so.

    Until tonight.

    I felt excited, like I had caught a look at some rumoured but never seen endangered woodpecker -- a positive McShame ad staring the ol' guy himself.

    He sits there talking to the camera -- about something, maybe the economy ?? -- I think this is not too different than some of Obama's ads.

    Then I took a fright, aveted my eyes, and nearly screamed in terror. Was I seeing an early Halloween special ???

    McShame is sitting there bathed in the harshest least sympatheitc lighting I've ever seen before -- every jowl, line, and wrinkle is ingloriously illuminated for all to see. Children and puppies are running in terror to their mommies.

    He tries to smile, tries to seem relaxed, confident -- but it so doesn't work.

    I now know why McShame has not been the star of his own commercials.
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  5. #245  
    There is nothing anywhere to substantiate the drinking statement. And that really is not the question, which every one of you have not responded to. It involves putting yourself in to the mix. You are the truck driver, you do not drink and yet you were accused of drinking. Now you are dead and your family is being hit with the accusations. Does that mean that the person accusing you of being drunk can keep on saying that you were drunk? Really now, how difficult is it for a person to accept responsibility for what is said. Really.

    Quote Originally Posted by aero View Post
    I think it is likely that Biden was informally told on background by one of the investigators that the driver was known to have a beer at lunch or something. At the time that would not have been illegal although now we know better and it is.

    Back in the early 70's my cousin was struck and killed on bike by a car driver who had had two beers. It was judged no fault of the driver, alcohol was not mentioned in the final report because it did not reach the threshold (which was way higher at the time).

    In the case of Mrs. Biden, over 35 years ago, if the truck driver had the right of way, and the truck driver was under the legal threshold the official report would not say alcohol was a factor.

    If one looks at the statistics alcohol is now a factor in three times as many fatal accidents. It isn't because people are drinking more, it is simply because of lower thresholds.

    If an investigator told Biden details on background (and that is common), Biden could mention them after some time, but not give the source (a condition of background information).
  6. #246  
    Well, it's simply a distraction, because you can stick a fork in this election....it's done.
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  7.    #247  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    Well, it's simply a distraction, because you can stick a fork in this election....it's done.

    only after the last of the GOPers court challenges which is weeks after the election, and finally months after he takes office ...
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  8. #248  
    Remember, national polls are meaningless....always look at the electoral maps. barring an October surprise, it's going to a blowout.
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  9. #249  
    To me, it doesn't matter if he wins by one vote or a million - the real issue is if Congress picks up sufficient seats to allow him to have a filibuster-proof majority. If that's the case, then Congress won't be able to gridlock and he'll be able to get things done.

    Besides, in most polls, he's holding a 4-6% lead in the national polls. That's a pretty decisive majority.
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  10.    #250  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    To me, it doesn't matter if he wins by one vote or a million - the real issue is if Congress picks up sufficient seats to allow him to have a filibuster-proof majority. If that's the case, then Congress won't be able to gridlock and he'll be able to get things done.

    Besides, in most polls, he's holding a 4-6% lead in the national polls. That's a pretty decisive majority.
    about 2-3 weeks ago I predicted the Dems would get to 61 Senate seats.

    This is beyond just about anyone else's prediction -- and was made based on an expectation that the economic news would continue to be awful.
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  11.    #251  
    just watched SNL -- boring boring show tonight -- Palin was fine, though not especially funny.

    I'd suppose it helped more than hurt -- but I really don't think it did much of either ...
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  12. #252  
    It was pretty bad. I liked Alec Baldwin's McCain impression, though.
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  13. #253  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    There is nothing anywhere to substantiate the drinking statement. And that really is not the question, which every one of you have not responded to. It involves putting yourself in to the mix. You are the truck driver, you do not drink and yet you were accused of drinking. Now you are dead and your family is being hit with the accusations. Does that mean that the person accusing you of being drunk can keep on saying that you were drunk? Really now, how difficult is it for a person to accept responsibility for what is said. Really.
    Seriously, drinking was a factor in several times more accidents than reported back 35 years ago. An investigator could have told Biden the truck driver was known to have a drink but because he was under the threshold to be charged as DUI

    You say put yourself in the truck drivers place. Well he didn't lose anything, Biden lost his part of his family yet you don't seem inclined to put yourself in his place. What if an investigator had told him on background or off the record that the the driver was alleged to have a beer at lunch but that this was excluded because he was under the limit?
  14. #254  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    God bless socialism, in no country does it work.
    Can you define socialism since the way its been used in the US seems to be more like communism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist)...


