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    DA, nothing the man does pleases you. If he is on a family picnic, you would be angry. If he is driving his pickup truck without a seat belt, you would be angry. I am sure you noticed what Clinton was doing when he was "waring" - were you just as angry? Why not pick something worth getting angry over - like the price of gas, food used for gas, our elected representatives and how they are handling the gas/food situation, how they think they can raise taxes and help everyone in the process.

    Ben
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    DA, nothing the man does pleases you. If he is on a family picnic, you would be angry. If he is driving his pickup truck without a seat belt, you would be angry. I am sure you noticed what Clinton was doing when he was "waring" - were you just as angry? Why not pick something worth getting angry over - like the price of gas, food used for gas, our elected representatives and how they are handling the gas/food situation, how they think they can raise taxes and help everyone in the process.

    Ben
    I think his statement speaks for itself to ALL service people.
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    I read this last night....

    I've decided to give it a couple of days before I make an "official" response... I would rather not type something I might regret later....

    My initial response was anger. Then I was hurt. Then I got angry again. As I type this my ears are hot... I'm still angry about it....

    As a vet and someone with family serving in the wars (afg & Iraq), I'm not sure how someone could equate giving up golf to the sacrifices military people have to endure. And sacrifices we have to live with long after the war will be over... the VA was not created for shts and giggles.

    He is worried about his image while the VA down the street from him is in disrepair.

    I might be looking at it the wrong way though... that is why I'm giving it a couple of days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    ...As a vet and someone with family serving in the wars (afg & Iraq), I'm not sure how someone could equate giving up golf to the sacrifices military people have to endure. And sacrifices we have to live with long after the war will be over... the VA was not created for shts and giggles.

    He is worried about his image while the VA down the street from him is in disrepair.

    I might be looking at it the wrong way though... that is why I'm giving it a couple of days.
    Perhaps, just perhaps, he was not suggesting that giving up golf was an equal sacrifice. Perhaps, he found it not fitting to be engaged in a leisurely pasttime while his direct reports are enduring the sacrifices you know so well.

    At risk of inspiring similar ire, I would offer that any offense found in this deed is closely related to the offended party's view of the man, not the matter.
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    As a former soldier myself I am equally upset, though not for the same reasons.

    IF I were overseas in some foriegn land, I would want people to play golf, X-Box and so forth (yes, the President too). That's why I signed up--to protect those very freedoms (freedom to enjoy life however that may be).

    Two things stick out from my time in Bosnia:

    1 - A class of elementary children drew pictures to send to us (not by name). We didn't know any of the kids, but each of us got a 8x11 picture to post on our wall in our room.

    2 - Upon arriving back my family was unable to make it to the airport. A friend's family was and his sister (whom I did not know) made me feel very appreciated by simply holding up a sign with my name on it. I remember seeing the sign from the window of the plane with my name on it juxtapose many other signs with names. It was a great feeling to be thought of.
    No problem should ever be solved twice.

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    D.L., very well said! The sacrafices made by our military allow all of us to be free, including those liberals among us, as they seem to always be mad at something. With that much anger, think what they could do on a topic worth getting angry over.
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    love how this thread is titled.
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    Meant that way to stir up the old people around here.
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    It is sort of like Barack Hussein Obama saying he will meet with certain leaders ... President Bush gives a speech and talks about parlaying with terrorists ... and Barack Hussein Obama and others like Yellin' Dean saying it is an attack against Barack Hussein Obama - an attack! Gosh, didn't Barack Hussein Obama say that?

    Talk about being overly sensitive and never happy and always complaining. They just like to talk and say what people want to hear and then deny it when caught.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shopharim View Post
    I would offer that any offense found in this deed is closely related to the offended party's view of the man, not the matter.
    Nothing to do with party.... I'm neither dem or rep.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DL.Cummings View Post
    IF I were overseas in some foriegn land, I would want people to play golf, X-Box and so forth (yes, the President too). That's why I signed up--to protect those very freedoms (freedom to enjoy life however that may be).
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    That is why I said he is only "worried about his image."

    I'm all into protecting freedoms and the whole nine... I think you are going in a different direction, but one that is welcome... unlike someone else in this thread....
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Talk about being overly sensitive and never happy and always complaining. They just like to talk and say what people want to hear and then deny it when caught.
    You know, that sounds a lot like you.
    Iago

    "Good name in man and woman, dear my lord, Is the immediate jewel of their souls: Who steals my purse steals trash . . . But he that filches from me my good name Robs me of that which not enriches him
    And makes me poor indeed."


