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  • Barack Obama

    37 69.81%
  • Hillary Clinton

    13 24.53%
  • Another Democrat Candidate (and share below who)

    3 5.66%
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  1.    #141  
    Tomorrow is the first day in several weeks were one or the other is going to be able start to claim a victory again. I think if Hillary or Obama is going to be able to call it a victory with any meaning they will have to win by around ten points or more.
  2. #142  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    Tomorrow is the first day in several weeks were one or the other is going to be able start to claim a victory again. I think if Hillary or Obama is going to be able to call it a victory with any meaning they will have to win by around ten points or more.
    It does not matter... it is over for hillary.

    She is starting out may in debt.

    Obama has over or around 42 million.

    After PA, any gains she make will be erased with obama's win in NC. Other states, who knows... but she would have to blow him out all over to even get a lead.... it won't happen. Plus obama has already said she will win PA.. no biggie.

    Obama has the money, the popular vote and the delegates... what else does he need?

    She is fooling people into thinking she has a chance.

    Unless obama sniffs a line of coke on the stage before now and june, it is safe to say that hillary is done.


    And if she does not stop drinking and making threats of nuking iran, she might be done sooner than she thinks.
    Last edited by theog; 04/22/2008 at 12:12 AM.
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  3.    #143  
    I don't disagree with you that Obama is more than likely the winning bet for the top of the Dem ticket. I do not think the remaining Primaries will force Hillary to give up. I also do not have any delusions that all the remaining Primaries will give Hillary the ticket.

    If Hillary does not win big there will certainly be a lot of pressure on her to quit. But I have a hard time seeing Hillary walking away before the deciding factor is completely exhausted.......the Super Delegates. This is what will probably end up deciding it all. This is going to be the main event with the rest of the Primaries simply a line up of preshow entertainment.

    I read part of an article today sitting in a waiting room while waiting on a new set of tires being put on my car that was talking about the fact that several Super Delegates are going to vote the way they want to with little regard to the Primaries.

    IMHO, I see the rest of the Primaries not as a deciding factor for Hillary to stay or leave, but whether they make her road to the DNC Convention smooth or a gravel road filled with an over abundance of pot holes.
  4. #144  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    IMHO, I see the rest of the Primaries not as a deciding factor for Hillary to stay or leave, but whether they make her road to the DNC Convention smooth or a gravel road filled with an over abundance of pot holes.
    And again, Obama has the money, the popular vote and the delegates.

    Dude, have you seen the remarks from Howard Dean lately? He has told the super delegates to start getting behind a candidate NOW. In other words, in June, howard dean wants this thing wrapped up. The DNC convention will be a formality, as it should.

    I agree with dean, no use in wasting two months of campaigning for a "showdown."

    Hillary could win pa by 20 and obama still wins the nomination... the hype about pa being that serious is the clinton camp using the media to drive life into her dead campaign.
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  5.    #145  
    Nope. I haven't seen Dean's comments. Do you have a link? For the Dem's sake they should have a nominee for their ticket before the convention....but it sure would be fun watching if they don't.

    As in my last post, I agreed with you that Obama will more than likely take the ticket. Obama does have the advantage of the money (which could be more of a deciding factor than anything else), state delegates (but not enough to claim the ticket), and the popular votes (which officially doesn't mean anything). But there has not been a Super Delegate vote yet, which no matter what the outcome of the Primaries will be the sole deciding factor if both walk into the convention as candidates.

    But love them or hate them I have never seen a Clinton back down if they have even an underdog's chance of winning. If Hillary thinks she can pull even close to enough Super Delegate votes needed by behind closed doors politics, I have a hard time seeing her throwing in the towel.

    On the other hand, if she becomes confident that she will not have any chance of coming close to the Super Delegate count then I can see her pulling out to save face instead of losing the vote by her peers.

    Again, I think we agree it comes down to Super Delegates and not primaries.
    Last edited by HobbesIsReal; 04/22/2008 at 12:34 PM.
  6. #146  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    Nope. I haven't seen Dean's comments. Do you have a link? For the Dem's sake they should have a nominee for their ticket before the convention....but it should would be fun watching if they don't.

