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  • Barack Obama

    37 69.81%
  • Hillary Clinton

    13 24.53%
  • Another Democrat Candidate (and share below who)

    3 5.66%
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  1. #201  
    I am sure if there is a recount, they just gotta count those that have no holes. If Florida & Michigan are seated...

    Ben
  2.    #202  
    Hillary won last night and has vowed to continue until a candidate gets 2,025 state delegates....which will not happen. She is using the huge margin of her win to continue full force. Hillary had 67% to Obama 27%.
  3. #203  
    Hillary's win, as big as it is, clearly shows that Obama is not the all-for-one guy he touts himself to be. I also noticed that "race" was once again injected in the national scene by one of this supporters.
  4. #204  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Hillary's win, as big as it is, clearly shows that Obama is not the all-for-one guy he touts himself to be. I also noticed that "race" was once again injected in the national scene by one of this supporters.
    "Race" is being injected all over the place.... with your typo it is hard to understand exactly what you meant, but it seems you meant "his" instead of "this."

    And of course you would go there... singling out obama again... Nice.. ben, nice....

    Far as him not being the all-for-one guy... how about when obama blew hillary out by larger margines? Even in states with low afr amer voters....

    Although, there is an argument that this late in the game he should be blowing her out all over the place.

    Is race involved at all? To some degree, I'd say yes. Of course that is the most obvious reason that people will cite (those with simple minds). Not the fact that the clintons have been around forever and have a loyal following. No, that can't be the reason. Huh....
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  5. #205  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    Hillary won last night and has vowed to continue until a candidate gets 2,025 state delegates....which will not happen. She is using the huge margin of her win to continue full force. Hillary had 67% to Obama 27%.
    Funny enough, I was reading that even edwards received 7% of the vote in W Virg.... lol he dropped out YEARS ago.

    How much time did obama spend there? Seems he skipped the entire state, going to fl and out to oregon. I think he should have at least put up a fight, but I guess he thought it was not worth it to close the gap. Oh, well....

    The super delegates should put her out her misery soon so obama can focus on mccain. I'm ready to get the 527s rolling... waiting for the fireworks!

    On the other side, I think the gop has a growing concern that they will have to put up a fight in a "red" state this year if obama is the nominee.

    Even today:

    GOP scrambles after Miss. loss

    Republican House leaders are scrambling to contain the damage after a third straight special election loss, with NRCC Chairman Tom Cole putting the blame on the party’s public image and former NRCC Chairman Tom Davis warning of a bloodbath in November if members can’t divorce themselves from the “brand” put on their party by President Bush.

    Boehner said Wednesday morning that he had “no preconceived ideas” about how the party should respond to Tuesday’s special election in Mississippi’s 1st Congressional District, a conservative stronghold where Democrat Travis Childers cruised to an eight-point win over Republican Greg Davis despite more than $1 million in NRCC spending and a visit from Vice President **** Cheney.
    And of course the gop shows their "true" support of mccain:

    Davis said that Sen. John McCain, by contrast, won’t “drag anyone down” but can’t “carry anyone over the finish line,” either.
    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0508/10349.html
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  6. #206  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    Hillary won last night and has vowed to continue until a candidate gets 2,025 state delegates....which will not happen. She is using the huge margin of her win to continue full force. Hillary had 67% to Obama 27%.
    Obama is handed a loss one day and picks up a major endorsement the next day....

    Clinton has GOT to believe that was planned.

    It sure does seem like it... that is why obama ignored W VA... he already knew it would not matter much on Wed.

    Matter of fact, I can't see the W VA loss on the front page of online newspapper... only the endorsement and what it means... lol....
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  7.    #207  
    There is little doubt Hillary is in until all state primaries are over...unless she is totally stomped today in all the primaries.

    I heard yesterday that Obama had a double digit lead over Hillary in Oregon, but as of Monday that it was reduced down around 5 points lead. Imagine what Hillary might do with a win in Oregon and KY today.

    But chances are today will give Obama just enough push with state delegates along with his growing pledged super delegates to really pressure Clinton out of the race.....as if she would pay attention to it.
  8. #208  
    He is something like 100 short. What bothers me though is that he is more than aware of the areas he does not have support in and he just by-passes them with little interest shown. At what point does he work on these people? He wants to bring people together and that is clearly not the case.
  9. #209  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    There is little doubt Hillary is in until all state primaries are over...unless she is totally stomped today in all the primaries.

