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  1. #981  
    CC Goldwater endorses Obama - and articulates quite nicely why I'm no longer a Republican.


    Why McCain Has Lost Our Vote

    CC Goldwater
    October 23, 2008


    Being Barry Goldwater's granddaughter and living in Arizona, one would assume that I would be voting for our state's senator, John McCain. I am still struck by certain 'dyed in the wool' Republicans who are on the fence this election, as it seems like a no-brainer to me.

    Myself, along with my siblings and a few cousins, will not be supporting the Republican presidential candidates this year. We believe strongly in what our grandfather stood for: honesty, integrity, and personal freedom, free from political maneuvering and fear tactics. I learned a lot about my grandfather while producing the documentary, Mr. Conservative Goldwater on Goldwater. Our generation of Goldwaters expects government to provide for constitutional protections. We reject the constant intrusion into our personal lives, along with other crucial policy issues of the McCain/Palin ticket.

    My grandfather (Paka) would never suggest denying a woman's right to choose. My grandmother co-founded Planned Parenthood in Arizona in the 1930's, a cause my grandfather supported. I'm not sure about how he would feel about marriage rights based on same-sex orientation. I think he would feel that love and respect for ones privacy is what matters most and not the intolerance and poor judgment displayed by McCain over the years. Paka respected our civil liberties and passed on the message that that we should conduct our lives standing up for the basic freedoms we hold so dear.

    For a while, there were several candidates who aligned themselves with the Goldwater version of Conservative thought. My grandfather had undying respect for the U.S. Constitution, and an understanding of its true meanings.

    There always have been a glimmer of hope that someday, someone would "race through the gate" full steam in Goldwater style. Unfortunately, this hasn't happened, and the Republican brand has been tarnished in a shameless effort to gain votes and appeal to the lowest emotion, fear. Nothing about McCain, except for maybe a uniform, compares to the same ideology of what Goldwater stood for as a politician. The McCain/Palin plan is to appear diverse and inclusive, using women and minorities to push an agenda that makes us all financially vulnerable, fearful, and less safe.

    When you see the candidate's in political ads, you can't help but be reminded of the 1964 presidential campaign of Johnson/Goldwater, the 'origin of spin', that twists the truth and obscures what really matters. Nothing about the Republican ticket offers the hope America needs to regain it's standing in the world, that's why we're going to support Barack Obama. I think that Obama has shown his ability and integrity.

    After the last eight years, there's a lot of clean up do. Roll up your sleeves, Senators Obama and Biden, and we Goldwaters will roll ours up with you.
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cc-gol..._b_137150.html
  2. #982  
    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    CC Goldwater endorses Obama - and articulates quite nicely why I'm no longer a Republican.



    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/cc-gol..._b_137150.html
    Goldwater was a constitution loving libertarian.

    The GOP after Goldwater became increasingly hijacked by the theocratic bible believing moralists -- in coalition with the neocons.

    junior was literally their perfect President
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  3. #983  
    It is consistent of liberal democrats to dismiss any claim that Obama's association to Ayres calls his judgement into question, because Ayers career is one of spending other peoples money.

    That is entirely consistent with socialist philosophy and something liberals are proud of. Ayers is every democrat's friend, terrorist or not.

    Annenburg a Republican, is dead and so no longer in control of his wealth, but it has managed to attract Ayers and Obama types like flys.

    Why would a Conservative seek funding from foundations to support himself?

    Ofcourse liberals, socialists, communists are the ones spending the money. They make themselves specialists in it.

    As I remarked before, the bomb Ayers and Obama planted together was the one that squandered millions, not on teaching kids useful productive skills, but on idealogues to organise the marxist indocrination machine.

    It seems to be working!

    Congrats Comrads!

    http://www.humanevents.com/article.p...t=yes&id=29164

    One of you joked with me that I shouldn't post while drunk.

    It took me a few weeks to get the joke, because I don't drink.

    Then I read about "Mail Goggles"... and finally got it.

    Nope, I'm not drinking, I'm quite sincere and sober in my desire to shame you into looking at your candidate Obama and see him for what he is.

    If you are honest, and don't really believe in communism, you will either not vote at all or hold your nose and vote McCain, because it's the only alternative.

    I'll be gratified with either result.
  4. #984  
    Quote Originally Posted by WHarropson View Post

    If you are honest, and don't really believe in communism, you will either not vote at all or hold your nose and vote McCain, because it's the only alternative.
    I get more interesting information from the right-wing spam that gets plopped into my junk mail folder every day.

    I'll be gratified with either result.
    I'll be gratified when you're proven wrong and actually owe up to how wrong you were. So the insults from you have moved from liberal, to socialist, now communist...what is next, dictator?
  5. #985  
    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    I'll be gratified when you're proven wrong and actually owe up to how wrong you were. So the insults from you have moved from liberal, to socialist, now communist...what is next, dictator?
    "I thought this was an autonomous collective." [/montypython]


    Annenburg a Republican, is dead and so no longer in control of his wealth, but it has managed to attract Ayers and Obama types like flys.
    Annenbueg was alive and well with the creation of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, and was known for personally approving all endowments. He clearly approved of this initiative, so I suppose that he was a socialist as well?

