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  1. #41  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Ok and the same with Obama. I also believe that adultery is wrong. I also believe that bombing the Pentagon is wrong. I also believe that damning America is wrong. I also believe that associating with and obtaining benefits from people who do things illegally is wrong. So why do you believe it is only wrong with McCain but not Obama? As you say, do not be a lemming. You and Theog faithfully make every possible excuse for Obama, he can do no wrong. We do not agree with what McCain has done and acknowledge that, but you and Theog do not with Obama.

    Do not be a lemming.
    What? McCain's situation is a fact.
    I donít think Iíve read anywhere that Obama bombed the Pentagon. I donít believe Iíve read anywhere that Obama damned America. I donít think Iíve read anywhere that Obama is guilty of accepting bribes or what ever it is youíre trying to insinuate.

    Do not be stupid.
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  2. #42  
    I support him because he's the lesser of two evils. Plus, cheating on your wife has nothing to do with leading the country, at least in my eyes. After all, Bill did it...McCain can, too.
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  3. #43  
    Quote Originally Posted by Iago
    Cone of silence my azz. You know he got wind of the questions.
    He may have known the questions, but I do believe that he couldn't hear what was going on onstage. Otherwise, why would both of them pander to the same question by quoting the same line about 'It's not about me'? I'd say they both read their Rick Warren prep and were ready to pander at the drop of a hat. Obama seemed less comfortable with delivering canned responses like that. I think Obama's only substantive slip up was dodging the human rights question. It was not a theological or a philosophical question. It was a purely legal question in its essence. McCain's knee-jerk response handled it as a 'when does life begin' question, but ultimately, the worldview that _human_rights_ begin at conception is downright chilling.

    While I may personally not understand how a person could choose to kill their unborn child in most circumstances, granting unborn children the same rights as other humans can get legally messy. Does the government then get the ability to regulate all of the mother's health decisions? Does the government get to monitor all women's ovulation cycles in case they conceive? What if the zygote doesn't embed into the uterine wall? That zygote has human rights according to McCain. We need to launch a rescue mission and embed it. Send in the Army.
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  4. #44  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Theog, how long ago was this incident? How long ago did a lot of the incidents involving Obama occur? McCain never denied what happened. His ex-wife never railed against him about the issue. Obama though? The denials are many and are deep. You know where McCain stands, you do not with Obama.

    Incidentally, I am not laughing.
    Mccain's x wife never "railed" at him about his adultry?

    You may want to do some research and change that statement.
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  5. #45  
    Quote Originally Posted by Freak4Dell View Post
    I support him because he's the lesser of two evils. Plus, cheating on your wife has nothing to do with leading the country, at least in my eyes. After all, Bill did it...McCain can, too.
    There are a number of people running for office, not just two.

    Lessor of two evils?

    What about the Keating 5?

    What about McCain's (super) bad temper?

    What about McCain's propensity to hold grudges against people?

    All of this is documented....

    Cheating on his wife was only the start... McCain has a history of character issues.

    Some Veterans don't even like McCain...
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  6. #46  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Ok and the same with Obama. I also believe that adultery is wrong. I also believe that bombing the Pentagon is wrong. I also believe that damning America is wrong. I also believe that associating with and obtaining benefits from people who do things illegally is wrong. So why do you believe it is only wrong with McCain but not Obama? As you say, do not be a lemming. You and Theog faithfully make every possible excuse for Obama, he can do no wrong. We do not agree with what McCain has done and acknowledge that, but you and Theog do not with Obama.

    Do not be a lemming.
    I've not made any excuses for obama... I've dogged obama out plenty of times... unfortunately, all you do is dog obama out (for obvious reasons, which is why you are not really debating).

    All I've done is state the facts...

    Your argument against obama is weak, at best.
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  7. #47  
    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    There are a number of people running for office, not just two.

    Lessor of two evils?

    What about the Keating 5?

    What about McCain's (super) bad temper?

    What about McCain's propensity to hold grudges against people?

    All of this is documented....

    Cheating on his wife was only the start... McCain has a history of character issues.

    Some Veterans don't even like McCain...
    Yeah, I know there are a number of people, but I also know that one of the two is going to win. Voting for somebody else is just a waste of a vote. Gas is too expensive for me to go out to the voting site and throw away my vote like that.

    McCain is not getting mad at me...I don't care if he has a temper or not. In fact, if we're ever in a violent crisis, I'd want somebody who has a temper instead of somebody who probably won't have any idea what to do. At least the person with the temper won't be hesitant to strike back.
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  8. #48  
    Toby, ask the dude on the street when life begins and the answer will probably be at conception if that person is a pro-lifer. If that person is not, then at birth. If that person is ignorant of the politics involved, then you know the answer will be at conception. Messy? Why or why when a pregnant woman is murdered and the child dies as a result of the murder is that person charged with 2 murders? We are there and it is not messy at all - it is a fact. Life begins at conception - our criminal system is all ready there.

