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  1. #21  
    I would assert that this so-called victimless crime, isn't so victimless (particularly in this case). You see Spitzer has a wife (who did not consent). While in this particular instance, there appears to be no STD, such is not always the case. Additionally, while people would like to ignore this aspect, Mrs. Spitzer is at risk of emotional damage.

    When does a private act between adults -- or even an act committed to oneself -- become worthy of criminal sanction ??
    One may argue that it would when it interferes with the public good. While I don't think I would go as far, one may extrapolate the concept of marriage being a foundational building block of our society.

    NOTE: Some scoff at the idea of marriage having such value; those are also the same who readily quote the failings of society.

    While potentially not a criminal act for the public, public office may demand higher expectations as it carries the potential for damage to the public good.

    Who has been harmed ??
    The wife? Or is she exempt from any harm?

    Why is it of your concern ??
    The public is rather limited in its ability to actively judge the ethics and morals of a public official. The concept is that if a man's own wife cannot trust him, how can we? Obviously not fool proof, it is indeed one more avenue to use in judging the character of a person.




    Here's what is odd:

    Many men have wives who appear to take no qualms with their hubby having a subscription to Playboy or Hustler. Additionally, many women also have no concerns about their hubby visiting strip clubs.

    If such an act is so trivial (as you intently keep making out to be by your descriptions), why is it that we don't see women coming out and acknowledging their husband actively engaging with prostitutes with their FULL consent? We see it quite frequently with magazines and strip clubs (jiggle joints as a co-worker calls them), but oddly enough they stop advocating acceptance when it goes past looking and minimal touching.

    Really, anyone sitting around and pompously attempting to minimize prostitution as a mere act between two consenting individuals is doing nothing but through wives of those husbands under the bus.


    That said, I agree it shouldn't be a criminal offense between a man and his government. I do reserve the right to keep it an offense between a man and his wife (thus, she may rightfully request divorce and he suffer the same legal consequences as currently administrated).
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  2. #22  
    I don't get it . The Sanctity of Marriage ! What a crock ! It's not Magic ! I've seen a few good ones some bad ones , and a lot of so sos . It depended on the people involved and the situations that they were in . Everyone has there story and I would not rush to judgment . People blow up sexual infidelity into this Huge sin and use it as a tool to one up . Take a look around . Sex happens in the darndist places ! Some of us were blessed with a lot of Sexy . Some not so much but its not that complex . What a wast , I wish for all the horny a joyous release . and for all of the innocent a sweet dream .
  3. #23  
    It seems to me that some of you want to debate whether or not prostitution should be legalized. It certainly merits discussion I suppose but it has little to do with the here and now for Spitzer. Under current laws, prostitution is illegal. As such, Mr. Spitzer may have broken numerous laws (let's not forget he's innocent till proven guilty) as Hobbes has outlined in the other thread.

    There is a considerable difference in sexual indiscretions between consenting adults (like Clinton and Lewinsky) vs. transgressions that break the law. If Spitzer is proven guilty of paying a prostitute a single $1 for sex, then he broke the law. So as much as I'm on about hypocrisy up here, that in and of itself did not break any laws. If hypocrisy were criminalized we'd have very few politicians left to run the country....if that is what you want to call what they do with our country (another tirade...another day).
  4. #24  
    What I see as the most valuable lesson to be learned though is that " the sex act " is what propagated this whole epic and unrealistic laws have ruined more lives and diverted our attention from real progress for so long . Instead of facing our fears and coming out of our closets we make another sacrifice and we hope somehow it will make us a little cleaner . In our still less than perfect state of social harmony If we spent more effort on real dialog and self searching instead of law worship and witch burning maybe we could transcend some of this ?
  5. #25  
    Quote Originally Posted by byronchurch View Post
    What I see as the most valuable lesson to be learned though is that " the sex act " is what propagated this whole epic and unrealistic laws have ruined more lives and diverted our attention from real progress for so long . Instead of facing our fears and coming out of our closets we make another sacrifice and we hope somehow it will make us a little cleaner . In our still less than perfect state of social harmony If we spent more effort on real dialog and self searching instead of law worship and witch burning maybe we could transcend some of this ?
    Actually he got caught because of the money trail if I recall - the " sex act " was what they found as they followed the money. Now I agree that the story is even more sensational because it is about sex. And I won't necessarily agree or disagree with your obvious sentiment that laws against prostitution aren't worth the paper they are written on. But it is the law. And since Spitzer prosecuted several prostitution ring cases he certainly knew those laws very well.
  6. #26  
    Quote Originally Posted by byronchurch View Post
    What I see as the most valuable lesson to be learned though is that " the sex act " is what propagated this whole epic and unrealistic laws have ruined more lives and diverted our attention from real progress for so long . [...]
    Is that the most valuable lesson? Sure it isn't something about glass houses?
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  7. #27  
    Yeah but beyond the (gotcha!) There's (at Least) 2 victims to every story . Catch another sex offender , Catch another hypocrite , society gets off scot free , not so exciting . Break the cycle by Healing the disfunction now that would be interesting !
  8. #28  
    Quote Originally Posted by byronchurch View Post
    Break the cycle by Healing the disfunction now that would be interesting !
    In most cases that could be corrected if people would just take responsibility for the crap they do rather than use BS excuses.
  9. #29  
    Quote Originally Posted by rjuhl View Post
    Personally, I don't think VOLUNTARY prostitution should be a crime.
    I agree, but it should be controlled and all the nasty sideeffect should remain illegal.
    I'd rather see frustrated men go to prostitutes than take it out on an innocent woman.

    Beside you can make it illegal but you are not going to stop it happening, thinking you can would be naive... they don't call it the oldest profesion without a reason...
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