    I heard yesterday that Obama had a double digit lead over Hillary in Oregon, but as of Monday that it was reduced down around 5 points lead. Imagine what Hillary might do with a win in Oregon and KY today.

    But chances are today will give Obama just enough push with state delegates along with his growing pledged super delegates to really pressure Clinton out of the race.....as if she would pay attention to it.
    Now obama has the lead in just about everything you can imagine.... he is the nominee... Period.

    We were all sitting around here the other night playing "what if" and it is striking that if the states had fallen in a different order and FL and MI had not screwed themselves, she more than likely would have been the nominee. I say "more than likely" because if things had changed, obama would have changed his strategy and the end result could still be the same.

    But you know she plays this "what if" game an it has to HURT.

    Chelsey Clinton in 2016!!! That is the hope now!!!
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  10.    #210  
    The problem is that he is NOT the nominee. He has the majority of the delegates, but still not enough to claim victory. Until that time, Hillary is NOT going to quit. In fact I heard on CNN this afternoon that during an AP interview today that she pledged what I have been saying that she will probably do....take it to the convention (or unless she has so much overwhelming odds that even her math cannot justify her staying in)!

    I think she is going to have a VERY hard time fighting back the insurmountable pressure that is going to be piled on once Obama gets 70 more state delegate and pledges Super Delegates that he needs to claim victory without counting FL or MI. But that is the catch.....Hillary is saying she is staying to fight for their right to be counted, even if she has to take it to the convention.

    She is certainly adds a lot of entertainment to watching this race that's for sure.
    Last edited by HobbesIsReal; 05/22/2008 at 12:48 PM.
  11. #211  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    The problem is that he is NOT the nominee. He has the majority of the delegates, but still not enough to claim victory. Until that time, Hillary is NOT going to quit. In fact I heard on CNN this afternoon that during an AP interview today that she pledged what I have been saying that she will probably do....take it to the convention (or unless she has so much overwhelming odds that even her math cannot justify her staying in)!

    I think she is going to have a VERY hard time fighting back the insurmountable pressure that is going to be piled on once Obama gets 70 more state delegate and pledges Super Delegates that he needs to claim victory without counting FL or MI. But that is the catch.....Hillary is saying she is staying to fight for their right to be counted, even if she has to take it to the convention.

    She is certainly adds a lot of entertainment to watching this race that's for sure.

    I've been arguing against you for maybe a week or so... but I'm now ready to admit you might be right. It is unfortunate, but what you say might be true.

    After all the news coming out today, I don't think she is entertaining or funny anymore... I think she is sad. She is now campaigning in FL? It is really sad. And she has her supporters believing she is doing a "wonderful" thing.... fighting for a win. It is ridiculous.

    I can see why she will NEVER be president. Of anything....

    And why at one time over 50% of people said they would never vote for her.
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  12.    #212  
    This election has proven to be pretty interesting for me....especially given the fact that on the Dem side, I don't hold a great deal of respect for the Clintons. I have taken issue with several of Obama's comments and promises of what he would do.

    Then on the Rep.....First of all McCain is not my first choice plus I have issues with some points of his record.

    Since I don't really have any invested interest in any of the main front runners, it has been kind of fun to be able to set back and comment very objectionally without any biased motivation of promoting (or protecting) one candidate over another. If anything I pretty much rank the candidates from my least favorite up rather than from my most favorite down.
  13. #213  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    This election has proven to be pretty interesting for me....especially given the fact that on the Dem side, I don't hold a great deal of respect for the Clintons. I have taken issue with several of Obama's comments and promises of what he would do.

    Then on the Rep.....First of all McCain is not my first choice plus I have issues with some points of his record.

    Since I don't really have any invested interest in any of the main front runners, it has been kind of fun to be able to set back and comment very objectionally without any biased motivation of promoting (or protecting) one candidate over another. If anything I pretty much rank the candidates from my least favorite up rather than from my most favorite down.
    There are two candidates in the running:

    McCain and Obama.

    Those are the choices. Well, there are other choices, if one wants to make a symbolic gesture with his/her one vote...

    I'm hoping that mccain will get on the ball with releasing his ideas. So far, I've not been impressed with his ideas so far. Some things that fell a bit short for me: summer gas plan, health care reform, and his "2013" ads (group of ideas).

    And I think it is hard to deny that obama's economic plan is a bit more detailed than McCain's. Obama has a 48 page book, McCain has a blog post.