    It amazes me how strident folks are becoming, as they see the election slipping away. The number of clear-thinking Republicans who are now speaking out against McCain and these negative attacks (Powell, Christopher Buckly, Kathleen Parker, CC Goldwater) should be an indication of how extreme and non-inclusive the current Republican party has become.

    Face it, any type of taxation or community endowments are, by definition, "sharing the wealth". McCain's tax plan takes money from people, gives it to the government, and they disburse it. It's the definition of taxation. It's been clearly shown that McCain's plan merely shares it more with those who are already wealthy. Calling it socialism / communism / etc is just one more transparent attack that shows that McCain will say anything to win.
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  6. #986  
    Quote Originally Posted by Bujin View Post
    "I thought this was an autonomous collective." [/montypython]

    Annenbueg was alive and well with the creation of the Chicago Annenberg Challenge, and was known for personally approving all endowments. He clearly approved of this initiative, so I suppose that he was a socialist as well?

    It amazes me how strident folks are becoming, as they see the election slipping away. The number of clear-thinking Republicans who are now speaking out against McCain and these negative attacks (Powell, Christopher Buckly, Kathleen Parker, CC Goldwater) should be an indication of how extreme and non-inclusive the current Republican party has become.

    Face it, any type of taxation or community endowments are, by definition, "sharing the wealth". McCain's tax plan takes money from people, gives it to the government, and they disburse it. It's the definition of taxation. It's been clearly shown that McCain's plan merely shares it more with those who are already wealthy. Calling it socialism / communism / etc is just one more transparent attack that shows that McCain will say anything to win.
    He's got nothing...just like his candidate.

    ...and its starting to look like its all but over http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ama_vs_mccain/

    I'm starting to believe this can happen. My [insert your chosen supreme being here], this country might have actually grown a brain the last 8 years.
  7. #987  
    Who knows what is going to happen; however, Obama and his machine keeps on with the "facts," as indicated at:

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...are_claim.html

    http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2...alth_care.html

    Of course, no one is guiltless.
  8. #988  
    And of course, there is this link by a person who cannot support Obama:

    http://www.fireblades.org/forums/pol...out-obama.html
  9. #989  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    And of course, there is this link by a person who cannot support Obama:

    http://www.fireblades.org/forums/pol...out-obama.html
    Got it... is that suppose to mean something?

    Maybe a little "more" because the guy who typed just so happen to go out his way to say how "black" he was? Then proceeded to say that being "black" has nothing to do with nothing? lol See the comedy in that? Sounds rather ignorant, does it not?

    Anyway, being Christian does not mean much when America collapses around you due to a faulty Presidential agenda. If the Christians are that one-sided, then so be it. Glad the Christians I know and love seem to be able to see the entire picture... Thank you very much.
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  10. #990  
    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Got it... is that suppose to mean something?

    Maybe a little "more" because the guy who typed just so happen to go out his way to say how "black" he was? Then proceeded to say that being "black" has nothing to do with nothing? lol See the comedy in that? Sounds rather ignorant, does it not?

    Anyway, being Christian does not mean much when America collapses around you due to a faulty Presidential agenda. If the Christians are that one-sided, then so be it. Glad the Christians I know and love seem to be able to see the entire picture... Thank you very much.
    I don't believe there has been any verification that Huntley Brown actually penned this letter. I think it is a fake. But even if it is not...what you said. Who friggin' cares! So because the guy is black this letter is supposed to add more credence to his position? That is nearly as bigoted as claiming Obama is not white enough, not black enough, he's an "Arab", etc.
  11. #991  
    Quote Originally Posted by WHarropson View Post

    Nope, I'm not drinking, I'm quite sincere and sober in my desire to shame you into looking at your candidate Obama and see him for what he is.

    If you are honest, and don't really believe in communism, you will either not vote at all or hold your nose and vote McCain, because it's the only alternative.
    Your attempt to paint having the wealthy pay their fair share as communists is actually lovable in it's desperation. Given the fact that disparity between the very rich and working poor increased tremendously under 8 years of "Free Market" (until the greed consumes itself and the rich come banging on the tax payers door) I'd say your tactic will not work.

    What would you call the purchase of national banks by the government? Do you call that free market capitalism? No, that is socialism. You're ok with that however, but when we talk about taxing those bank profits and spending the money on worker retraining yuo start screaming godless communists.

    You and your ilk sicken me.
  12. #992  
    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    I don't believe there has been any verification that Huntley Brown actually penned this letter. I think it is a fake.
    Apparently not. This would be one of those squirrel moments.
    But even if it is not...what you said. Who friggin' cares! So because the guy is black this letter is supposed to add more credence to his position? That is nearly as bigoted as claiming Obama is not white enough, not black enough, he's an "Arab", etc.
    Read his explanation at Snopes for why he felt it necessary to mention that.
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  13. #993  
    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Apparently not. This would be one of those squirrel moments.

