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  1. #221  
    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    If you look at my post from a week before the Iowa Caucuses, you'll see that the consensus then was that Obama would win.
    Who, Toby? That was the only person who had the guts to respond before Iowa voted.

    You nailed it had you stuck with your first thoughts and predictions...

    both you and daThomas know what to say to rile BARYE ...
    I hope you are joking...

    I meant nothing by it... I meant it to be a compliment....

    I may not care for rove that much, but you have to admit the guy is good... darn good. He makes all the right "guesses." lol... actually, he builds plans made of gold... Much like obama's plan in Iowa....
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  2.    #222  
    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post

    ...You nailed it had you stuck with your first thoughts and predictions...

    I hope you are joking... I meant nothing by it... I meant it to be a compliment....

    I may not care for rove that much, but you have to admit the guy is good... darn good. He makes all the right "guesses." lol... actually, he builds plans made of gold... Much like obama's plan
    in Iowa....
    pissed at you ??? -- daThomas maybe -- but no one else.

    The irony about me and daThomas is that though we've known of each other on this forum from back in OT's "golden days", we've probably interacted more here in this thread (at least me toward him) than ever in the past.

    Perhaps because there is something about him that resonates with me on a particular harmonic -- perhaps I see a little of myself or people I know, in how he is.

    I will now hunker down and await some pungent slam ...

    (edit --- and no, for the record, I'm not actually much pissed at daThomas either )
    Last edited by BARYE; 04/18/2008 at 06:37 PM.
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  3. #223  
    I hope she can pull off the unlikely, and win the nomination. That would make for an interesting fall, with Hillary losing to McCain by a significant margin. These 3 candidates are clearly not our best, but given this choice, it will be McCain.
  4. #224  
    Just a thought here, what happened to Hillary? Obama was finally asked a couple of tough questions and tried to avoid answering in detail. Notice how he tried to turn terrorism, an illegal act, into a discussion of the death penalty, a legal act.

    Ben
  5. #225  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Just a thought here, what happened to Hillary? Obama was finally asked a couple of tough questions and tried to avoid answering in detail. Notice how he tried to turn terrorism, an illegal act, into a discussion of the death penalty, a legal act.

    Ben
    What you just said makes no sense... the question does not fit the answer.

    And of course he went on to turn it around to a sound bit... that is normal... that is why you have to read and not get all your news from TV.
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  6. #226  
    Quote Originally Posted by kgilbertsen View Post
    I hope she can pull off the unlikely, and win the nomination. That would make for an interesting fall, with Hillary losing to McCain by a significant margin. These 3 candidates are clearly not our best, but given this choice, it will be McCain.
    Why do you think mccain is the best candidate?

    He is only know starting to roll out his plan to America... even he stated the stuff on his website is not his "final plan for his Presidency." I think they said everything would be fixed and completed in May or June. He is starting to roll some thing out...

    I have great concerns over his "summer holiday from gas tax" plan he released recently (would cost 10 billion). To put plainly the plan would take a surplus in our budget to fix roads and bridges to a 7 billion deficit. Yes, the same bridges (and other infrastructure) that desperately needs repair. Although, mccains camp has suggested revenues would balance it out. I'm not so sure we need a band aid fix.... we need something with substance.

    I like some of mccains ideas and plans, although, I think I'll wait to see exactly what he brings to the table. If his ideals amount to the "summer holiday gas tax" then I fear it will be nothing more than 4 years of putting band aids on problems and we won't get anyplace fast. The band aid fixes are running out of steam....
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  7. #227  
    Could Clinton's situation be any worse?

    Tale of two cities:

    Clinton's primary campaign begins April in debt

    Clinton reported raising $20 million in March and had $9 million for the primary available at the beginning of April. But she also reported debts of $10.3 million, putting her in the red.

    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...april-in-debt/

    Obama reports $42 million to challenge Clinton in April

    Overall, Obama had $51 million in the bank at the end of March, with nearly $9 million of that available only for the general election.

    http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/04/....ap/index.html
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  8.    #228  
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    4/15/2008

    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post

    ...Last week I said that she'd likely withdraw after Pa. That her margin of victory over Obama there would be significantly less than ten percent. That he had a better than 90 % chance of being the Democratic Party nominee.

    Obama had been inexorably moving up on her in the polls. He has been outspending her by (depending on the source) as much as 5 to 1 on commercials etc.

    But his bitter San Fran chit chat has now halted that momentum, and probably reversed it.

    I now think she could well win by more than 10%. Should that happen, its very unlikely she'll withdraw.

    Indiana which is next, is economically, demographically, and culturally very similar to where she's done well previously.

    Are her attacks on his comments over done?? Is she over playing things??

    Perhaps.

    Desperate to wrench out a strong win with only a week to go, she is no doubt worried that the media will forget this story if she doesn't stoke it.

    But unfortunately, the more she talks about it the more it begins to diminish her. I'm sure she understands this, but running out of money and time, Hillary feels that she has no other option if she is to prevail.

    Obama has been been damaged far more than anyone here is willing to acknowlege. Its the kind of damage that is both deeper and longer lasting than it now seems.

    I think his chances of being the nominee are now 65-70%. Chances of defeating McCain: maybe 50%

    Wednesday's debate will be crucial -- it will possibly offer him a chance to repair at least some of that damage.
    maybe not by more than 10 % -- but close enough ...
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  9. #229  
    Like I mentioned in the Primaries thread....Hillary is going to take this all the way to the convention and put it to the Super Delegate vote.
  10.    #230  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    Like I mentioned in the Primaries thread....Hillary is going to take this all the way to the convention and put it to the Super Delegate vote.
    they all three have such big exploitable negatives -- but of the three, hers are potentially the most managable.