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
    'However, for those who use the term in this way, the scope of the term socialism itself can be very vague, and include forms of socialism compatible with capitalism. For example, Robert M. Page, a Reader in Democratic Socialism and Social Policy at the University of Birmingham, writes about "transformative democratic socialism" to refer to the politics of the Clement Attlee government (a strong welfare state, fiscal redistribution, some nationalisation) and "revisionist democratic socialism", as developed by Anthony Crosland and Harold Wilson'

    for example the definition commonly used in europe is far more 'modern' than the one used in the US
    example:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(UK)


    I think pure capitalism doesnt work (as we have recently seen) and pure Socialism/Communism doesnt work either (see former USSR)
    But the trick is to find a nice common ground...

    Northern European countries seem to be open to that idea and they tend to have less social problems (though they do have their issues).. so it may just work
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  15. #255  
    Capitalism does not work? I do and many other people do not believe you. It does work. What does not work is unbridled credit.

    Let me be more specific - redistribution of wealth - welfare - that is what Obama is about - more power to the Federal government, less to the individual.
  16. #256  
    Is England not in a slow process to back out of socialized medicine?
  17. #257  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT View Post
    Can you define socialism since the way its been used in the US seems to be more like communism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist)...


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_socialism
    'However, for those who use the term in this way, the scope of the term socialism itself can be very vague, and include forms of socialism compatible with capitalism. For example, Robert M. Page, a Reader in Democratic Socialism and Social Policy at the University of Birmingham, writes about "transformative democratic socialism" to refer to the politics of the Clement Attlee government (a strong welfare state, fiscal redistribution, some nationalisation) and "revisionist democratic socialism", as developed by Anthony Crosland and Harold Wilson'

    for example the definition commonly used in europe is far more 'modern' than the one used in the US
    example:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labour_Party_(UK)


    I think pure capitalism doesnt work (as we have recently seen) and pure Socialism/Communism doesnt work either (see former USSR)
    But the trick is to find a nice common ground...

    Northern European countries seem to be open to that idea and they tend to have less social problems (though they do have their issues).. so it may just work
    Mostly agree. Although I'd argue that we're hardly a pure capitalistic system either. There have always been regulation - and then some deregulation - and now we'll have more regulation. But that does not equate to this fantasy that the right-wing in our country likes to portray that we are a pure capitalistic society that will move to pure socialistic society under Demcratic rule.

    BTW - just noticed you're from Reading. I do business around there (Basingstoke Road) from time to time. Lovely part of England. I prefer Cambridge a bit more....but admit I'm biased because that is where I lived when I resided there.
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  19. #259  
    Quote Originally Posted by ToolkiT View Post
    Can you define socialism since the way its been used in the US seems to be more like communism (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Communist)...
    We had this tangent already recently. The way that either term is commonly used in the US is wrong. 'Communism' is basically confused with fascist or authoritarian socialism. It all gets further confused when political parties or countries try to use these economic terms in their names.
    I think pure capitalism doesnt work (as we have recently seen) and pure Socialism/Communism doesnt work either (see former USSR)
    Sorry, but you're wrong. The current troubles in the US are not due to pure capitalism (which like pure communism doesn't always scale well, although it usually scales better), since we are far from a pure capitalist economy. They're due to greed trying to mitigate the costs of eutopian ideals (every man a homeowner with nothing down!!). Also, the USSR was never really any sort of Communism. It was a form of Socialism, but I don't see how anything that scale could be called pure Socialism.
    But the trick is to find a nice common ground...
    I'm still trying to figure out how to become Einstein's benevolent dictator.
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  20. #260  
    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    Mostly agree. Although I'd argue that we're hardly a pure capitalistic system either. There have always been regulation - and then some deregulation - and now we'll have more regulation. But that does not equate to this fantasy that the right-wing in our country likes to portray that we are a pure capitalistic society that will move to pure socialistic society under Demcratic rule.
    Exactly. We're a regulated capitalist society with some populist socialism thrown in.
    BTW - just noticed you're from Reading.
    FWIW, he's not _from_ there per se, but I'll let him explain further.
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