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    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    Yep, it is most amazing how short our memories are - especially when we yell about about someone else and are as guilty or more.

    Ben
    POSTCARD to Ben:

    I've been to the summit ... and discovered the height of hypocrisy.
  2.    #22  
    I am tickled. Do you have a comment on this:

    By **** MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

    The son of former House Speaker Dennis Hastert moved to Washington
    when his father became speaker and landed a lush lobbying contract for
    Google.

    When Nancy Pelosi was elected Speaker of the House of Representatives,
    she promised to change things — to enact serious, and long overdue,
    ethical reforms — to stop the growing trend of legislators and their
    families accepting gifts, trips, and jobs from lobbyists and
    corporations.

    Well, some things never change.

    Several days ago, Newsmax.com disclosed that in February, shortly
    after his mother became the first woman speaker, Paul Pelosi Jr., was
    hired by InfoUSA for $180,000 a year as its vice president for
    Strategic Planning. Pelosi also kept his other full-time day job as a
    mortgage loan officer for Countrywide Loans in California. And, unlike
    all of the other InfoUSA employees, he did not report to work at the
    company's headquarters in Omaha, Nebraska.

    InfoUSA is the same company that has been cited by the New York Times
    for creating marketing lists that were used by con artists to fleece
    vulnerable elderly people. The lists had provocative names and offered
    the names of elderly people with cancer, elderly people with
    Alzheimer's and gamblers over 55 years of age who think their luck
    will change. After purchasing the lists, the con artists would call
    and convince the elderly person that they had actually ordered an
    expensive item. Once they received the victim's financial information,
    they often emptied their bank accounts, leaving many people penniless.
    Some of InfoUSA's internal e-mails suggest that company employees were
    aware that several of the companies they sold the lists to were under
    investigation.

    And InfoUSA is also the same company that Bill Clinton works for as a
    consultant, and for which the former president was paid $3.3 million
    over the past five years. In addition, the Clintons got $900,000 worth
    of free travel.

    Pelosi insisted that the unusual job opportunity had nothing to do
    with his relationship with his famous and influential mother. He just
    sent in an application for a job and they hired him.

    Of course.

    History seems to be repeating itself here. For the pa st several
    years, Josh Hastert, the son of former Republican Speaker Dennis
    Hastert, was a registered lobbyist for Google. What were his
    qualifications for lobbying for such a huge and influential company?
    Well, to put it bluntly, he had good connections.

    Before entering the world of corporate lobbying, Josh ran a music
    store in northern Illinois. But he decided that he could make more
    money and work less in Washington. And apparently, he was right.

    Although Pelosi's son is not lobbying Congress, the unorthodox payment
    of such a large fee for a second job to someone with no experience at
    all in the basic business of InfoUSA — managing data and creating
    marketing lists — should certainly raise eyebrows. (Also note, that
    this job offer came immediately after his mother became Speaker.)

    And, furthermore, it is likely that Congress will eventually address
    privacy issues involved with the selling of data that InfoUSA sells.
    Pelosi would be directly involved in that legislation, and her son
    should not be involved with the company in any way. In addition, the
    company apparently sells voter lists that could be extremely valuable
    to the Democratic Party and could mean lucrative contracts for
    Infousa.

    And then, there's the issue of what InfoUSA does and how its president operates.

    Several members of Congress have asked the Federal Trade Commission to
    investigate Infousa and its clients.

    The chairman of InfoUSA, Vin Gupta, is a large donor to Democratic
    candidates. Minority shareholders have questioned his payments to Bill
    Clinton and his gifts of free travel to Hillary. The shareholders
    claim that Gupta has been improperly using corporate resources to
    further his own political goals. Gupta gave over $1 million to the
    Clinton Library and $2 million towards Hillary Clinton's $16 million
    millennium New Years' Eve Party.

    So, there's no question that Gupta likes to be close to the powerful.
    He's stayed in the Lincoln bedroom and hosted the Clintons on a
    $146,000 vacation trip to Acapulco on his corporate jet. Lately,
    Pelosi's son has been accompanying Gupta on his jet. He claims that
    it's been strictly business and is "nothing like the Clinton
    situation."

    His payment to Pelosi's son can only be viewed as an investment and
    should be stopped.

    Nancy Pelosi should put on her "mother of five voice" that she brags
    about and tell her son to go back to his day job.
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    The problem is not with either party but with the system. (although, one could argue that the scale of the problem ballooned during the Tom Delay/Hastert era).

    When politicians HAVE to raise obscene amounts of $ to win elections because people in their districts vote like zombies based on the # of misleading TV ads, what did you expect?

