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    Quote Originally Posted by gatorray View Post
    Dang, you aren't going to bite, huh? I thought that was a good insult I hurled at you.

    I remember being in school, firmly planted on the left and debating constantly with a very far right poly-sci professor. And then I started to make some money and with that I started to work my way to the middle. I feel that I am moderate in most of my opinions. I am proud to be a fence-sitter and am just getting tired of the us vs. them mentality. I sometimes envy those that have such a passionate feeling (Liberal or Conservative) but then I realize that with that passion, comes the burden of not being able to learn what the other side is saying.

    As I have always said, the majority of us are in the middle, but that doesn't produce enough sound bites to make the news entertaining. Just look at this thread. It turned into the two of us having a conversation. Since there isn't any flaming or insults, its not stirring up much interest.
    Yea, I think a lot of people tend to shift further right as they grow older. For whatever reasons I started out a Goldwater Republican and are so disillusioned with the Republican party these days that I've shifted to the left. I still think I'm more in the middle (fiscally conservative, socially liberal) and I tend to think there are more Americans in the middle than on the fringes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    I guess the thing that he lied about matters more to me than those further to my right (not surprising). Using your logic I'd imagine you'll soon be saying "Clinton killed" too - of course omitting the fact that he rolled over an ant while doing Monica in his chair in the oval office.
    No, if I were going to bring up Clinton killing, it would be more in the vein of Iraq or Serbia. That being said, I'll probably not be saying any more than that since my statement ultimately had nothing to do with Clinton directly.
    Contrast that lie with dozens of lies that resulted in the death of human beings to suit your hardened stance that "all politicians lie" is rather absurd....
    What I find interesting is that you bring up Clinton here. You don't question my basis for saying that the media are bigger (well, 'more prolific' is probably more apt) liars than politicians? You choose to focus on whether Bush is a bigger liar than Clinton. I think that says more about how you're interpreting what I'm saying than what I'm actually saying.
    in fact, I'd have to question your moral compass for rationalizing things to such extremes for political purposes.
    I don't have a political purpose for saying it (unless you consider thinking both the Republicrats and Democans are full of it a political purpose). You can question my moral compass all you like. AAMOF, you'd probably be better off questioning it than assuming it.
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    Did Bush Lie? Ask his former Press Secretary, Scott McClellan!

    Former press aide blames Bush in CIA leak case

    WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Former White Press Secretary Scott McClellan says in an upcoming book that he was misled by President George W. Bush and other high officials into misinforming the press about a CIA leak case that fueled debate about the Iraq war.

    McClellan says he publicly exonerated former top White House aides Karl Rove and Lewis "Scooter" Libby because Bush had called on him to help restore his credibility after the failure to find weapons of mass destruction in Iraq .

    "There was one problem. It was not true. I had unknowingly passed along false information. And five of the highest ranking officials in the administration were involved in my doing so: Rove, Libby, the vice president, the president's chief of staff, and the president himself," McClellan said in an excerpt released on Tuesday.

    McClellan, a long-time Bush aide, whose job as White House press secretary from 2003 to 2006 was to field questions from the press, was not available for comment.

    His book "Inside the Bush White House and What's Wrong with Washington" is due out only in April, but the publisher, Public Affairs, posted the excerpt on its Web site as a teaser.

    Asked about the excerpt, White House press secretary Dana Perino said: "The president has not and would not ask anyone to pass on false information."

    A criminal investigation into who leaked the identity of former CIA analyst Valerie Plame reached into the ranks of top White House aides and resulted in the conviction of Libby on perjury and obstruction of justice charges in March.

    Libby, Vice President **** Cheney's former chief of staff, was sentenced to 2 1/2 year in prison. Bush commuted the sentence in July.

    Plame's cover was blown after her husband, former Ambassador Joseph Wilson, accused the Bush administration of manipulating intelligence on Iraqi weapons of mass destruction to build its case for war.

    No one was charge with criminally disclosing Plame's identity.

    Rove, Bush's former White House political adviser, was investigated but not charged, in the CIA leak probe.