    McCain needs to get on the ball (I've said that more than once).
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  14. #214  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    This election has proven to be pretty interesting for me....especially given the fact that on the Dem side, I don't hold a great deal of respect for the Clintons. I have taken issue with several of Obama's comments and promises of what he would do.

    Then on the Rep.....First of all McCain is not my first choice plus I have issues with some points of his record.

    Since I don't really have any invested interest in any of the main front runners, it has been kind of fun to be able to set back and comment very objectionally without any biased motivation of promoting (or protecting) one candidate over another. If anything I pretty much rank the candidates from my least favorite up rather than from my most favorite down.
    I know terms like moderate, far right and far left (such as what you call Barye) as relative terms depending on one's own perspective. But for me, if I moved my frame of thinking to the far right, I suppose I would:
    1) not like any of the candidates
    2) especially dislike the Clintons
    3) savor a prolonged democrat race for the hope that Hillary could turn Obama into a partisan brawler and ruin his appeal.

    But then again, if I were thinking like someone far to the right of me would, I would see number 3 wasn't working and I would be looking for another strategy.
  15.    #215  
    Electronique....you really do believe that there is a massive right wing conspiracy to split the Dem party as you appear to have accused me and several others on this forum directly or indirectly as conspirators for simply taking an interest in following a very unique nominee process (that would be of interest to anyone who has an interest in politics at all).

    As I have stated several times on this forum, I am certainly right of center, but probably more central than most. I have disagreements with those who are self proclaimed far right and far left (and yes Barye is self proclaimed far left...who maybe going thru a political identity crisis at the moment). There are also countless examples of coming into full agreement with those on the far right and the left (like DaThomas, Barye, Cell, bclinger, etc...). I am usually very open with my opinion when I share my opinions or observations so there is no doubt where I lean on that specific issue. I also appreciate and encourage the sharing of opinions that are different than mine and debating them respectfully. But with no political party loyalties at all, I can easily agree with and criticize both Dems and Reps....a concept that in the past is hard for some to come to grips with and cannot except.

    As for your 1,2,3s points.....

    1) I shared that I had issues with each of them and no personal investment in any of them. Not an uncommon standpoint for many at this point in the game. I guess I should have gone on to say that there are valid points that each of them have made as well.

    2) I know at least 4 devote life long Dems right now that dislike Hillary even more than I do. This is not a unique Far Right Wing point of view in any stretch....especially given the current political environment.

    3) I am not savoring anything. As I have stated several times before this is an interesting situation and I am very curious how they will work it out. Again with how many historical factors are involved, the unique situation with Super Delegates taking a lead roll for the second time in the last hundred years, 2 major state's delegates thrown out the window, and watching the way each candidate is handling the situation......who is not interested in what is happening, what are the possible outcomes and challenges/benefits that could result from all of this? It is nothing more than fun couch side commentating.

    There is little doubt my opinions of each candidate will grow and change as we learn more details about their plans, opinions, previous record, etc....and sharing our points of view while we each go through this process. That is the fun of a presidential campaign year.
    Last edited by HobbesIsReal; 05/22/2008 at 06:18 PM.
  16. #216  
    Wow, that is interesting. There are democrats that do not like the 2 candidates and that especially dislike the Clintons or especially dislike the Obamas.

    As for a brawler, there are sound clips out there that do show a degree of aggression that Hillary has yet to show.

    It really is not a far left/right thing. Both candidates are to the left of the majority of the democrat party.



    Quote Originally Posted by electronique View Post
    I know terms like moderate, far right and far left (such as what you call Barye) as relative terms depending on one's own perspective. But for me, if I moved my frame of thinking to the far right, I suppose I would:
    1) not like any of the candidates
    2) especially dislike the Clintons
    3) savor a prolonged democrat race for the hope that Hillary could turn Obama into a partisan brawler and ruin his appeal.

    But then again, if I were thinking like someone far to the right of me would, I would see number 3 wasn't working and I would be looking for another strategy.
  17. #217  
    On the super delegates, look at Robert Byrd - his state went overwhelmingly for Clinton and yet he has thrown his hat in with Obama. It is politics at its best with all of them positioning themselves for the advantage they want, not what their constituents want.
  18. #218  
    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    Electronique....you really do believe that there is a massive right wing conspiracy to split the Dem party as you appear to have accused me and several others on this forum directly or indirectly as conspirators for simply taking an interest in following a very unique nominee process (that would be of interest to anyone who has an interest in politics at all).