    As in my last post, I agreed with you that Obama will more than likely take the ticket. Obama does have the advantage of the money (which could be more of a deciding factor than anything else), state delegates (but not enough to claim the ticket), and the popular votes (which officially doesn't mean anything). But there has not been a Super Delegate vote yet, which no matter what the outcome of the Primaries will be the sole deciding factor if both walk into the convention as candidates.

    But love them or hate them I have never seen a Clinton back down if they have even an underdog's chance of winning. If Hillary thinks she can pull even close to enough Super Delegate votes needed by behind closed doors politics, I have a hard time seeing her throwing in the towel.

    On the other hand, if she becomes confident that she will not have any chance of coming close to the Super Delegate count then I can see her pulling out to save face instead of losing the vote by her peers.

    Again, I think we agree it comes down to Super Delegates and not primaries.

    I don't think the popular vote means that much to hillary because she does not have it... if she had, boy she would scream from the rafters that should be the deciding factor in the race.

    In the total sum of the discussion, the popular vote is on equal footing with the other two... I don't see how you can discount it when speaking of what the super delegates will evaluate before making a decision. I've known a couple of our officials, they are just like you and I... they will think along the same lines: money, delegate count, and popular vote. Of course, electability will come into play, but who would have thought obama would be here now. We can switch to talking "officially" but "officially" none of this means anything until the convention.

    Anyway, dean said (this was not my original, but it was the only one I could find):

    (CNN)— An increasingly firm Howard Dean told CNN again Thursday that he needs superdelegates to say who they’re for – and “I need them to say who they’re for starting now.”

    “We cannot give up two or three months of active campaigning and healing time,” the Democratic National Committee Chairman told CNN’s Wolf Blitzer. “We’ve got to know who our nominee is.”
    http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...-decision-now/

    PA means little for hillary if obama carries on to win the majority of the states. Hillary talks up PA, but NC and Indiana have more delegates... obama should win both (NC for sure). He won VA, so maybe W. VA as well... He won WA and ID... so oregon as well... kentucky... harder to guess, but maybe if he brings down Indiana. I'd guess Hill will get PRPRPR. $lol$

    Pennsylvania 188 delegates at stake. That’s followed on May 6 with Indiana (84) and North Carolina (134); May 13 with West Virginia (39); May 20 with Kentucky (60) and Oregon (65); and June 1 with Puerto Rico (63). All those states (and territory) award more delegates than New Hampshire and all but West Virginia award more than Iowa.
    http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/arc...st_decide_now/
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  7.    #147  
    Thanks for the sharing the link. This is 180 from what he said a couple months ago when it was purposed that the Super Delegates hold a vote BEFORE the convention. I am paraphrasing, but basically Dean at that time said nope, that is what the Convention is for. That a Super Delegate should never be pressured to voting until the actual vote.

    So now, we can start counting public Super Delegates that have publicly committed themselves to vote for one side or the other. Is there an (un)official tally of publicly committed Super Delegates? It would also be interesting to see how many have changed their public commitment over the course of this campaign.
  8. #148  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    Thanks for the sharing the link. This is 180 from what he said a couple months ago when it was purposed that the Super Delegates hold a vote BEFORE the convention. I am paraphrasing, but basically Dean at that time said nope, that is what the Convention is for. That a Super Delegate should never be pressured to voting until the actual vote.

    So now, we can start counting public Super Delegates that have publicly committed themselves to vote for one side or the other. Is there an (un)official tally of publicly committed Super Delegates? It would also be interesting to see how many have changed their public commitment over the course of this campaign.
    Dean knows the Dems can't go two months with hill and obama zealots simmering. It is time to start building the party behind one candidate.....

    List of SD:

    http://www.politico.com/superdelegates/
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  9. #149  
    Oh, wow... check this out....

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0408/9737.html

    McCain exits campaign money race

    John McCain is abandoning any hope of catching the Democrats in fundraising.