    I remain unwavering in my belief that she'd be the most qualified, best prepared, and most skillful in that very very important job.

    A job not intended as either an internship for a neophyte -- or as a retirement berth for an old man who wants to recreate the policies that have brought us the greatest catastrophes in american history.

    Policies that included a domestic economy in ruins, jobs lost to asia, middle class home owners destitute and foreclosed on, abandoning a region to Katrina, the worst environmental polices, the worst energy policies, the worst foriegn policies, the worst national security policies, policies that allowed the dollar to crumble, the worst tax policies, the worst policies in regard to the constitution and civil liberties, the worst policies in terms of science, and education...
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  11. #231  
    Barye, I gotta hand it to you. You consistently take every opportunity (especially when there is none) to spin any comment (even when it is not remotely related to Rep) into to soap box Rep Bashing montages.


    psssst...BTW....I think the poll in your signature is so old that the link is no longer valid. It appears that Rueters doesn't have the article anymore.
  12. #232  
    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    they all three have such big exploitable negatives -- but of the three, hers are potentially the most managable.

    I remain unwavering in my belief that she'd be the most qualified, best prepared, and most skillful in that very very important job.

    A job not intended as either an internship for a neophyte -- or as a retirement berth for an old man who wants to recreate the policies that have brought us the greatest catastrophes in american history.

    Policies that included a domestic economy in ruins, jobs lost to asia, middle class home owners destitute and foreclosed on, abandoning a region to Katrina, the worst environmental polices, the worst energy policies, the worst foriegn policies, the worst national security policies, policies that allowed the dollar to crumble, the worst tax policies, the worst policies in regard to the constitution and civil liberties, the worst policies in terms of science, and education...
    Bayre-too many people around this forum pretend they are not biased but what they choose to address or ignore makes their true political agenda obvious. Even if I do not agree with everything that you might say, I respect that you are honest with us about your own biases. We all have them and I wish more people were as open as you are about this.
  13.    #233  
    Quote Originally Posted by electronique View Post
    BARYE -- too many people around this forum pretend they are not biased but what they choose to address or ignore makes their true political agenda obvious. Even if I do not agree with everything that you might say, I respect that you are honest with us about your own biases. We all have them and I wish more people were as open as you are about this.

    thanks electronique !!
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  14. #234  
    Quote Originally Posted by electronique View Post
    Bayre-too many people around this forum pretend they are not biased but what they choose to address or ignore makes their true political agenda obvious. Even if I do not agree with everything that you might say, I respect that you are honest with us about your own biases. We all have them and I wish more people were as open as you are about this.
    The problem with inserting one's bias is that it often leads to mindless cheerleading and a dishonest discussion of issues. (That's not directed at BARYE.)
  15. #235  
    Quote Originally Posted by samkim View Post
    The problem with inserting one's bias is that it often leads to mindless cheerleading and a dishonest discussion of issues. (That's not directed at BARYE.)
    Not to mention that some of us might be sitting on the fence and waiting for a dem to win the nomination.

    In other words, we might be independents who can vote either way in any given election cycle.

    It is fashionable to attack those who don't agree with your ideology... everyone has to have a hidden agenda (I can only think of one person on this board that does... lol).
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  16. #236  
    Quote Originally Posted by samkim View Post
    The problem with inserting one's bias is that it often leads to mindless cheerleading and a dishonest discussion of issues. (That's not directed at BARYE.)
    I believe mindlessness impairs self-awareness. So while you think mindlessness and proclaiming bias go hand in hand, I think the two are inversely related.
  17. #237  
    Quote Originally Posted by electronique View Post
    I believe mindlessness impairs self-awareness. So while you think mindlessness and proclaiming bias go hand in hand, I think the two are inversely related.
    I think we agree that people are naturally biased. But while you believe that anyone who tries to avoid bias is mindlessly lacking in self-awareness, I believe one has to be very self-aware in order to avoid inserting bias.
  18. #238  
    Quote Originally Posted by samkim View Post
    I think we agree that people are naturally biased.
    agreed
    Quote Originally Posted by samkim View Post
    But while you believe that anyone who tries to avoid bias is mindlessly lacking in self-awareness,
    disagree, I think there are many who know they are biased, but feign objectivity as a tactic to achieve their political agenda. There is a lot of that going on all around us.

    Quote Originally Posted by samkim View Post
    I believe one has to be very self-aware in order to avoid inserting bias.
    I agree it is good to try to avoid bias, and I respect those that do, as much as I respect those who admit their bias. Each is an honest approach. But knowing you are naturally biased, you also must know you can never completely avoid inserting bias, to think otherwise is in essence is denying your own human nature.
  19. #239  
    Quote Originally Posted by electronique View Post
    disagree, I think there are many who know they are biased, but feign objectivity as a tactic to achieve their political agenda. There is a lot of that going on all around us.
    It's hard to know whether you're just projecting your own cynicism unless you cite specific examples.


    I agree it is good to try to avoid bias, and I respect those that do, as much as I respect those who admit their bias. Each is an honest approach. But knowing you are naturally biased, you also must know you can never completely avoid inserting bias, to think otherwise is in essence is denying your own human nature.
    Do you think there's bias in every single statement of fact?
  20. #240  
    Quote Originally Posted by samkim View Post
    Do you think there's bias in every single statement of fact?
    No, a fact by definition is indisputable (although what is disputable is by what criteria is something judged to be a fact). But even when facts are agreed upon, the choosing what facts to discuss and what facts to ignore, certainly involves an element of bias, and we should of course realize that.
    Last edited by electronique; 04/23/2008 at 03:56 PM.

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