    Criminal: A person with predatory instincts who has not sufficient capital to form a corporation.
    - Howard Scott
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    It is sort of like Barack Hussein Obama saying he will meet with certain leaders ... President Bush gives a speech and talks about parlaying with terrorists ... and Barack Hussein Obama and others like Yellin' Dean saying it is an attack against Barack Hussein Obama - an attack! Gosh, didn't Barack Hussein Obama say that?

    Talk about being overly sensitive and never happy and always complaining. They just like to talk and say what people want to hear and then deny it when caught.
    I'll be glad when you contribute something of worth to any thread... we get that you hate obama... we get it already, you don't like him for being black. We get it already.

    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    With that much anger, think what they could do on a topic worth getting angry over.
    I think people get angry at ignorance quicker than anything... I get angry every time I read your posts.

    Ok, not really... actually I get a good laugh at your posts... you do MUCH for the republican party. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    That is why I said he is only "worried about his image.
    His image presents somewhat of a dilemma for me. On one hand I think he should simply do the right thing, period. On the other hand, I realize that he needs, to some degree, to worry about his image.

    That said, he surely could have found some other way to deal with his image.

    As for golf? I hate it so he is more than welcome to take my place on the green.
    No problem should ever be solved twice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DL.Cummings View Post
    His image presents somewhat of a dilemma for me. On one hand I think he should simply do the right thing, period. On the other hand, I realize that he needs, to some degree, to worry about his image.

    That said, he surely could have found some other way to deal with his image.

    As for golf? I hate it so he is more than welcome to take my place on the green.
    The problem is not his image. We all have an image to uphold. I don't mind that. When I used to wear the uniform, there was a certain way you had to act. If I were president, I'd have to uphold a certain image. I understand "image."

    The problem is that he is connecting his "image" issue with that of OUR service (since you are a vet) and the service of people currently in the military. He gives up golf to relate to the pain I've had since the 90s? To the sacrifices men and women are providing for us today? Their families? To the ones we lost?

    I think we are basically saying the same thing.

    **me being mean: if he wants to relate, he should give up both legs and only receive medical attention from the VA down the street from him. Oh, wait, then he would have to give up mountain bike riding. That might be too much!


    For the record: every time I've been to the VA, I've received excellent care. The VA does have some issues, but most of the people in the VA work hard to ensure they provide great care for our vets. Having VA centers in disrepair should never happen. I'm not saying VA hospitals should be new, but I am saying they should be maintained to a higher standard than they are now. As the CIC, this falls directly on Bush.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    I think we are basically saying the same thing.
    Pretty much, it was bound to happen.
    No problem should ever be solved twice.

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    Theog - that really is a racial statement - and frankly bothers me. At no time have I indicated a dislike for the man, just his politics. At no time have I stated I disliked him for his race, just his politics. On the other hand, you hate anyone who disagrees with you. Your statement is worth a complaint.

    Ben

    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    I'll be glad when you contribute something of worth to any thread... we get that you hate obama... we get it already, you don't like him for being black. We get it already.



    I think people get angry at ignorance quicker than anything... I get angry every time I read your posts.

    Ok, not really... actually I get a good laugh at your posts... you do MUCH for the republican party. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Theog - that really is a racial statement - and frankly bothers me. At no time have I indicated a dislike for the man, just his politics. At no time have I stated I disliked him for his race, just his politics. On the other hand, you hate anyone who disagrees with you. Your statement is worth a complaint.

    Ben
    Whatever.... you can spin until your tires fall off...

    Actually, if you read my posts, I disagree with people all over the place... I respect what they have to say. I may not agree with them, but we can normally agree to disagree... I can get to a common ground... or I bail out the convo if it starts going no place.

    You are here to spread a hate message. You attempt to wrap it in a nice package. Your message is clear. Your intent is clear. Don't get upset because I don't fall for the "I don't like his politics" BS. Your message is nothing but hate toward obama so please stop your whining when someone calls you out.

    And you don't like obama because he is black... I'll call it like I see it. In every post I see of yours so new people understand you. Matter of fact, I might change my signature. lol I'm here to destroy *evil.* lol
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    Reminder: At any point when the discussion goes from the topic to referring specifically to you or he or fellow posters, I will be forced to closed this thread. While you are allowed to discuss politics, do not turn discussions into personal attacks.
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