    If Dems can resist the level of influence (like hiring former lobbyists to run agencies, have the industry write entire sections of bills), consider yourself lucky.
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    One has to wonder who the Mod is who is too shy to communicate directly with me, by PM, email, smoke-signals, etc, rather than issuing a ban, without warning, and anonymously. Which is it ... Unable or simply unwilling to man-up and communicate?
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    Quote Originally Posted by backbeat-II View Post
    One has to wonder who the Mod is who is too shy to communicate directly with me, by PM, email, smoke-signals, etc, rather than issuing a ban, without warning, and anonymously. Which is it ... Unable or simply unwilling to man-up and communicate?
    You should try and communicate through a PM. Backbeat, you might also want to consider, that "using multiple accounts" is within and of itself a bannable offense. Will I agree with you on most of your points you make, you might want to consider doing it with a sword that is not as sharp on the personal attack edge.

    I also feel that you deserve an explanation to the reason of your original banning.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG View Post
    You should try and communicate through a PM. Backbeat, you might also want to consider, that "using multiple accounts" is within and of itself a bannable offense. Will I agree with you on most of your points you make, you might want to consider doing it with a sword that is not as sharp on the personal attack edge.

    I also feel that you deserve an explanation to the reason of your original banning.
    How is one to know which Mods are clones [multiple accounts] of 'normal' members and which are genuine in their role? Who should I be addressing here? This is the first and only additional login account I've created, due to the obvious circumstance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by backbeat-II View Post
    How is one to know which Mods are clones [multiple accounts] of 'normal' members and which are genuine in their role? Who should I be addressing here? This is the first and only additional login account I've created, due to the obvious circumstance.
    Mods are not going to have multiple accounts I am aware of. I am just saying you are owed an explanation to your banning, so you can have something base a correction on. The mods are reasonably fair here as far as I know.

    You should be addressing the mods, not continuing on with your discussions, IMO.
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    Thanks! While I take some issue over the definition of 'personal attacks', this forum section is primarily about Politics, which has 'attacks' going in 2 directions many times. Equal treatment, if it exists, should be shown in this regard.

    In attempting to communicate with the Mods, I suppose we shall see who was involved and why. Thanks again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG View Post
    Mods are not going to have multiple accounts I am aware of.
    One word ... 'samkim'.
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    Quote Originally Posted by backbeat-II View Post
    One word ... 'samkim'.
    When did they that guy become a Mod?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by backbeat-II View Post
    Thanks! While I take some issue over the definition of 'personal attacks', this forum section is primarily about Politics, which has 'attacks' going in 2 directions many times. Equal treatment, if it exists, should be shown in this regard.

    In attempting to communicate with the Mods, I suppose we shall see who was involved and why. Thanks again.
    While I agree with you they should treat equal, it is almost impossible to police every one of these threads. I can almost guarantee what happened, is someone with soft skin "Triangled" you. I went through my own stint of brief vacations because of just those sorts of things.

    I doubt the poster who triangled you is going to own up, they almost never do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NRG View Post
    When did they that guy become a Mod?!?
    No idea when, but he's posted/complained in this forum about getting an admin email everytime someone deletes their own post. The only other explanation is that he subscribes to every single thread he posts into. Just not realistic. Just how unlikely is it that he's not the only one?

    Triangled's definition?
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    Quote Originally Posted by backbeat-II View Post
    No idea when, but he's posted/complained in this forum about getting an admin email everytime someone deletes their own post. The only other explanation is that he subscribes to every single thread he posts into. Just not realistic. Just how unlikely is it that he's not the only one?

    Triangled's definition?
    By default, I beleieve the board subscribes you to every thread you post into. It does on mine, and I am not an admin.

    Triangled = The alert button on the bottom left of each post is in the shape of a triangle. So therefore when someone hit the alert button you are in effect getting Triangled. The alert function alerts mods to your post, and usaully the soft skin individual sends a typed complaint to the mods on duty.

    Hope I explained that well enough.
  14. #34  
    Fellows...you're just going to get this thread locked at this rate. If one has an issue with one's ban, the Treocentral forum would seem a more apropos area to try and address it, if that is one's actual goal. That being said, I'd think a little reflection and introspection would make it obvious why it happened.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    Fellows...you're just going to get this thread locked at this rate. If one has an issue with one's ban, the Treocentral forum would seem a more apropos area to try and address it, if that is one's actual goal. That being said, I'd think a little reflection and introspection would make it obvious why it happened.
    Nice to see a voice of reason here, instead of the lovefest of the previous postings...you'd think Blazebeat would know the rules by now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion View Post
    Nice to see a voice of reason here, instead of the lovefest of the previous postings...you'd think Blazebeat would know the rules by now.
    Somehow, I doubt your post is going to help.
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  17.    #37  
    The bad thing is that the democrats have not been able to resist temptation either, they say they are, their actions say they are not.