    On the day when Libby's verdict was announced, McCllelan was asked in an interview on CNN's "Larry King Live" whether he had been lied to by those involved.

    He responded: I did speak directly with them and I was careful about the way I phrased it at the time, even though I believed what they had told me to be the truth."
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    Quote Originally Posted by treotraveler View Post
    And who cares?

    I guess slick willy billy bob never lied about, "I never had sex with that woman".....BWAHAHAHAHAHA

    Or anything else for that matter?

    NRG....you is a good socialist.....


    see theres a big difference here; This was Clinton's private life, and his lie didnt affect the country; it was a harmless lie that any cheating man would have done.


    Now look at Bush's lies

    they actually caused mass casualties, and national debt





    I don't know man, but comparing the two men's lies seems a little off.



    thats like saying a child that lied about split milk is just as wrong as a man on trial lying about murder
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    NRG - any other reason for your original post aside from lathering up the lefty partisan forum trolls, who have predictably fallen over themselves to chime in?
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    Quote Originally Posted by airibis View Post
    see theres a big difference here; This was Clinton's private life, and his lie didnt affect the country; it was a harmless lie that any cheating man would have done.


    Now look at Bush's lies

    they actually caused mass casualties, and national debt





    I don't know man, but comparing the two men's lies seems a little off.



    thats like saying a child that lied about split milk is just as wrong as a man on trial lying about murder
    I don't think we need to go into Clinton's duplicity on matters such as Somalia, Bosnia, and taxation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by airibis View Post
    see theres a big difference here; This was Clinton's private life, and his lie didnt affect the country; it was a harmless lie that any cheating man would have done.

    Now look at Bush's lies

    they actually caused mass casualties, and national debt

    I don't know man, but comparing the two men's lies seems a little off.

    thats like saying a child that lied about split milk is just as wrong as a man on trial lying about murder
    And you see what Republicans do when they are in congressional power? Spending $60M in taxpayer funds in a multi-year witch-hunt resulting in an embarrassingly weak failure of an impeachment trial, further demoralizing Americans' faith in its government's ability to simply manage its own business with any dignity. Of course, if there had been no Arkansas Project funded by Richard Mellon Scaife running/lobbying the Republican congress, the public would've been fed a better diet of news by the media rather than tainting the waters due to Republicans' scorched-earth Rovian tactics.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gojeda View Post
    lefty partisan forum trolls who have predictably fallen over themselves to chime in
    What? I've said nothing... Why am I getting blamed? ;-)
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    Quote Originally Posted by gksmithlcw View Post
    What? I've said nothing... Why am I getting blamed? ;-)
    LOL! Anything to distract from Scott McClellan's account. That's why. The sky would fall if they had to be held accountable for defining themselves as domestic enemies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lifes2short View Post
    LOL! Anything to distract from Scott McClellan's account. That's why. The sky would fall if they had to be held accountable for defining themselves as domestic enemies.
    Or that little fib by Bush that started No. 2 thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gojeda View Post
    NRG - any other reason for your original post aside from lathering up the lefty partisan forum trolls, who have predictably fallen over themselves to chime in?
    Did you bother reading the OP? It was started because the other thread with a collection of 'Bush wasn't aware of remarks' was locked, and Bush was caught lying again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG View Post
    Or that little fib by Bush that started No. 2 thread.
    TC would need super-sized servers if each Republican misrepresentation (lie) were allocated its own thread.

    And yet, not even a responsible whisper from the resident BushCO-apologists of his treasonous direction given to his former Press Secretary. Oh well. Live by the sword ...
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG View Post
    Did you bother reading the OP? It was started because the other thread with a collection of 'Bush wasn't aware of remarks' was locked, and Bush was caught lying again.
    That thread was locked because it was bombastic in nature. This thread is going down the same route.

