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  1. #41  
    Quote Originally Posted by questionfear View Post
    I usually lurk, but what the hell I am feeling chatty.

    My top 3:

    -The economy
    -Universal health care/affordable health care
    -Same-sex marriage

    It's reasonable to assume that 2/3 of that will be addressed, probably in some acceptable measure or another, by whoever gets elected. Maybe McCain less so for my views on some things than others, but mostly all three agree there's issues all around. And if McCain picks a fiscal conservative/social moderate as his VP then we'll definitely get somewhere on the first two.

    As for the third...no one's touching that with a ten foot pole this election. While it sucks, I would rather see it be ignored than turned into something to be vilified, like the current administration. No news is good news sometimes, sucky as that is.
    With the health care policy that mccain introduced, I don't think it will get anyplace. Apparently, Bush introduced a policy similar and it was shot down. (I've not compared the two plans, so I don't know how "similar" they are.)

    No, I've not heard much talk on the same-sex marriage front... although, obama for sure has said that their should be some type ceremony and if they are married should receive legal benefits. I don't recall if obama was for or against same-sex marriage (there is a difference).

    I know for sure that mccain said he was against same-sex marriage. I don't know his stance on the ceremonies or legal rights for same-sex couples.

    Hillary... I'm not sure either way.
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  2. #42  
    Has anyone considered another BIG threat - the expansion of the Chinese military? The building of bases large enough to house multiple nuclear submarines and aircraft carriers (Telegraph / Janes) - the candidates have this thing that by ignoring our military and not properly fixing the economy, we have nothing to worry about.
  3. #43  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Has anyone considered another BIG threat - the expansion of the Chinese military?
    Yes... there is a growing (but silent) concern I see popping up here and there.

    Even if you read the stories of the Chinese "testing" our defenses in "accidents." The last I've heard was the Chinese submarine that surfaced in the middle of a US Naval exercise.

    Of course, things like that catch everyone off guard and makes the Chinese look as to say, "Our technology has arrived."

    I remember in the late 80s, while in the military, we were going over (unclassified event) the powers in the world. The Chinese at the time had the largest conventional military in the world (I believe it was in the world... it was larger than the US anyway). They do have older technology, but the Chinese are steadily increasing their military budget every year and modernizing their military.

    Not to mention their other priorities such as space flight and space warfare (they blew up a satellite last year).

    I know they have nuclear capabilities, but I'm not sure how much. I'd guess it is enough to blow the world to heaven and back many times over... lol

    And not to mention how reliant we are on China. So the US (and other countries) fund the Chinese government. Ironic... lol

    We will see Chinese cars in America within 10 years, I'd guess....

    With the global economy, I'm not sure how much we can "worry" about china. Obviously they are going to rise to match the USA within 100 years, unless something throws them off course. But what can be done? What should be done?

    China is just as reliant upon us as we are of them. For right now.

    That is my thought on it... right or wrong... lol
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  4. #44  
    On this we agree for the most part. China's burgeoning economy is what is fueling its military expansion. America's no longer burgeoning economy is what is fueling our military expansion. China's economy knows no limits at this time, ours does. China is expected to have 5 nuclear submarines on line by 2010. Six carries in the next 5-10 years. When China is ready, I hope to God we are too.

    The link to the story is http://www.telegraph.co.uk/global/ma...ex/nchina2.xml.



    Ben
  5. #45  
    The only country in the world that can have a good military is the U.S.

    Right.

    China has abused their military power ALL THROUGHOUT history.

    Right.

    What does Chinese people have to do with this? China's military would have crushed any and all millitary during its prime. But did China go around the world and colonizing other soverign countries? No.

    Did the U.S.? Plenty of times.

    It's so funny to hear Americans say this about other countries. Like the U.S. is a good role model for China? haha.

    What can the U.S. do to thwart the Economic and Military and any progress or growth of another country..... that IS a good question....because the U.S. should always be the most powerful and when another country is coming up, we need to DO SOMETHING TO PREVEN IT!!!!

    I'm an American citizen of Taiwanese descent. I see both sides, and it is really funny to me to be accusing China, or Iraq, or Iran of wrongdoing. Look at ourselves man.
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    Oops, I forgot, Israel can do whatever they want. Only U.S. and Israel.
  7. #47  
    There are propaganda being thrown around in both countries.

    China is sooooo evil because of how they are dealing with Tibet, and U.S. is sooo good because they invaded Iraq for the oil, meanwhile spewing more propaganda?

    I wouldn't worry about CHina's military provokeing or "first striking".

    I would however worry about the U.S. continue to first strike the rest of the world into oblivion.
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    Or is it that the U.S. knows that they can't first strike China and get away with it?

    That's why we are afraid of China? and not Iraq? Iran? Let's pick on the small guys, and use propaganda against the big guys because we can't bomb them and get away with it.
  9. #49  
    Quote Originally Posted by chenling View Post
    I see both sides, and it is really funny to me to be accusing China, or Iraq, or Iran of wrongdoing. Look at ourselves man.
    Who has accused china of doing anything wrong? Outside of playing "war games" with out military every now and again.

    Far as I know, we are simply talking "threats to the US." Heck, china is a big threat.... or you don't agree?

    Far as I also see no one is suggesting we "take over" or "disarm" china. Where did you see that?

    Think you are reading a bit much into a bunch of armchair analysts (people like myself) openly discussing a topic like a couple of "good old boys" sitting under a shade tree. lol...

    You seem to be creating panic for yourself in a thread that has none.... relax.
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