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    im having a little bit of a disagreement with my father on this...

    we can all agree -regardless of whether or not you are familiar with the terms- that acoustics is the study of sound and hearing. and haptics is the study of touch and tactile perception. and osmics (a word introduced to me in this years book "The Secret of Scent" by Luca Turin) is the study of smell and olfactory perception. I was under the impression that optics was the word that corresponded to sight/vision.

    while I know that optics is more of a technological term, my thought process was:

    optic nerve....optical illusion.....an eye doc is called an optrition (pardon my horiffic spelling-posting from treo....no spell check)....and the word derives from optic....but my dad says that optics would not be the word that deals with vision and sight perception.

    the question is: if its not optics, than what the heck is it?

    and for 15 bonus pts, what is the word for taste perception....gustation is eating/tasting, but I guess im looking for an "-ics" word.
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    You might want to look back and look up the words in Latin, to see how they started out or the root.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ktm97 View Post
    You might want to look back and look up the words in Latin, to see how they started out or the root.
    Optic comes from a Greek root.

    Not that I speak Greek, beyond ordering beer on holiday! And I've never even been to Latin, wherever it is...
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    even if I trace the etymology, it wouldn't yield the current word for the science/study of sight/seeing.

    im convinced its optics.....which is defined as the study of light, but.....

    I don't know. optical devices like cameras, telescopes, night vision are all technical...but how is the eye NOT an optical device?
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    I think you mean optician...which is not the eye doctor per se but rather the specialist that is licensed to give you prescription glasses. The true eye doctor is the opthalmologist.
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    Ophthalmologist studies diseases of the eye. Opthamology = a branch of medical science dealing with the structure, functions, and diseases of the eye

    Optician is the guy who makes the eyeglasses. Optician = 1. a maker of or dealer in optical items and instruments
    2 : a person who reads prescriptions for visual correction, orders lenses, and dispenses eyeglasses and contact lenses


    Optometrist studies refraction and vision and prescribes the eyeglasses. Optometry = the health-care profession concerned especially with examining the eye for defects and faults of refraction, with prescribing correctional lenses or eye exercises, with diagnosing diseases of the eye, and with treating such diseases or referring them for treatment.

    That may be closer to what the OP is looking for.

    PS: All definitions are from Merriam Websters. http://www.m-w.com/
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    here's what im getting at:

    suppose you got nerve damage to your hand. im no doctor, but id postulate that you'd go to a neurologist (nervous system), and s/he would do the best to get it functioning fully. all aspects of tactility: temperature, pressure, texture, etc. but the science of tactile perception is haptics. hapticology or hapticologists don't exist. the word comes up a lot in discussions of AI, but has serious implications for humans and how we respond to touch.

    I can't spell it--otoloryonocologists (ear-nose-throat specalists) will treat you if you suffer from amosnia (loss of smell), but the science of smell perception is osmics. there aren't any osmicologists.

    so let's say you're at MIT or NASA or DoD, and building a robot that recognises and percieves (ahem- recieves) images and interperets them. esp in post 9/11 society, the need for intelligent artificial "eyes" are needed, percieving color, depth, movement, shapes, etc.

    (movies (3D and HD etc try to mimic what humans percieve))

    my dad says optics deals with light, and there is more to the eye than light...optics is only part of the puzzle.

    im not looking for opthamologics.....

    im a stubborn fool, and I still am convinced optics would be boxed with vision the way haptics and osmics are. (oganoliptics is general sensory perception my dad taught me.)

    so, am I still incorrect?

    (and I still have no answer on taste, but all taste disorders end in "-usia"....so im trying to trace that suffix)
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    isn't taste olfactory?
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    Quote Originally Posted by shopharim View Post
    isn't taste olfactory?
    gustation/gustatory perception is taste.

    olfaction is smell....the olfactory bulb connects the nose to the brain. smell and taste are good friends but seperate people (so to speak)
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    I think I agree with your dad. Optics tends to denote lenses and other created optical systems, not the eye. See: http://www.du.edu/~jcalvert/optics/gateway.htm


    So how about "Opthalmics"

    Opthalmic: of or relating to or resembling the eye; "ocular muscles"; "an ocular organ"; "ocular diseases"; "the optic (or optical) axis of the eye"; "an ocular spot is a pigmented organ or part believed to be sensitive to light


    Almost all the vendors of eyecare products use the word opthalmics in their marketing:

    http://www.google.com/search?q=ophth...1&start=0&sa=N

    In truth, though, I can't find a single word that describes this area of science. Most references seem to be phrases ("visual perception," "physiological optics" ), or refer to a subset of the field (opthamology). In fact, "Vision," or "Vision Science" seem to be as common as any other term.
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    yeah but I just found this not 10 min. ago.....

    http://cancerweb.ncl.ac.uk/cgi-bin/omd?optical

    1. Of or pertaining to vision or sight. "The moon, whose orb Through optic glass the Tuscan artist views." (Milton)

    2. Of or pertaining to the eye; ocular; as, the optic nerves (the first pair of cranial nerves) which are distributed to the retina.

    3. Relating to the science of optics; as, optical works.
    <optics> Optic angle, a graduated circle used for the measurement of angles in optical experiments. Optical square, a surveyor's instrument with reflectors for laying off right angles.
    Origin: F. Optique, Gr.; akin to sight, I have seen, I shall see, and to the two eyes, face, L. Oculus eye. See Ocular, Eye, and cf. Canopy, Ophthalmia.
    Source: Websters Dictionary
    (01 Mar 1998)

    so optics seems to work for both. why can't it? everyone at work...i asked many: "what comes to mind when I say optics"

    allll said eye or vision or something. and my dad ridiculed me for doing the jay leno streetwalking and saying it doesn't work when I do it...and I gave him the wikipedia articles...and he called them a can of worms.....no matter what I do, even the def. im posting, won't satisfy him.

    the eye is an optical device. the greek optikus means 'to see'.....opthamalic is a medical term, dealing with vision disorders, but how we percieve and interpret what enters the eye.....im to understand that has nothing to do with optics?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Helo Darqness View Post
    im having a little bit of a disagreement with my father on this...

    we can all agree -regardless of whether or not you are familiar with the terms- that acoustics is the study of sound and hearing. and haptics is the study of touch and tactile perception. and osmics (a word introduced to me in this years book "The Secret of Scent" by Luca Turin) is the study of smell and olfactory perception. I was under the impression that optics was the word that corresponded to sight/vision.

    while I know that optics is more of a technological term, my thought process was:

    optic nerve....optical illusion.....an eye doc is called an optrition (pardon my horiffic spelling-posting from treo....no spell check)....and the word derives from optic....but my dad says that optics would not be the word that deals with vision and sight perception.

    the question is: if its not optics, than what the heck is it?

    and for 15 bonus pts, what is the word for taste perception....gustation is eating/tasting, but I guess im looking for an "-ics" word.

    Opthalmics. Here`s lookin at you kid.


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