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  1. #81  
    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    If my recollection was wrong, tell me what really happened --- was the disaster inevitable ?? was it entirely unconnected to Corps created projects ??
    Not enough time at the moment, but I'll address this as soon as I can. The short answer is that the hurricane hitting was inevitable statistically and Katrina was far from the worst case. The damage caused should not have been inevitable. The human suffering should not have been either. The disaster was solely the fault of the Corps and their masters in Congress, but MRGO was far from the only problem.
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  2. #82  
    Quote Originally Posted by BARYE View Post
    New Orleans, and Louisiana are subjects much more dear and close to you than to me or any outsider

    I can't know the details of the lakes, canals or water arteries like you must.

    What I wrote reflected my recollection of what I have read and seen in a variety of news reports and documentaries (possibly NOVA or Discovery) -- stuff that convinced me that much of the worst damage suffered by NO was the product of a man made, Corp created water way: Mr. Go -- a waterway that was intended to shorten travel time, but which many foresaw to be dagger at NO's throat.

    That article said: that the "Hurricane Katrina storm surge funneled by MRGO, created multiple breaches in the Canal, resulting in even more extensive catastrophic flooding... "

    If my recollection was wrong, tell me what really happened --- was the disaster inevitable ?? was it entirely unconnected to Corps created projects ??
    OK, keep in mind that to fully explain would take several books worth of information, but I'll try to summarize as succinctly as possible.

    New Orleans proper was founded on relatively high land with a levee to keep the seasonal flooding of the Mississippi at bay. The majority of land in southeastern Louisiana was created by sediment brought downstream from the Mississippi River. The Mississippi has many smaller outflows. A major fork at one time was Bayou Lafourche at Donaldsonville. In order to keep the Mississippi from pursuing the path of least resistance to the Gulf (and effectively bypass New Orleans), in 1903 Bayou Lafourche was dammed at Donaldsonville. This had the effect of basically throwing the ecologies of the marshes of Terrebonne and Lafourche Parishes into a tailspin (combined with navigational projects and the introduction of the nutria, the effects have been devastating). Those two along with St. Bernard and Plaquemines are the traditional buffer that New Orleans has had from hurricanes.

    Now, fast forward to 1927. The Great Mississippi Flood comes along and inspires terrible suffering (but a great blues song which Led Zeppelin later covers). In an effort to stop the city from being flooded (some speculate that it was to stop the more economically gifted areas from being flooded), certain sections of the levees were dynamited. This event still inspires conspiracy theories which were revived during Katrina. It also caused many evacuees from the delta to never return and is why Chicago has such a vibrant blues history. Its greatest legacy, though, is the increased power given to the Corps of Engineers in the Mississippi valley.

    Forward a little further to 1965. Hurricane Betsy comes ashore as a strong Category 3 storm. It makes landfall at the mouth of Bayou Lafourche and pretty much follows right up the course of the bayou. This is the worst possible path for New Orleans since the strongest winds, rains, and storm surge are generally on the northeastern side of the eye wall. There were levee failures, massive flooding, and general chaos. If you can find accounts of it, the parallels to Katrina may be surprising. Of course, theories that the levees were blown up to protect the French Quarter were advanced.

    Until this point, levees were controlled by a hodge podge of local agencies with the Corps only taking care of some projects. After the Flood Control Act of 1965, the Corps was given the sole authority for flood control design and construction in the area. It was to construct structures to protect the area from a Betsy-type storm. The estimates at the time had the project taking 10-15 years. It still wasn't completed when Katrina showed up. Even if it would have been, their fundamental design mistakes would have probably made it moot.

    That's not even considering that maintenance and upkeep by the levee boards wasn't up to snuff either. The Corps designs and contracts construction and then turns it over to the appropriate levee board. OK, this is rambling. I'll have to read it over again later and pick up the holes where I left off.
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  3. #83  
    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    ...The Great Mississippi Flood comes along and inspires terrible suffering (but a great blues song which Led Zeppelin later covers)...
    Not to mention Randy Newman's Louisiana 1927: "Six feet of water in the streets of Evangeline..."
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  4.    #84  
    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    OK, keep in mind that to fully explain would take several books worth of information, but I'll try to summarize as succinctly as possible...

    ...I'll have to read it over again later and pick up the holes where I left off.
    very interesting stuff, I'd heard almost none of it previously --
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