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  1. #21  
    Theog, how was it against him? Answering the abortion question would cause him problems no matter how he answered it - thing is, he did not answer it! and that is the problem I and many others have. You support abortion - fine and I can handle that. Obama though did not answer the question. If he knew what he was walking in to, then why was he not prepared? McCain has been in the same position and he has answered the questions. Both candidates have appeared at the same locations bunches of times and this is no different.

    Again, classic Obama as I and others have said before. At no time does he answer a question - he talks about it, but does not answer it and this has happened time and time before.

    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    What is interesting is obama agreeing to meet at Saddleback Church... he already knew the stakes were against him. Like walking into the lion's den looking for food. No matter how he answered the abortion question, he was toast.

    The other part is how underrated mccain is in debates. He won the nomination by ripping into his competition during debates. All the while smiling and saying "my friend."

    The official debates do not start for weeks so we will see how that goes. Of course the way obama answers questions will work better in a real debate forum. Where if mccain sticks to sound bites, he will get dusted. Of course, mccain is good, so I venture to say he will change his style.
  2. #22  
    What amazed me was that he had an answer on which Supreme Court Justice he did not like, but no answer on when life began. His criticism of the juror was amazing. Obama has no experience in this area. His "experience" of being a professor, et cetera - has he written any opinions? The guy he dislikes has written over 300 of them. When Obama gets asked a Constitutional issue question, he talks around it - he has never answered one.

    If anyone thinks we need a president that cannot take a stand, then we have a serious problem. We need a president that takes issues, lets people know where he stands. We knew where Billy stood on issues, we do not know where Obama stands on issues. "Just words, just speeches" and he is an expert at that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Freak4Dell View Post
    I think bclinger answered for me. The questions asked during that forum were very specific. Pastor Rick Warren didn't ask the candidates to recite an essay they wrote about everything and anything related to the question. He asked for the answer to the specific question he asked. When asked when life begins, Obama started talking about how to reduce abortions...and played it off with the excuse that the real answer is beyond his pay grade. Last time I checked, that question was a matter of opinion, and the answer doesn't discriminate by pay grade. If it did, there'd be no point in asking, because it would be under God's pay grade, and only His.
  3. #23  
    Obama's VP candidate will be someone who has as little experience as he does - let me introduce MR. VIRGINIA! Two people with NO experience. What are we geting ourselves into.

    Without hesitation I would support Romney - an excellent balance.

    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Any of the names I've heard being kicked around would make good vp choices for either obama or mccain. I don't think there is a "clear" vp choice here.

    Although, if you are playing the "state" game, biden does not offer obama much... Deleware? lol.... but face it, biden would be ok. Heck, biden could be president....

    Romney would be a disaster for mccain. Anyone mccain picks would be a disaster. lol I think mccain should get jeb bush!
  4. #24  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Obama's VP candidate will be someone who has as little experience as he does - let me introduce MR. VIRGINIA! Two people with NO experience. What are we geting ourselves into.

    Without hesitation I would support Romney - an excellent balance.
    Wow... you would support someone... that is amazing... I'm shocked.

    Bush had "experience." Look where THAT got us.... Obama has more than enough experience when compared to mccain. Guess mccain has been though the Keating 5... and cheating on his first wife... bad temper... holding massive grudges against people, etc.... is that the experience we need?

    But we won't mention those things... does not matter, right?

    Again, obama answered the question just fine.... because you did not like the answer does not make it wrong. Get over it already... visiting this board and having to read your agenda-based posts will get old quickly... oh, well...
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  5. #25  
    What answer did he give? The experience level between Obama and McCain is clearly in McCain's advantage. There is nothing in Obama's past other than his activism.

    McCain and his first wife - that again is old news and does not support anything like you are implying. It does not though present him in a good light.

    You fail to mention Obama's association with a murderer, a terrorist, a crooked businessman, the way he got his current residence, the list is not short at all. In addition, you fail to mention his 20 year presence in a church and claiming loudly he knew not what was going on, then had to retract it step-by-step.

    You are really not doing well here.



    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Wow... you would support someone... that is amazing....