    Based on new financial disclosure reports released Sunday, and interviews with his finance team, the Republican Party’s presumptive nominee will instead accept taxpayer money to finance his general election and share other costs with the Republican National Committee.
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  10.    #150  
    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Dean knows the Dems can't go two months with hill and obama zealots simmering. It is time to start building the party behind one candidate.....

    List of SD:

    http://www.politico.com/superdelegates/
    According to this Hillary has the advantage currently with the Super Delegates. I can see this as being the argument that she uses to stay in the race as long it holds true.
    Last edited by HobbesIsReal; 04/22/2008 at 03:03 PM.
  11.    #151  
    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Dean knows the Dems can't go two months with hill and obama zealots simmering. It is time to start building the party behind one candidate.....

    List of SD:

    http://www.politico.com/superdelegates/
    This is not surprising. Bush did it during his Presidential campaign. Dems have historically out raised Reps. Big money demographics are historically very strong Dem supports, especially in Hollywood.
  12. #152  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    According to this Hillary has the advantage currently with the Super Delegates. I can see this as being the argument that she uses to stay in the race as long it holds true.
    She had a wider margin earlier this year.... I'm surprised obama got the Sup Del down to within 50... I had not noticed that before.

    But spin is spin... now obama is saying how he closed the gap. lol... I thought he would do better than losing by 10%...

    The dems are so divided...

    I say hillary only wins one more state from now until Jun. Not that it matters any... she is on borrowed time.... lol



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    I want Hillary to win. *as you can see from my avatar* lol

    Im 16 and get my license soon. I can not afford $4 to go 20 miles, and I can't consciously pay it at the pump. Im looking at something like the Yaris S used that gets 35-40mpg... which is a little better.

    I independently work as a smartphone reviewer, audio and video engineer, web designer, play the stock market, small business technology consultant ,and IT manager... and I have been hit personally LARGE by our drastically falling economy. I know some of you may say I am only 16 and am not in need of money like others, but I am still a functioning part of our society and economy. I pay income and capital gains tax, try to write most of it off though. :P as we all are these days as business expenses. If I am hit hard, I can only imagine everyone else in this nation.

    I support Hillary. Experience, drastic plans, and plus... *****es get **** done! but seriously, im very political and am the head of my high school's political activist club for the JSA organization, so im not some ignorant teenager, even though some republicans like to think so. I am pleased by Penn's outcome. So many more voters in that state, what was it 400,000 new registered democrats? yessss!!!
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  14. #154  
    Quote Originally Posted by fishera View Post
    I want Hillary to win. *as you can see from my avatar* lol

    Im 16 and get my license soon. I can not afford $4 to go 20 miles, and I can't consciously pay it at the pump. Im looking at something like the Yaris S used that gets 35-40mpg... which is a little better.

    I independently work as a smartphone reviewer, audio and video engineer, web designer, play the stock market, small business technology consultant ,and IT manager... and I have been hit personally LARGE by our drastically falling economy. I know some of you may say I am only 16 and am not in need of money like others, but I am still a functioning part of our society and economy. I pay income and capital gains tax, try to write most of it off though. :P as we all are these days as business expenses. If I am hit hard, I can only imagine everyone else in this nation.

    I support Hillary. Experience, drastic plans, and plus... *****es get **** done! but seriously, im very political and am the head of my high school's political activist club for the JSA organization, so im not some ignorant teenager, even though some republicans like to think so. I am pleased by Penn's outcome. So many more voters in that state, what was it 400,000 new registered democrats? yessss!!!

    fishera -- welcome.

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  15.    #155  
    With polls like this, I think the Dem race for their ticket and then how they react to it might prove to be more interesting than the general election itself....

    One thing is increasingly clear - Democrats who’ve taken sides are becoming entrenched. According to CBS News exit polls, 62 percent of Clinton voters in Pennsylvania said they would not be satisfied with Obama as their nominee while 52 percent of his voters said they would be dissatisfied with her. More troublesome, 25 percent of her voters and 16 percent of his said they would vote for John McCain in the fall if their candidate is not in the race.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4036308.shtml
  16. #156  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    With polls like this, I think the Dem race for their ticket and then how they react to it might prove to be more interesting than the general election itself....
    That is exactly why I said this DOES NOT go to the convention... the democratic party can't AFFORD for this to go to the convention.

