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  1.    #221  
    William Krystal -- the NYTimes' house neo-con -- the primary advocate of choosing Palin to be VP nominee -- has written a column lambasting McShame's campaign.

    He deplores its negativiy -- not because he disagrees with it -- but because he feels its been done ineffectively, and in a way that has hurt McShame more than Obama...


    October 13, 2008

    Fire the Campaign
    By WILLIAM KRISTOL NYTimes Op-Ed Columnist

    It’s time for John McCain to fire his campaign.

    He has nothing to lose. His campaign is totally overmatched by Obama’s. The Obama team is well organized, flush with resources, and the candidate and the campaign are in sync. The McCain campaign, once merely problematic, is now close to being out-and-out dysfunctional. Its combination of strategic incoherence and operational incompetence has become toxic. If the race continues over the next three weeks to be a conventional one, McCain is doomed.

    He may be anyway. Bush is unpopular. The media is hostile. The financial meltdown has made things tougher. Maybe the situation is hopeless — and if it is, then nothing McCain or his campaign does matters...

    What McCain needs to do is junk the whole thing and start over. Shut down the rapid responses, end the frantic e-mails, bench the spinning surrogates, stop putting up new TV and Internet ads every minute. In fact, pull all the ads — they’re doing no good anyway. Use that money for televised town halls and half-hour addresses in prime time.

    And let McCain go back to what he’s been good at in the past — running as a cheerful, open and accessible candidate. Palin should follow suit. The two of them are attractive and competent politicians...

    Provide total media accessibility on their campaign planes and buses. Kick most of the aides off and send them out to swing states to work for the state coordinators on getting voters to the polls. Keep just a minimal staff to help organize the press conferences McCain and Palin should have at every stop and the TV interviews they should do at every location. Do town halls, do the Sunday TV shows, do talk radio ...

    The bad news, of course, is that right now Obama’s approval/disapproval rating is better than McCain’s. Indeed, Obama’s is a bit higher than it was a month ago. That suggests the failure of the McCain campaign’s attacks on Obama.

    So drop them.

    Not because they’re illegitimate. I think many of them are reasonable...the ... attacks on Obama just aren’t working. There’s no reason to think they’re suddenly going to...

    At Wednesday night’s debate at Hofstra, McCain might want to volunteer a mild mea culpa about the extent to which the presidential race has degenerated into a shouting match. And then he can pledge to the voters that the last three weeks will feature a contest worthy of this moment in our history...
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  2. #222  
    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo..._mccain/?map=5

    Has Obama peaked too early? Can McCain pull out of Reagan-esque comeback? I mean these numbers are still sliding and the electoral map looks decidedly in Obama's favor. 304 to 158....wow. Safe to say McShame's all-out-lies-on-top-of-lies hate-campaign has backfired in a big way.
  3.    #223  
    in this election Florida is an important state. Some of you may recall that it played an especially crucial role in 2000.

    The GOP candidate's brother is no longer the Governor there -- and his muchkins no longer control the election apparatus of the state of Florida. It will therefore require the GOP to work harder to make up for the votes they have previously been able to steal (or suppress by turning away eligible voters).

    Getting motivated volunteers to get your message out to potential supporters is more important than ever this year. Obama has almost more volunteers than they're able to use --

    McShame has begun to offer $12/hour to hire cavassers to work on his behalf.

    Embarrassing...



    McCain Hiring Paid Canvassers in Florida
    By Alec MacGillis The Washington Post
    10/14/08

    Republicans worried about John McCain's prospects have wondered how his campaign has been spending its not-insignificant pile of money, given that McCain is being heavily outspent on the air in swing states and has invested far less in field offices and organizers than has Barack Obama. Well, here's one place at least some money is going: In Florida, McCain is now offering to pay people to do door-to-door canvassing for the campaign.

    An e-mail went out over the weekend from the Republican Party in Hillsborough County, which encompasses the vote-rich Tampa area, inviting supporters to go door-to-door for the campaign for $12 per hour. "Work as many shifts per week as you want," it said. "No experience necessary, but a strong desire to make a difference and a strong work ethic are important. So is reliable transportation."

    McCain's reliance on paid canvassers is another indication of the advantage Obama holds going into the final weeks of the campaign, thanks to his formidable ground organization. In Florida alone, the Obama campaign has 56 field offices, more than 100 field organizers and the free labor of 150,000 volunteers, who have been doing all of the campaign's canvassing in the state...

    ...the party was seeking to hire about 30 canvassers for each of the county's four quadrants and that he'd already hired 15-20 after the e-mail went out to local Republican clubs and Young Republicans. He said it was not unusual for the party to hire canvassers in the final weeks of a campaign. The party has had volunteers doing "precinct walks" over the past few weeks to distribute campaign door hangers, he said, with nearly 20 turning out on Saturday to walk one precinct in his area.

    But the campaign decided that it made more sense to pay canvassers for the task of making sure voters who want absentee ballots obtain them and send them in...

    The situation in Florida is something of the reverse of what occurred in 2004, when Democrats nationally relied heavily on paid canvassers hired by America Coming Together and Republicans relied heavily on the volunteer network assembled under Karl Rove's guidance ...
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  4. #224  
    Another poll from another view point: http://www.afa.net/petitions/pbspoll/takesurvey.asp. - betcha none of you can wait to call this another hateful site.

    Edit 'cause the link was not correct.
  5. #225  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Another poll from another view point: http://www.afa.net/petitions/pbspoll/takesurvey.asp. - betcha none of you can wait to call this another hateful site.
    Every gay or Jewish person probably would:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/America...ly_Association
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  6.    #226  
    for anyone interested in this thread's original boring theme, there's increasing evidence that this election may well be a bad one for McShame & Co.