    McCain's reaction was not a knee-jerk reaction at all. It was an answer given immediately with no pause; Obama's answer was one of confusion - how can it be answered to please everyone.

    As for the killing of an infant that is outside of the mother's womb, breathing on its own, et cetera, that is a crime in the eyes of almost everyone regardless of where we are located.



    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    He may have known the questions, but I do believe that he couldn't hear what was going on onstage. Otherwise, why would both of them pander to the same question by quoting the same line about 'It's not about me'? I'd say they both read their Rick Warren prep and were ready to pander at the drop of a hat. Obama seemed less comfortable with delivering canned responses like that. I think Obama's only substantive slip up was dodging the human rights question. It was not a theological or a philosophical question. It was a purely legal question in its essence. McCain's knee-jerk response handled it as a 'when does life begin' question, but ultimately, the worldview that _human_rights_ begin at conception is downright chilling.

    While I may personally not understand how a person could choose to kill their unborn child in most circumstances, granting unborn children the same rights as other humans can get legally messy. Does the government then get the ability to regulate all of the mother's health decisions? Does the government get to monitor all women's ovulation cycles in case they conceive? What if the zygote doesn't embed into the uterine wall? That zygote has human rights according to McCain. We need to launch a rescue mission and embed it. Send in the Army.
  9. #49  
    Iago, Obama did not bomb the Pentagon. He did not damn America (not in his own words, though his wife came pretty close to it). What is being said though is that Obama is friends with person/people who did bomb the Pentagon, the police department in New York City and killed a police officer, very close to a minister who damned America, got his house through a very shady deal with a very shady dude. What am I insinuating? Read what I said.


    Quote Originally Posted by Iago View Post
    What? McCain's situation is a fact.
    I donít think Iíve read anywhere that Obama bombed the Pentagon. I donít believe Iíve read anywhere that Obama damned America. I donít think Iíve read anywhere that Obama is guilty of accepting bribes or what ever it is youíre trying to insinuate.

    Do not be stupid.
  10. #50  
    Keating 5 - not a good thing for McCain, but he did own up to it.

    Super bad temper? So what. Bill had a super active ...

    Holding grudges against people? I believe that is not something that is really serious..politics is politics. Nothing like Bill raping...

    Also, some Democrats do not like Obama. Some Democrats do not like Bill. Some Democrats do not like Hillary.

    What a list.

    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    There are a number of people running for office, not just two.

    Lessor of two evils?

    What about the Keating 5?

    What about McCain's (super) bad temper?

    What about McCain's propensity to hold grudges against people?

    All of this is documented....

    Cheating on his wife was only the start... McCain has a history of character issues.

    Some Veterans don't even like McCain...
  11. #51  
    Theog, I have not seen you got out Obama plenty of times. You stand up for him plenty of times though.

    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    I've not made any excuses for obama... I've dogged obama out plenty of times... unfortunately, all you do is dog obama out (for obvious reasons, which is why you are not really debating).

    All I've done is state the facts...

    Your argument against obama is weak, at best.
  12. #52  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Toby, ask the dude on the street when life begins and the answer will probably be at conception if that person is a pro-lifer.
    That was not the question that they were asked.
    If that person is not, then at birth.
    Riddle me this Batman. I think that life begins at conception, and yet, I am not a 'pro-lifer'. Is that possible in your limited worldview?
    If that person is ignorant of the politics involved, then you know the answer will be at conception.
    What? So, you're saying that pro-lifers are ignorant of the politics involved? OK.
    Messy?
    Yes. Perhaps you should try to understand the questions being asked. They were not asked when life begins. They were asked at what point an unborn child was granted 'human rights'.
    Why or why when a pregnant woman is murdered and the child dies as a result of the murder is that person charged with 2 murders?
    You do realize that that is not the case in all 50 states, right?
    We are there and it is not messy at all - it is a fact.
    Except when it's not. "Messy messy messy" - Professor Hinkle
    Life begins at conception - our criminal system is all ready there.
    So, what is the penalty for a zygote not embedding into the uterine wall in Hawaii?
    McCain's reaction was not a knee-jerk reaction at all. It was an answer given immediately with no pause;
    And no thought. That, my friend, is the definition of knee-jerk.
    Obama's answer was one of confusion - how can it be answered to please everyone.
    No, his answer was one of deflection. It was a dodge to avoid answering with something that would be either unpopular among his immediate audience or among his current supporters
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  13. #53  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Keating 5 - not a good thing for McCain, but he did own up to it.

    Super bad temper? So what. Bill had a super active ...

    Holding grudges against people? I believe that is not something that is really serious..politics is politics. Nothing like Bill raping...

    Also, some Democrats do not like Obama. Some Democrats do not like Bill. Some Democrats do not like Hillary.