    Read his explanation at Snopes for why he felt it necessary to mention that.
    Thanks Toby. Ben is now 1 for 1,455,666.

    I still don't see a reason to circulate this message other than to say, "hey look...this black guy thinks Obama is bad too". The right-wing complained that Powell endorsed Obama based on race and then circulates this email as though another African-American's race lends credibility to his reason not to vote for Obama.

    Putting race aside for a moment (where it belongs), this may as well been written by Pat Robertson to me.
  14. #994  
    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    Putting race aside for a moment (where it belongs), this may as well been written by Pat Robertson to me.
    Pretty much. Too many base assumptions that are not in agreement, not the least of which is his first question to his 'liberal friends'. And on that note, I'm off to NOLA for a weekend among what are statistically likely to be a lot of Obama supporters.
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  15. #995  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    You and your ilk sicken me.
    That sentiment is inconsistent with the spirit of Obama's post-partisan rhetoric.
  16. #996  
    Its is done: I cast my vote for Obama/Biden today. Here's to a brighter future!
  17. #997  
    Quote Originally Posted by pdxtreo View Post
    Its is done: I cast my vote for Obama/Biden today. Here's to a brighter future!
    You're in good company. Charles Fried, a McCain advisor who has been cited in McCain press releases as recent as mid-Sept, has jumped ship from McCain's campaign and voted for Obama!!!!!!!

    Reagan Appointee and (Recent) McCain Adviser Charles Fried Supports Obama

    Charles Fried, a professor at Harvard Law School, has long been one of the most important conservative thinkers in the United States. Under President Reagan, he served, with great distinction, as Solicitor General of the United States. Since then, he has been prominently associated with several Republican leaders and candidates, most recently John McCain, for whom he expressed his enthusiastic support in January.


    This week, Fried announced that he has voted for Obama-Biden by absentee ballot. In his letter to Trevor Potter, the General Counsel to the McCain-Palin campaign, he asked that his name be removed from the several campaign-related committees on which he serves. In that letter, he said that chief among the reasons for his decision "is the choice of Sarah Palin at a time of deep national crisis."
    Fried is exceptionally thoughtful and principled; his vote for Obama is especially noteworthy.
    --Cass. R. Sunstein


    UPDATE:Fried writes to TNR: I admire Senator McCain and was glad to help in his campaign, and to be listed as doing so; but when I concluded that I must vote for Obama for the reason stated in my letter, I felt it wrong to appear to be recommending to others a vote that I was not prepared to cast myself. So it was more of an erasure than a public affirmation--although obviously my vote meant that I thought that Obama was preferable to McCain-Palin. I do not consider abstention a proper option.
    http://www.washingtonmonthly.com/arc..._10/015353.php
    http://blogs.tnr.com/tnr/blogs/the_p...rts-obama.aspx
  18. #998  
    What the heck, since I think it was mentioned (or alluded to) in one of the links above...

    ...also endorsing Obama today - Republican William Weld http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/10...ndorses-obama/

    Former Massachusetts Gov. William Weld, a Republican, endorsed Democrat Barack Obama for president on Friday, citing the senator's steady leadership, good judgment and ability to unify Democrats, Republicans and independents.

    "Sen. Obama is a once-in-a-lifetime candidate who will transform our politics and restore America's standing in the world," Weld said in a statement.

    "We need a president who will lead based on our common values and Sen. Obama demonstrates an ability to unite and inspire. Throughout this campaign I've watched his steady leadership through trying times and I'm confident he is the best candidate to move our country forward," he said.

    Weld joined other prominent Republicans endorsing Obama over GOP nominee John McCain in the campaign's final weeks, including former Secretary of State Colin Powell, former Minnesota Gov. Arne Carlson and Scott McClellan, former press secretary to President Bush.

    Last year, Weld came to New Hampshire to campaign for another former Massachusetts governor, Republican Mitt Romney, who ended his bid for the presidential nomination in February.

    Weld was governor of Massachusetts from 1991 to 1997. Before that, he was U.S. attorney for Massachusetts under President Reagan and was later led the criminal division of the Justice Department.
  19. #1000  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    It would appear so - based upon your articles, those few people are large companies (such as Home Depot) and organizations that represent business (such as the national Chamber of Commerce organization). Is the fact that big business is pro-GOP a big surprise? After all, they very much stand to gain in tax cuts if McCain is elected.

    By the way, if you read the actual articles referenced in your 2nd and 3rd links, the concerns expressed are about the Employee Free Choice Act, and have nothing to do with Obama's economic policy. And your first link refers to Obama's fundraising, nothing to do with economics.

    Every national poll indicates that the public overwhelmingly trusts Obama to handle economic issues better than McCain.
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