View Poll Results: Democract Primary

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  • Barack Obama

    37 69.81%
  • Hillary Clinton

    13 24.53%
  • Another Democrat Candidate (and share below who)

    3 5.66%
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  1. #241  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Comments like those in the following link sure do not help:

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080530/.../obama_pfleger
    Agreed that its not going to help... but that's exactly how Clinton treated her campaign, that she was entitled to the nomination, so it shouldn't be as big a deal as it is.

    (I mean she was basically running an incumbent style campaign the whole time... until Obama started winning, and she switched to the Rove-ian tactics.)
  2.    #242  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    So again, if Clinton wants to survive into the second week of June, she will have to figure out the rules of math that she wants to use to show that she can still win with Super Delegates and continue to cast doubt on the state delegate count.
    This article is basically saying the same thing as I noted the other day....

    Clinton expects superdelegates to decide next week
    May 30, 6:35 PM (ET)

    Clinton was asked about the effort by top Democratic leaders to push for a quick end to the fight for the presidential nomination after primaries in South Dakota and Montana next week..........Clinton said: "I think that after the final primaries, people are going to start making up their minds. I think that is the natural progression that one would expect."

    Clinton said superdelegates - the party and elected officials who can vote for whomever they choose regardless of what happens in the primaries and caucuses - will have to decide who is the stronger candidate in the fall to run against Republican John McCain.

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    Last week, Clinton indicated that she might take the fight to the convention in August if Michigan and Florida want to challenge an unfavorable ruling on their delegates. The two states were stripped of their delegates for holding early primaries; a special Democratic National Committee panel meets Saturday to decide their fate.

    In an interview with The Associated Press, Clinton was asked whether she would support the states if they appeal an unfavorable rules committee decision to the convention floor, the former first lady replied:

    "Yes I will. I will, because I feel very strongly about this."

    FULL ARTICLE
  3. #243  
    From what I've read of many observers, a number of super delegates will toss their hats in Obama's ring prior to Tuesdays election, not enough to clinch it, allowing Tuesday's elected delegates to put him over the top, then full momentum from remaining undeclared super delegates.
  4.    #244  
    A move like that would not surprise me....get just enough of a pump to let the people decide with the last vote. Obama may or may not be the most qualified Presidential candidate, but there is little doubt he has Rove quality strategist that really thought WAY ahead in his campaign. You cannot help but wonder how long ahead of time they had Edwards timed to come out the day after a big defeat...

    I have heard many say that Obama has his Super Delegates pledges spaced and timed with calculated precision. As Bush has proved, it is often the men behind the Man that gets them elected.
  5.    #245  
    It looks like Clinton won by another landslide against Obama with popular vote, though it won't do much to help Clinton to catch up with the state delegates......

    Clinton Wins Puerto Rico; Appeals to Superdelegates to Heed Popular Vote

    SAN JUAN, Puerto Rico — Hillary Clinton’s convincing win in Puerto Rico’s Democratic presidential primary on Sunday is adding fuel to her claims that the popular vote total should give superdelegates the guidance they need to select her as the nominee.

    With 91 percent of votes in, Clinton was taking 68 percent of the vote to 32 percent for Barack Obama, and winning by more than 125,000 votes.

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    “I am grateful for this show of overwhelming support,” Clinton told supporters at a rally in the capital city. “You are joining millions of people across the United States — more than 17.6 million plus the votes we received today. … When the voting concludes on Tuesday, neither Senator Obama nor I will have the number of delegates to be the nominee. I will lead the popular vote. He will maintain a slight lead in the delegate count.

    “The decision will fall on the shoulders of those leaders in our party empowered by the rules to vote at the Democratic convention. I do not envy the decision you must make, but the decision has to be made, and in the final assessment I ask you to answer these questions. Which candidate best represents the will of the people who voted in this historic primary? Which candidate is best able to lead us to victory in November? And which candidate is best able to lead our nation as our president in the face of unprecedented challenges at home and abroad?” Clinton asked in an appeal aimed at superdelegates rather than Puerto Rican supporters who cheered her on but will get no vote in the general election.

    FULL ARTICLE
    Now...Montana and South Dakota have a combined 31 delegates at stake on Tuesday, and mathematically, Clinton faces a real challenge to getting the nomination — needing about 96 percent of the remaining uncommitted superdelegates.

    With Pelosi's campaign for all Super Delegates to throw their hat into the ring after Tuesday's primaries are over to who ever has the most state delegates, Clinton has a lot of back door politicing and a lot of fuzzy math to along with her ever selfless dedication to help Mich have all of their delegates seated....it will be interesting to see if Clinton makes it to Denver.
  6. #246  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    Clinton has a lot of back door politicing and a lot of fuzzy math to along with her ever selfless dedication to help Mich have all of their delegates seated....it will be interesting to see if Clinton makes it to Denver.
    No, it is over.... obama only needs a couple super del to win now....

    What will be interesting is after he reaches the "magical number" if she officially bails out or simply goes into the dark alley until convention. lol...

    Obama is good, but as I said in TX and OH, he should be concentrating on beating her instead of walking around like he has it won...

    Technically he has won, but at this point, he should be winning every contest.
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  7.    #247  
    Think again........here is what Clinton's Spoke Person said today:

    Clinton Spokesman: She Won't Drop Out Tomorrow
    June 2, 2008, 3:59 PM

    SIOUX FALLS, S.D. -- A Hillary Clinton spokesman told reporters on a flight over South Dakota that Clinton has no plans of dropping out of the race at her election night celebration in New York City tomorrow night.

    “She is in this race until we have a nominee, she still believes there is a path for her to become that nominee,” said spokesman Mo Elleithee. “I think it's pretty clear that she is not conceding.” When asked "Will you deny that she is dropping out tomorrow night?" Elleithee responded, "Yes."