    Given where hillary is at in this race, I'd consider her worse than Ralph Nader. if she attempts to wait until the convention to get thrown out of the race. Obviously, there won't be enough time to heal the party at that point.

    I'd like to see some healing so we see a good fight leading up to Nov... would be no fun watching the dems tear themselves apart and have McCain walk in.
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  17. #157  
    Quote Originally Posted by fishera View Post
    I independently work as a smartphone reviewer, audio and video engineer, web designer, play the stock market, small business technology consultant ,and IT manager... and I have been hit personally LARGE by our drastically falling economy.
    Increase your prices... people will pay if your services are good enough.



    I know some of you may say I am only 16 and am not in need of money like others,
    If anyone tells you that, they are an *****... you are getting ahead of the game. More than likely, (keep this to yourself) if an adult tells you that they are jealous. Most adults I know *want* to start a business... *want* to make more money, *want* to do a lot of things.

    What do they do? Sit on their couch and play xbox or watch tv. And complain how someone else should do this or do that... or complain of this or that happening without taking responsibility for their own life.

    but seriously, im very political and am the head of my high school's political activist club for the JSA organization, so im not some ignorant teenager, even though some republicans like to think so. I am pleased by Penn's outcome. So many more voters in that state, what was it 400,000 new registered democrats? yessss!!!
    Considering the road you are own, you will cross over and be a republican sooner or later. Either way, it is refreshing to see your post...

    *looking at the phones you owned, you started with smartphones at around 8? No, not a knock, or "bait question." Just wondering....
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  18. #158  
    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    Dude, have you seen the remarks from Howard Dean lately? He has told the super delegates to start getting behind a candidate NOW. In other words, in June, howard dean wants this thing wrapped up. The DNC convention will be a formality, as it should.
    Dean might not have the power to wrap things up.

    Delegates to Dean: Make Us
    To understand this nomination battle, we need to adjust our image of the national parties. The best way to think of them is as little more than guidance counselors with bank accounts. The candidates are in charge. Contrary to what Blitzer says in the aforementioned interview, Dean is not the "leader of the Democratic Party." That's a mischaracterization of the role of the DNC and its chairman.
    ...

    This is why the "Democratic Party" cannot stop this nomination race. There is no party entity with the power to say, "OK, you two. Enough is enough." In keeping with the "candidate control" model of electoral politics, the only two who can stop it are Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. That's the modern party system for you. 20th century reformers thought the parties were meddling institutions that corrupted the political process. So, they stripped them of their power. Accordingly, the Democrats are at the mercy of their candidates.
  19. #159  
    Quote Originally Posted by samkim View Post
    Dean might not have the power to wrap things up.

    Delegates to Dean: Make Us
    Waiting until the convention would serve no purpose... except to hand mccain walking papers into the white house.

    But dean only need to convince enough of them to provide obama with enough votes to win. At that point, hill will concede and walk away... unless she really wants to jack the party and take it to convention with the hopes of convincing enough sup del to change their mind.

    As an outsider it is very interesting to watch this unfold... it is both historic and potentially disastrous at the same time. I still don't know why hillary is still around... it is mind boggling.
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  20.    #160  
    Quote Originally Posted by theog View Post
    That is exactly why I said this DOES NOT go to the convention... the democratic party can't AFFORD for this to go to the convention.

    Given where hillary is at in this race, I'd consider her worse than Ralph Nader. if she attempts to wait until the convention to get thrown out of the race. Obviously, there won't be enough time to heal the party at that point.
    Everything you are saying is solid advice for the well being of the Dem party, but I do not feel it is reality. I think this is a more accurate statement:

    That is exactly why I said this SHOULD NOT go to the convention.

    But try to tell that Hillary. She (as I am sure nearly every other candidate) is in it thinking of her advantage more than their Party's well being.
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