Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 20 of 30
  1.    #1  
    In what should come as no surprise, yet is justifiable reason for Kean and Hamilton's anger, the keystone cops under Republican control shield their own from democratic oversight and full disclosure.

    CIA Withheld Qaeda Interrogation Tapes From 9/11 Commission: Report

    NEW YORK (Reuters) - The September 11 commission asked the CIA in 2003 and 2004 for information on the interrogation of al Qaeda suspects, only to be told the agency provided all that was requested, The New York Times reported on Saturday.

    The CIA said on December 6 it destroyed hundreds of hours of videotape in 2005 showing interrogations of al Qaeda suspects Abu Zubaydah and Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri, prompting former members of the commission to review classified documents...


    ...The September 11 commission's chairmen, Lee Hamilton and Thomas Kean, said their reading of the review, a copy of which the newspaper obtained, convinced them the CIA made a conscious decision to impede the panel's inquiry, the Times said...

    ...Kean, a Republican and former New Jersey governor, said the panel would give the memo to federal prosecutors and lawmakers looking into the destruction of the tapes...

    ..."I don't know whether that's illegal or not, but it's certainly wrong," Kean said of the CIA's decision not to disclose the existence of the tapes. Hamilton, a Democrat and former Indiana congressman, said the agency "clearly obstructed" the commission's investigation.

    Among statements that the memo suggested were misleading was a June 2004 assertion by John McLaughlin, deputy director of central intelligence, that the CIA had "taken and completed all reasonable steps necessary to find the documents in its possession, custody or control" in response to the panel's requests and "has produced or made available for review" all such documents, the Times said.

    Kean and Hamilton expressed anger once it was revealed the tapes had been destroyed, the paper said.

    The Times said Zelikow's report provides more evidence to bolster their views about the CIA's actions and was likely to put more pressure on the Bush administration over its handling of the matter.
  2. #2  
    Life really is 2 short to worry about this crap. Ben
  3. #3  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Life really is 2 short to worry about this crap. Ben
    No, it's not. Liberty is precious and should always be protected.
  4. gojeda's Avatar
    Posts
    93 Posts
    Global Posts
    104 Global Posts
    #4  
    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    No, it's not. Liberty is precious and should always be protected.
    Is that what they call political witchhunts these days?
  5. gojeda's Avatar
    Posts
    93 Posts
    Global Posts
    104 Global Posts
    #5  
    In the spirit of completeness, of course:

    Was Pelosi aware of CIA's tactics?

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/articl.../EDR7TS7DI.DTL
  6.    #6  
    ^ When the Speaker assumes the Constitutional duty of forming Policy, I'll let you know, Chuckles.
  7. gojeda's Avatar
    Posts
    93 Posts
    Global Posts
    104 Global Posts
    #7  
    Quote Originally Posted by lifes2short View Post
    ^ When the Speaker assumes the Constitutional duty of forming Policy, I'll let you know, Chuckles.
    Ahh, I see.

    So when Pel00si kept her mouth shut and did not have a problem with those tapes being destroyed, it was due to "constitutional concerns".

    Sorry Shortie - your excuse doesn't pass the laugh test.
  8.    #8  
    ^ Embrace the ownership, Chuckles.
  9. #9  
    DA, you are so very right here. Your life, that of your family, that of my family, certainly far more important than that of the terrorist or enemy combatant. I am sure you are more than aware of their desire to kill you, to kill me, anyone who disagrees with them. So yes, liberty is precious and must be protected.

    Ben

    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    No, it's not. Liberty is precious and should always be protected.
  10. #10  
    That has been the action of the Democrat party - the leadership is informed and frankly doing nothing more than playing games. It is frightening to realize Pelosi is representing bunches of people, playing the game and is letting the world know she is an *****.

    Ben

    Quote Originally Posted by gojeda View Post
    Ahh, I see.
    So when Pel00si kept her mouth shut and did not have a problem with those tapes being destroyed, it was due to "constitutional concerns".

    Sorry Shortie - your excuse doesn't pass the laugh test.
  11.    #11  
    Chuckles and bclinger must've been up late giving each other christmas hugs, since they are no where near embracing the subject or those responsible here. However, bclinger, if you had bothered to read Chuckles' article, it actually exonerates your target rather than crucifying her, as Chuckles had hoped, if one is capable of following the very short history on this. Don't ya just hate it when a christmas gift explodes in your face like that, Chuckles?

    Happy HoHo.
  12. #12  
    I did read it.
  13. xdalaw's Avatar
    Posts
    583 Posts
    Global Posts
    680 Global Posts
    #13  
    Isn't that the same CIA (pathetically) lead by Clinton's appointee: George Tenet? (Sound of crickets in the background...)
    Palm III -> Handspring Visor Deluxe -> Dell Axim X5 Advanced -> Dell Axim X3i -> Dell Axim X50v -> Cingular 8125 -> Sprint Palm Treo 700Wx -> ->Palm Treo 700P (my wife's but I played with it ) -> Sprint Mogul -> Treo 800w -> Touch Pro & Treo Pro.
  14.    #14  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    I did read it.
    Good for you! In that case, you understand what classified information is, when it originates with the Intelligence Community who then briefs the seniormost congressional leaders, as confirmed by Jane Harmon as both she and Pelosi were bound. What? You really think there was no briefing of the Administration who has the authority to declassify this info? From the article:
    Videos were made of those "sensitive" interrogations, which were accurately described as "torture" by one of the agents involved, John Kiriakou, in an interview with ABC News. Yet when the 9/11 Commission and federal court judges specifically asked for such tapes, they were destroyed by the CIA, which then denied their existence.