    Bush had "experience." Look where THAT got us.... Obama has more than enough experience when compared to mccain. Guess mccain has been though the Keating 5... and cheating on his first wife... is that the experience we need?

    But we won't mention that... does not matter, right?

    Again, obama answered the question just freaking fine.... because you did not like the answer does not make it wrong. Get over it already... visiting this board and having to read your agenda-based posts will get old quickly... oh, well....
  6. #26  
    Quote Originally Posted by Freak4Dell View Post
    I think bclinger answered for me. The questions asked during that forum were very specific. Pastor Rick Warren didn't ask the candidates to recite an essay they wrote about everything and anything related to the question. He asked for the answer to the specific question he asked. When asked when life begins, Obama started talking about how to reduce abortions...and played it off with the excuse that the real answer is beyond his pay grade. Last time I checked, that question was a matter of opinion, and the answer doesn't discriminate by pay grade. If it did, there'd be no point in asking, because it would be under God's pay grade, and only His.
    You said obama did not have an answer.... but then state that obama did have an answer.

    Problem: You did not think obama's answer was an answer. I see.

    I doubt if it would have mattered how obama answered the question, you would have found fault. Really.

    Personally, I think the answer falls on the woman and man in question... how does the gov't fit?

    Not really an important issue right now anyway... we are wasting time not discussing the real issues.

    If you don't like abortion, this forum will not change your mind... one of those issues....
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  7. #27  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    You fail to mention Obama's association with a murderer, a terrorist, a crooked businessman, the way he got his current residence, the list is not short at all. In addition, you fail to mention his 20 year presence in a church and claiming loudly he knew not what was going on, then had to retract it step-by-step.
    Ah, but I have... read my old posts about both obama and mccain....

    Gotcha....

    But I know you have not mentioned anything negative about mccain. That is our difference...

    But I'm talking about mccain's DIRECT issues. The issues you mention with obama are about other people. Obama and all of Illinois knew the guy in question... okay he was in church... but he wrote the pastor off.... you NEVER could provide a picture of obama in the audience while those sermons were preached.

    You fail badly...
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  8. #28  
    Obama had an answer. It's not like he sat there silently staring at Pastor Warren. His answer just didn't happen to answer the question that was asked of him.

    If Obama thought the answer falls on the man and woman involved, why didn't he say so? If he has any opinion at all, why didn't he say so?

    Oh and did you catch the part about why he wouldn't support a Constitutional amendment? Because historically, the Constitution has not said anything on abortion. Well, no ****, Sherlock. I believe that's what amendments are for...when the Constitution failed to mention something that the majority of the public feels should be mentioned now (whether that be to ban something or allow it).
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  9. #29  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    McCain and his first wife - that again is old news and does not support anything like you are implying. It does not though present him in a good light.
    So tell us how we should imply this?

    I'll hold my laughter until after your weak reply.
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  10. #30  
    Obama's answer on abortion was not a direct one - he side-stepped it and that is what we are speaking of. If he had answered it, that would be a different issue entirely.

    The answer falls on the woman and man AND society; the government really should not be involved at all, which is not what the left/liberal side of this society wants. The left/liberal society wants a "feel good" attitude endorsed by the government, meaning everything is legal if you feel good about it.

    If the government did not endorse abortion, you would be exceedingly vocal, claiming a violation of...or whatever.

    Not an important issue? It is a defining issue for the majority of this country. It is an issue that Obama cannot win with. He alienates the conservatives of this country by endorsing abortion and infanticide. He alienates the loonies of the Democrat party by moving to the center. His moving to the center makes the "evangelical" segment a bit happier and angers the far left. Obama chose his stands long, long ago. He has defined himself by those stands long, long ago. The guy is just plain afraid of alienating people until he is trapped and then he throws the under the bus.

    It would be interesting if someone were to post a poll to determine what per centage of us supports infanticide - not to be confused with abortion.
  11. #31  
    Quote Originally Posted by Freak4Dell View Post
    Obama had an answer. It's not like he sat there silently staring at Pastor Warren. His answer just didn't happen to answer the question that was asked of him.