    But beyond a crushing defeat for McShame, there may well be the potential for a better than filibuster proof majority in the Senate. I would not be surprised by the Democrats getting to 61 seats -- and not neccasarily by including lieberman either.

    My cautious optimism is based on a casual reading of more granular polling data from districts that have historically been GOP strongholds -- places that junior did very well in.

    It would be a stunning reversal for GOPers, one that will likely lead to wholesale internal bloodletting and blame. junior may well not be invited to ever again campaign on behalf of a GOP candidate -- for any office.

    Economic versus spiritual conservative strains within the GOP will worsen, leading to increased internal bifurcation. Normally (like 1994) the GOP would likely recover in a big way in the next off year election -- playing off voter anger at some perceived excess by the Democratic liberals. I'm hoping that these internal tensions will lessen the probability of the GOP being able to mount another '94 unified opposition election.

    I see Obama being more cautious than Bill in moving too fast to advance progressive social objectives.

    Bill antagonized the right early with (completely appropriate) efforts to end gay discrimination in the military, and to attempt to put some limits on gun ownership etc. He also stumbled badly in seeming to care more for the gender of his Attorney General appointment (Zoe Bierd? etc.) than to their qualifications.

    A lot will depend on whether the economy and the stock market is seen to be rebounding in these last weeks before the election. The DOW will likely be the best predictor of how bad election night might be for GOPers.
    Last edited by BARYE; 10/14/2008 at 01:31 PM.
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  7. #227  
    As those taxes are raised against corporations, those corporations pass those taxes on to the end user and that results in increased prices which is just as bad as taxing those that no longer be taxed. It boils down to semantics. Call it a tax increase or not, an increase there will be.

    As for your polls, the margins are not that large. Do some more reading.
  8.    #228  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    As those taxes are raised against corporations, those corporations pass those taxes on to the end user and that results in increased prices which is just as bad as taxing those that no longer be taxed. It boils down to semantics. Call it a tax increase or not, an increase there will be.

    As for your polls, the margins are not that large. Do some more reading.
    Ben I mention those polls because they're from strong GOP districts -- places that junior won big in.

    What should scare all GOPers is how close McShame and Obama are in those polls.

    The GOP can't just tie or barely win their strong districts if they are to avoid a crushing defeat -- remember one of the rationales for Palin was that she would motivate and turnout the "base".
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  9. #229  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post

    As for your polls, the margins are not that large. Do some more reading.

    Here is the latest polls http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls/ and by my count, there are only TWO out of TWELVE polls within a 4% margin of error. So what exactly should we read to understand things as well as you seem to understand them?
  10. #230  
    The good news is what may happen when the next election cycle starts up. Four years of what bunches think will be high taxes and costs...that just might be enough to cause Obama a few problems due to his economic policies - tax the rich, increase the costs to all due to higher costs of products, so forth.
  11. #231  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    The good news is what may happen when the next election cycle starts up. Four years of what bunches think will be high taxes and costs...that just might be enough to cause Obama a few problems due to his economic policies - tax the rich, increase the costs to all due to higher costs of products, so forth.
    I seriously doubt either candidate will be two-term Presidents. The Bush/Cheney legacy will overshadow either candidate's first four years and neither one will be able to fully turn this ship around. It's just that Obama will do a better job of keeping the ship from taking on water while its turning - McShame will assuredly sink her....if he doesn't run the ship into an iceberg first.
  12. #232  
    No, neither will be 2 term. On the Republican side, Palin has a strong chance. On the Democrat side, Hillary, who starts her campaign after the first of the year, will be running hard.
  13.    #233  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post

    ... On the Democrat side, Hillary, who starts her campaign after the first of the year, will be running hard.
    She is likely to be very supportive of Obama --especially if he pushes for some kind of universal health care -- and if he is wise enough to embrace her involvement.

    If things go badly -- especially if the economy continues toward a depression, particularly if NY State is particularly hard hit (as its likely to be), I expect that she will constructively intiate her own proposals --- and become increasingly forceful in pushing them if Obama does not adopt hers.

    But I don't foresee this becoming a point of friction for more than a year at least.

    I would not be surprised if she never ran for President again.
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  14. #234  
    God bless socialism, in no country does it work.
  15.    #235  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    God bless socialism, in no country does it work.
    Ben -- you may want to send that memo to junior ...

    (he's nationalized the banks, the big brokerage/investment banks, and AIG -- the world's largest insurance company)
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  16. #236  
    Once again, look who else is behind it. It is just not Junior.
  17.    #237  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Once again, look who else is behind it. It is just not Junior.


    As BARYE has yet to wrest power from these enfeebled humans, last I checked junior is still "The Decider" ...
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  18. #238  
    Avoid answering them? Good chance I missed them, please point them out. I am sure though you did not miss the one I recently repeated. I read your response to it and there was nothing addressing the question asked - you danced around it.
  19. #239  
    Just leaving the TiVo website from setting the Obama ad on the 29th to record, I'm really curious as to how that's going to factor into the mechanics of things. Personally, I'd rather see something positive that inspires rather than the typical 'October Surprise'.
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  20. #240  
    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Just leaving the TiVo website from setting the Obama ad on the 29th to record, I'm really curious as to how that's going to factor into the mechanics of things. Personally, I'd rather see something positive that inspires rather than the typical 'October Surprise'.
    I don't think he'll have any negative surprises. It will be a message of hope and a final word before the election to seal the deal.

    Now I'd love for him to announce something big - maybe name Warren Buffet as his Treasury Secretary to counter McCain's EBay CEO pick. Chuck Hagel as his Defense Secretary to show he can reach across the isle. That sort of thing...

    Either way, it will be fun finding out. Thanks for reminding to set my Tivo!

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