    As I have stated several times on this forum, I am certainly right of center, but probably more central than most. I have disagreements with those who are self proclaimed far right and far left (and yes Barye is self proclaimed far left...who maybe going thru a political identity crisis at the moment). There are also countless examples of coming into full agreement with those on the far right and the left (like DaThomas, Barye, Cell, bclinger, etc...). I am usually very open with my opinion when I share my opinions or observations so there is no doubt where I lean on that specific issue. I also appreciate and encourage the sharing of opinions that are different than mine and debating them respectfully. But with no political party loyalties at all, I can easily agree with and criticize both Dems and Reps....a concept that in the past is hard for some to come to grips with and cannot except.

    As for your 1,2,3s points.....

    1) I shared that I had issues with each of them and no personal investment in any of them. Not an uncommon standpoint for many at this point in the game. I guess I should have gone on to say that there are valid points that each of them have made as well.

    2) I know at least 4 devote life long Dems right now that dislike Hillary even more than I do. This is not a unique Far Right Wing point of view in any stretch....especially given the current political environment.

    3) I am not savoring anything. As I have stated several times before this is an interesting situation and I am very curious how they will work it out. Again with how many historical factors are involved, the unique situation with Super Delegates taking a lead roll for the second time in the last hundred years, 2 major state's delegates thrown out the window, and watching the way each candidate is handling the situation......who is not interested in what is happening, what are the possible outcomes and challenges/benefits that could result from all of this? It is nothing more than fun couch side commentating.

    There is little doubt my opinions of each candidate will grow and change as we learn more details about their plans, opinions, previous record, etc....and sharing our points of view while we each go through this process. That is the fun of a presidential campaign year.
    No Hobbes, people with like minds having similar wishes is certainly not a conspiracy. But conspiracy is nonetheless a great word to throw out there if you want to try to cast aspersions on someone and make them seem irrational. But I am not irrational, and I hope thats not what you are trying to do.

    To the contrary, I was simply commenting that if I were of like mind as Bill O'Reilly or Shawn Hannity (and certainly I was reaching because I don't listen to their shows much) I would guess that all three candidates would be too liberal for me, and also that I would enjoy watching the democrats beat each other up and damage themselves prior to the general election. And I would also harbor an special dislike for the Clintons. Is it so far from reality, is it a paranoid delusion for one to suppose that someone on the far right would think this?

    And if your motivations for enjoying a prolonged democrat contest are different, I can accept that. Thank you for clarifying this. Sometimes its informative to know not only another person's positions, but the reasons why they arrived at them.
  19.    #219  
    Sorry...I did not mean the conspiracy reference with any disrespect but with a mind thinking of the widely talked about Rush plot of promoting Hillary to split the Dem party.....which I always thought of as a really silly joke. I must have mistakeningly remembered you as talking about the right wing's goal of trying to cause a rift in the Dem party a time or two. If it was someone else, I apologize.

    I only elaborated because your response seemed to have the goal of pigeon holing me on the far right wing, which is not the truth of the matter at all.

    But I think you got it now. My opinion of the candidates is not based solely on their spectrum of the political scale or their party affiliation, but taken from their actions, record, scandal involvement, honesty of statements, how they appear to hold themselves and/or their affiliated party responsible, etc....

    As for the Clintons, I have listed both pros and cons I have with them in several other threads. For me their cons, include more than the average number of scandals and some of Hillary's policies, etc... is how I arrived at my opinion. One of the pros I have for Bill is his last ditch try for an Israel / Palestine peace deal the last 4 months of his administration. The Palestine's rejected it even though it gave them something like 90% of the land they wanted back and met a vast majority of their demands basically because it also required them to recognize Israel, which they were not willing to do. But I thought it was one of the best efforts in recent history. a major con, I do not like Hillary's health care policy, but that is another thread.

    The same with McCain and Obama, there are things I like and things I disagree with. I look at the man or woman, not the party or political spectrum. But I look at their stance point by point and add them up to reach a sum of my opinion. Doing this is why I have often times voted Dem as well as Rep.....or wished that a certain Dem or Rep would win the nomination so I could vote for them for the position they were seeking.

    In each case, they are reasoned out opinions with facts of why I personally feel that way....not just because they are simply just too liberal or that they are right wing or just the correct shade of green.
    Last edited by HobbesIsReal; 05/22/2008 at 09:44 PM.
  20.    #220  
    I heard on the news that there is something like 150-? state delegates left. Obama needs 70ish more. If no more Super Delegates pledge their votes between now and the end of the primaries, do you think Obama will have enough to OFFICIALLY claim the nominee?

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