    Of course our president claims he knew nothing about this whitewash, and he may be speaking the truth, since plausible deniability seems to be the defining leadership style of our commander in chief.

    But what about those congressional leaders who were briefed on the torture program as early as 2002? That includes Democrats like Nancy Pelosi, who has specialized in heartfelt speeches condemning torturers in faraway places like China.

    Pelosi's press aide Brendan Daly told me that the Washington Post report on her CIA briefing was "overblown" because Pelosi, then the ranking Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee thought the techniques described, which the CIA insists included waterboarding, were planned for the future and not yet in use. Pelosi claimed that "several months later" her successor as the ranking Democrat, Rep. Jane Harman of Los Angeles County, was advised the techniques "had in fact been employed" and wrote a classified letter to the CIA in protest, and Pelosi "concurred." Neither went public with her concerns.

    Harman told the Washington Post "I was briefed, but the information was closely held to just the Gang of Four. I was not free to disclose anything."
  15.    #15  
    Quote Originally Posted by xdalaw View Post
    Isn't that the same CIA (pathetically) lead by Clinton's appointee: George Tenet? (Sound of crickets in the background...)
    No. Tenet was the only one to introduce, in 1999, a cohesive worldwide plan for dealing with international terrorism. The same plan that Bush began to follow in 2001, only to chuck it for the sake of Federal Socialism.

    If you want to credit failure where it is due at the CIA, you'll only need to to refer to Colby and his successor, GHW Bush [under Nixon and Ford] who swept the US dirty laundry under the rug of the Church Committee while the US Intelligence Community's international assassinations, undisclosed guerrilla warfare, military coups, manipulation of democratic elections, etc laid the fundamental groundwork for the international backlash the US is the object of today. For a Republican, your elephant has a mighty convenient, short memory. Those who are waging battle against the US do not suffer from the same chronic memory condition. Then again, your 'crickets' would have to be old enough and/or mentally curious enough to recognize historical fact untainted by partisan banter.
  16. #16  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    DA, you are so very right here. Your life, that of your family, that of my family, certainly far more important than that of the terrorist or enemy combatant. I am sure you are more than aware of their desire to kill you, to kill me, anyone who disagrees with them. So yes, liberty is precious and must be protected.

    Ben
    You're confusing safety with liberty.

    I was referring to the liberty of being free from an oppressive gov't that secretly tortures and destroys evidence of that.
  17. gojeda's Avatar
    Posts
    93 Posts
    Global Posts
    104 Global Posts
    #17  
    Quote Originally Posted by lifes2short View Post
    Good for you! In that case, you understand what classified information is, when it originates with the Intelligence Community who then briefs the seniormost congressional leaders, as confirmed by Jane Harmon as both she and Pelosi were bound. What? You really think there was no briefing of the Administration who has the authority to declassify this info? From the article:
    So if it was classified information, as you've just admitted, then why is this even a story?

    Poor Shortie, getting trampled by his own demagoguery yet again.
  18.    #18  
    Quote Originally Posted by gojeda View Post
    So if it was classified information, as you've just admitted, then why is this even a story?

    Poor Shortie, getting trampled by his own demagoguery yet again.
    That pesky Freedom of the Press does not alleviate the legal boundaries held by those receiving classified information. Neither does destruction of evidence, Chuckles. Just ask your hero:
  19. gojeda's Avatar
    Posts
    93 Posts
    Global Posts
    104 Global Posts
    #19  
    Quote Originally Posted by lifes2short View Post
    That pesky Freedom of the Press does not alleviate the legal boundaries held by those receiving classified information. Neither does destruction of evidence, Chuckles.
    Sensitive material has been analyized and questioned by relevant congressional committees many times in Congress, in public, without discussing the morsels of detail that are truly sensitive in nature

    Your, and those of your ilk on this forum, incessant demogogic invocation of "torture" is rich in hypocrisy. You and your party have not (nor has even attempted to) outlaw waterboarding in the past, and there seems to be little desire to do so in the future.

    Save your rhetoric for the lemmings who might actually believe it.
  20.    #20  
    Quote Originally Posted by gojeda View Post
    Sensitive material has been analyized and questioned by relevant congressional committees many times in Congress, in public, without discussing the morsels of detail that are truly sensitive in nature

    Your, and those of your ilk on this forum, incessant demogogic invocation of "torture" is rich in hypocrisy. You and your party have not (nor has even attempted to) outlaw waterboarding in the past, and there seems to be little desire to do so in the future.
    Really? Can't your feet grip a newspaper any longer? You may want to check into the FY2008 Intelligence Authorization bill which just passed 222-199, thanks to some Republicans sobering up under Democratic leadership.

    But, let's not allow facts to inconvenience your specious agenda.

    Save your rhetoric for the lemmings who might actually believe it.
    So that's your best excuse for withholding of evidence. Tell it to the 9/11 commission, Chuckles.
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Posting Permissions