    If Obama thought the answer falls on the man and woman involved, why didn't he say so? If he has any opinion at all, why didn't he say so?

    Oh and did you catch the part about why he wouldn't support a Constitutional amendment? Because historically, the Constitution has not said anything on abortion. Well, no ****, Sherlock. I believe that's what amendments are for...when the Constitution failed to mention something that the majority of the public feels should be mentioned now (whether that be to ban something or allow it).
    okay... and?

    Again, you did not like his answers.... so? You keep saying the same thing over and over, but you are not getting anyplace....
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  12. #32  
    He sat there for 20 years and never heard, then he changed his story and sadly he has refused to list the dates he attended. Once again he has and will continue to avoid this issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Ah, but I have... read my old posts about both obama and mccain....

    Gotcha....

    But I know you have not mentioned anything negative about mccain. That is our difference...

    But I'm talking about mccain's DIRECT issues. The issues you mention with obama are about other people. Obama and all of Illinois knew the guy in question... okay he was in church... but he wrote the pastor off.... you NEVER could provide a picture of obama in the audience while those sermons were preached.

    You fail badly...
  13. #33  
    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    So tell us how we should imply this?

    I'll hold my laughter until after your weak reply.
    Well, the fact that it happened 28 years ago is kind of a clue.

    I'm not saying that makes up for it (I personally think cheating in a marriage is one of the worst things you could ever do), but it doesn't really have any effect on any leadership role he holds.
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  14. #34  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Obama's answer on abortion was not a direct one - he side-stepped it and that is what we are speaking of. If he had answered it, that would be a different issue entirely..
    So you go from he did not answer to now you believe his answer was not a direct one.

    ****, I have other forums to visit... you kids are weak.
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  15. #35  
    Are you now admitting that Obama did not answer the question properly? He is not saying the same thing over and over again and getting no place. What he is saying over and over again is that Obama does not answer questions put forth to him in an appropriate manner. You are not getting any place.

    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    okay... and?

    Again, you did not like his answers.... so? You keep saying the same thing over and over, but you are not getting anyplace....
  16. #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    okay... and?

    Again, you did not like his answers.... so? You keep saying the same thing over and over, but you are not getting anyplace....
    If you don't understand my point by now...just give up. You'll never get it.
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  17. #37  
    Theog, he did not directly answer the question he side stepped it and from your responses, it is exceedingly evident that you missed that portion of the debate. To give an answer of "pay grade" does not answer the question and that cannot be denied.

    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    So you go from he did not answer to now you believe his answer was not a direct one.

    ****, I have other forums to visit... you kids are weak.
  18. #38  
    Theog, how long ago was this incident? How long ago did a lot of the incidents involving Obama occur? McCain never denied what happened. His ex-wife never railed against him about the issue. Obama though? The denials are many and are deep. You know where McCain stands, you do not with Obama.

    Incidentally, I am not laughing.

    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    So tell us how we should imply this?

    I'll hold my laughter until after your weak reply.
  19. #39  
    Quote Originally Posted by Freak4Dell View Post
    Well, the fact that it happened 28 years ago is kind of a clue.

    I'm not saying that makes up for it (I personally think cheating in a marriage is one of the worst things you could ever do), but it doesn't really have any effect on any leadership role he holds.
    Well, if it’s one of the worst things you could do, why would you support him? Effective leadership requires character. If your emperor has no clothes (character), and you know this, why would you want to continue the charade? Don’t be a lemming. More Americans should be like that innocent child in the story and tell it like it is.

    If he would screw over his wife, he would definitely have fun nailing you/us. Character matters.
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  20. #40  
    Ok and the same with Obama. I also believe that adultery is wrong. I also believe that bombing the Pentagon is wrong. I also believe that damning America is wrong. I also believe that associating with and obtaining benefits from people who do things illegally is wrong. So why do you believe it is only wrong with McCain but not Obama? As you say, do not be a lemming. You and Theog faithfully make every possible excuse for Obama, he can do no wrong. We do not agree with what McCain has done and acknowledge that, but you and Theog do not with Obama.

    Do not be a lemming.
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