    So, again, I ask the question - aside from being a hack job and lathering up the partisans, what is the purpose of this thread?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG View Post
    Did you bother reading the OP? It was started because the other thread with a collection of 'Bush wasn't aware of remarks' was locked, and Bush was caught lying again.
    The co-opted BushCO apologists, living loudly in glass houses, also live in denial of their own history where it comes to holding Republicans accountable for their void of integrity and honor.

    ... Die by the sword.
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    I find it interesting that those who harp on conservatives on their inability to reason in the gray-areas of certain issues are the same ones who seem rather black and white on the notion that McClellan thought that Bush lied.

    Perhaps a bit of reality is in order.

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21917188/

    Publisher: McClellan doesn't believe Bush lied
    Spokesman 'did not intend to suggest' the president purposely misled him

    WASHINGTON - Former White House spokesman Scott McClellan does not believe President Bush lied to him about the role of White House aides I. Lewis Scooter Libby or Karl Rove in the leak of CIA operative Valerie Plame's identity, according to McClellan's publisher.

    Peter Osnos, the founder and editor-in-chief of Public Affairs Books, which is publishing McClellan's book in April, tells NBC from his Connecticut home that McCLellan, "Did not intend to suggest Bush lied to him."

    Osnos says when McClellan went before the White House press corps in 2003 to publicly exonerate Libby and Rove, the problem was that his statement was not true. Osnos said the president told McClellan what "he thought to be the case." But, he says, McClellan believes, "the president didn't know it was not true."
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    Did Bush lie? DOES Bush lie?!


    As filed under Hardcore news you won't get from the softcore Repug sock-puppets:

    All 16 US Intelligence Agencies Find Iran Halted Its Nuclear Arms Effort in 2003

    WASHINGTON, Dec. 3 — A new assessment by American intelligence agencies released Monday concludes that Iran halted its nuclear weapons program in 2003 and that the program remains frozen, contradicting a judgment two years ago that Tehran was working relentlessly toward building a nuclear bomb.

    The conclusions of the new assessment are likely to reshape the final year of the Bush administration, which has made halting Iran’s nuclear program a cornerstone of its foreign policy.

    The assessment, a National Intelligence Estimate that represents the consensus view of all 16 American spy agencies, states that Tehran is likely to keep its options open with respect to building a weapon, but that intelligence agencies “do not know whether it currently intends to develop nuclear weapons.”

    Iran is continuing to produce enriched uranium, a program that the Tehran government has said is intended for civilian purposes. The new estimate says that the enrichment program could still provide Iran with enough raw material to produce a nuclear weapon sometime by the middle of next decade, a timetable essentially unchanged from previous estimates.

    But the new report essentially disavows a judgment that the intelligence agencies issued in 2005, which concluded that Iran had an active secret arms program intended to transform the raw material into a nuclear weapon. The new estimate declares instead with “high confidence” that the military-run program was shut in 2003, and it concludes with “moderate confidence” that the program remains frozen. The report judges that the halt was imposed by Iran “primarily in response to increasing international scrutiny and pressure.”

    It was not clear what prompted the reversal. Administration officials said the new estimate reflected conclusions that the intelligence agencies had agreed on only in the past several weeks. The report’s agnosticism about Iran’s nuclear intentions represents a very different tone than had been struck by President Bush, and by Vice President **** Cheney, who warned in a speech in October that if Iran “stays on its present course, the international community is prepared to impose serious consequences.”
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    So let me get this straight.

    The intel on Iraq was bad, but the intel on Iran is now 100% foolproof? Is it because it fits your demagoguery?

    I would say that if the administration was interested in lying about Iran, they would have, and could have, supressed the report.

    So while you are playing partisan politics like the good little paid schill you are, I call the report good news and hope the pressure on Iran encourages them to not restart their efforts.
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    Just when did all 16 US Intelligence Agencies agree on Iraq WMD, Chuckles?
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    They tried to supress the report.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lifes2short View Post
    Just when did all 16 US Intelligence Agencies agree on Iraq WMD, Chuckles?
    Did they disagree? And did various Europrean agencies...and the UN disagree?

    Poor Shortstuff...so confused. tsk tsk....
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