    What a list.
    Your posts are good humor for a late night....

    Bill is not running... oh, yea, you don't have **** on obama.

    You want someone in office who has a super bad temper? You don't mind? That is amazing... you want someone in office who makes rash decisions. That is strange.

    Dude... mccain's grudges is very serious. He went so far as to call another office in order to not get someone hired due to an argument years prior. Did not work though. Also, he has gotten into shouting matches with a number of people. I can see it now: "G Dam it you russian, get out of georgia or we will blast you into last week!!!" Mccain is a little off....
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  14. #54  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Theog, I have not seen you got out Obama plenty of times. You stand up for him plenty of times though.
    Yea, I'll stand up for anyone against your type of rants....
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  15. #55  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Keating 5 - not a good thing for McCain, but he did own up to it.
    So as long as you "own up" to something, it is OK?

    Also, get it straight, mccain did not "own up" to anything. He got his damn hand cut off while getting caught with his hand in the jar.

    What was he going to say, "That was not me." Yea, right....
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    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    Okay it looks like it is VP time! It is stronly suspected that Obama will be naming his before the week is out. McCain I wouldn't imagine would be too far behind. Willing place any wagers on who each one will pick?



    If I was a betting man I would say:

    Obama => Biden
    McCain => Romney
    Well, obama is going to announce Saturday...

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/...ent/index.html

    One thing I've noticed is that obama knows how to work the media... make that statement on a thurs and get two days of news out of it.... on the third day he announces... more free press....
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  17. #57  
    So bclinger, do you know how many houses you own? hahaha How hard is it to count to 7?

    I can't wait for the debate. I predict a Gerald Ford moment....or two, hahaha
    He may even try and call time out so he can gather his thoughts.
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    And makes me poor indeed."


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  18. #58  
    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    That was not the question that they were asked.
    So you're saying there's some period of time from when HUMAN LIFE begins, and HUMAN RIGHTS are given. Wow...

    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Riddle me this Batman. I think that life begins at conception, and yet, I am not a 'pro-lifer'. Is that possible in your limited worldview?
    I know the question wasn't directed to me, but I feel like answering. Yes, it is possible. In my world, I call people who act upon that principle "murderers".

    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Yes. Perhaps you should try to understand the questions being asked. They were not asked when life begins. They were asked at what point an unborn child was granted 'human rights'.
    If you want to get all technical, he was asked when a baby gets human rights...not an unborn child.

    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    And no thought. That, my friend, is the definition of knee-jerk.
    Why would you need to think about something that you believe in so much that basically, you know it's right? If I ask you what 2+2 is, would you need some time to think about it?

    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    I can see it now: "G Dam it you russian, get out of georgia or we will blast you into last week!!!" Mccain is a little off....
    I bet you those Russians would listen a hell of a lot faster to that than "Russia...it's time for a change. Yes, you can."
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  19. #59  
    Most interesting. At what point does a baby, unborn or not, be given rights related to life? Obama believes in infanticide - documented. He has no value for life if it blocks his goal of advancement. Infanticide is illegal in this country. We do not kill our babies, but Obama has no problem with it. Documented.

    The speeches, have you not heard anything Obama has said off the cuff? When he is asked a question not prepared for, you can count the number of uh's. Seriously, you must have heard him speak this way before. McCain though? no, he speaks very well on his feet, away from the teleprompter, speaking directly to his audience instead of talking down to them.

    Obama's demand that the parties come together (Georgia & Russia) versus McCain calling a spade a spade - who do you think Russia is more likely to pay real close attention to. Freek4Dell really has it right with the statement about Russia. Obama has no guts; he lives by the polls; he says what his very special audiance says and when he says it wrong, the far left loonies really get angry and he immediately changes his story.

    Fact.
  20. #60  
    Quote Originally Posted by Freak4Dell View Post
    So you're saying there's some period of time from when HUMAN LIFE begins, and HUMAN RIGHTS are given. Wow...
    Human life begins at conception. It's basic biology. That being said, do 1 year olds have the same rights as 16 year olds, 18 year olds, 21 year olds, etc.? Humans do not have the same rights at all their developmental stages. What do you think the penalty should be for a zygote not embedding into the uterine wall?
    I know the question wasn't directed to me, but I feel like answering.
    That's fine. I'm sure that Ben was going to Hannitize the question anyway.
    Yes, it is possible. In my world, I call people who act upon that principle "murderers".
    Interesting leap there.
    If you want to get all technical, he was asked when a baby gets human rights...not an unborn child.
    Considering the context of the question, it was pretty clear that he was talking about unborn 'babies'.
    Why would you need to think about something that you believe in so much that basically, you know it's right?
    Why would you need to understand a question to give the correct 'right answer'?
    If I ask you what 2+2 is, would you need some time to think about it?
    Depending on the context, yes. Do you play poker?
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