    Elleithee went as far as to say that the campaign is currently working on the upcoming schedule saying they are “putting it together now, we’re looking to where we may go.”

    Meantime, CBS News Chief Political Consultant Marc Ambinder reports that a prominent Democrat who spoke to Clinton today was told by her directly that she will not drop out tomorrow.

    The notion that the Clinton campaign is continuing to look forward to the general election is hard to swallow given the fact the Barack Obama is 46 delegates away from clinching the party’s nomination. When asked if Clinton would accept the 2,118 delegate number as the threshold to capture the nomination, Elleithee vaguely left open the possibility that the campaign may challenge the Michigan ruling at the convention.

    SOURCE

    Of course as I stated earlier, what a Clinton says today doesn't have any bearing on what they will do or say tomorrow.
  8. #248  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    Think again........here is what Clinton's Spoke Person said today:

    Clinton Spokesman: She Won't Drop Out Tomorrow
    June 2, 2008, 3:59 PM




    Of course as I stated earlier, what a Clinton says today doesn't have any bearing on what they will do or say tomorrow.
    http://www.politico.com/superdelegates/

    They are both picking up superdeligates like crazy... well, mostly obama. It is still over for her... officially I would not look for her to drop out until obama reaches the magical number... maybe by this weekend of so.

    Must be hard for her to be so close, but yet so far....
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  9.    #249  
    The question I found very interesting that Clinton's spokesman would not answer is what delegate number will she honor. In other words will she include 100% of Mich delegates before she will concede the nomination?
  10. #250  
    I'm seeing a Wednesday event with both of them to start the unity, from what I've read of many experts.
  11.    #251  
    I hope you are right! That would be great for the Dem party....only Clinton can make it happen or not happen. We will find out in the next 2-5 days for sure.
  12.    #252  
    It is now unofficial........Clinton is out of the race!!!!!


    AP: Clinton To End Campaign
    The former first lady told House Democrats during a private conference call Wednesday that she will express support for Obama's candidacy and congratulate him for gathering the necessary delegates to be the party's nominee.

    Also in the speech, Clinton will urge once-warring Democrats to focus on the general election and defeating Republican presidential candidate John McCain.

    The adviser said Clinton and her lieutenants had discussed various ways a presidential candidacy can end, including suspending the campaign to retain control of her convention delegates and sustain her visibility in an effort to promote her signature issue of health care.

    The other options include freeing her delegates to back Obama and ending her candidacy unconditionally. The official stressed that neither Clinton nor her inner circle had decided specifically what course to take other than to recognize that the active state of her bid to become the first U.S. female president had ended.

    FULL ARTICLE
    Now onto the countdown to November!!!
    Last edited by HobbesIsReal; 06/05/2008 at 05:53 AM.
  13. #253  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    It is now official........Clinton is out of the race!!!!!


    AP: Clinton To End Campaign


    Now onto the countdown to November!!!
    Yea, I had to make a few calls.
  14.    #254  
    So....when you pulled your strings of power.....did you find out if Hillary was going to release all of the delegates to Obama, or simply hunker down into her trench to hold out until Denver and keep the delegates for herself?

    If she simply suspends her campaign will she officially concede? Either way, if does only suspend her campaign, she is still simply hanging tight for that miracle last play where Obama fumbles and she runs into the endzone.
  15. #255  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    So....when you pulled your strings of power.....did you find out if Hillary was going to release all of the delegates to Obama, or simply hunker down into her trench to hold out until Denver and keep the delegates for herself?

    If she simply suspends her campaign will she officially concede? Either way, if does only suspend her campaign, she is still simply hanging tight for that miracle last play where Obama fumbles and she runs into the endzone.

    It does not matter.... he has reached the goal and that is it.... there is no "fumble" or other miracle for her. As stated, she will keep her delegates in order to get obama to fight for what is important to her... things she wants to see accomplished... her delegates and power and ability to campaign will surely be something obama looks at. The delegates do not factor, it is a dead story. Obviously, there will be some deals between them... obama needs her more than she needs him. That is a fact....

    All the delegate "drama" is newspapers trying to sell copies by keeping a dead story going until mccain and obama get into full swing.
    Last edited by theog; 06/05/2008 at 07:08 AM.
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  16. #256  
    And to keep an old thread alive. Has anyone noticed that Obama is back to playing the race card again by targeting blacks? Targeting one group, how can that unite us?
  17. #257  
    Don't know about that, but I did notice he has a fairly rational opinion about the recent child rape/death penalty issue that hit the SCOTUS.
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
  18. #258  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    And to keep an old thread alive. Has anyone noticed that Obama is back to playing the race card again by targeting blacks? Targeting one group, how can that unite us?
    No, only you noticed...
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  19. #259  
    Theog, I am not the only one to notice and your statement surprises me. Have you not been listening to the press, reading coverage about his speeches, seen the trillions of clips, reading commentary, and so forth? His statements in a speech about he himself being black were not echoed by any republican and definitely not by McCain. The race card card is heavily used by him. His decision to target middle road Afro-Americans over whites was not echoed by any republican and definitely not by McCain.
  20. #260  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Theog, I am not the only one to notice and your statement surprises me. Have you not been listening to the press, reading coverage about his speeches, seen the trillions of clips, reading commentary, and so forth? His statements in a speech about he himself being black were not echoed by any republican and definitely not by McCain. The race card card is heavily used by him. His decision to target middle road Afro-Americans over whites was not echoed by any republican and definitely not by McCain.
    Your comments are outrageous.

    Only person playing the race card day in and day out is you.
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