    On the other note, this and similar threads have gotten to the point that the discussion phase hit the road real quickly. I did not complain, though frankly I get tired of a few users downgrading others because of their beliefs. Neither side can substantiate 100% but one side sure as heck rams it down the tube.

    Ben

    Quote Originally Posted by aprasad View Post
    The problem is not with either party but with the system. (although, one could argue that the scale of the problem ballooned during the Tom Delay/Hastert era).

    When politicians HAVE to raise obscene amounts of $ to win elections because people in their districts vote like zombies based on the # of misleading TV ads, what did you expect?

    If Dems can resist the level of influence (like hiring former lobbyists to run agencies, have the industry write entire sections of bills), consider yourself lucky.
    Last edited by bclinger; 06/10/2007 at 01:21 PM.
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    Each party has it's own "base" and vested interests, ideology. Mine happens to be aligned more with Dems than Repubs.

    The modus operandi of both parties will remain the same: viz. the modus operandi of the system.

    Give Dems the control of both houses of Congress and the White House for 6 years, and they too will attain the same levels of influence-peddling as the Repubs (although I have to admire the artistry of Tom Delay in this regard).
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  19. #39  
    Quote Originally Posted by bclinger View Post
    I am tickled. Do you have a comment on this:

    By **** MORRIS & EILEEN MCGANN

    The son of former House Speaker Dennis Hastert moved to Washington
    when his father became speaker and landed a lush lobbying contract for
    Google.

    When Nancy Pelosi was elected Speaker of the House of Representatives,
    she promised to change things — to enact serious, and long overdue,
    ethical reforms — to stop the growing trend of legislators and their
    families accepting gifts, trips, and jobs from lobbyists and
    corporations.

    Well, some things never change.

    Several days ago, Newsmax.com disclosed that in February, shortly
    after his mother became the first woman speaker, Paul Pelosi Jr., was
    hired by InfoUSA for $180,000 a year as its vice president for
    Strategic Planning. Pelosi also kept his other full-time day job as a
    mortgage loan officer for Countrywide Loans in California. And, unlike
    all of the other InfoUSA employees, he did not report to work at the
    company's headquarters in Omaha, Nebraska.

    InfoUSA is the same company that has been cited by the New York Times
    for creating marketing lists that were used by con artists to fleece
    vulnerable elderly people. The lists had provocative names and offered
    the names of elderly people with cancer, elderly people with
    Alzheimer's and gamblers over 55 years of age who think their luck
    will change. After purchasing the lists, the con artists would call
    and convince the elderly person that they had actually ordered an
    expensive item. Once they received the victim's financial information,
    they often emptied their bank accounts, leaving many people penniless.
    Some of InfoUSA's internal e-mails suggest that company employees were
    aware that several of the companies they sold the lists to were under
    investigation.

    And InfoUSA is also the same company that Bill Clinton works for as a
    consultant, and for which the former president was paid $3.3 million
    over the past five years. In addition, the Clintons got $900,000 worth
    of free travel.

    Pelosi insisted that the unusual job opportunity had nothing to do
    with his relationship with his famous and influential mother. He just
    sent in an application for a job and they hired him.

    Of course.

    History seems to be repeating itself here. For the pa st several
    years, Josh Hastert, the son of former Republican Speaker Dennis
    Hastert, was a registered lobbyist for Google. What were his
    qualifications for lobbying for such a huge and influential company?
    Well, to put it bluntly, he had good connections.

    Before entering the world of corporate lobbying, Josh ran a music
    store in northern Illinois. But he decided that he could make more
    money and work less in Washington. And apparently, he was right.

    Although Pelosi's son is not lobbying Congress, the unorthodox payment
    of such a large fee for a second job to someone with no experience at
    all in the basic business of InfoUSA — managing data and creating
    marketing lists — should certainly raise eyebrows. (Also note, that
    this job offer came immediately after his mother became Speaker.)

    And, furthermore, it is likely that Congress will eventually address
    privacy issues involved with the selling of data that InfoUSA sells.
    Pelosi would be directly involved in that legislation, and her son
    should not be involved with the company in any way. In addition, the
    company apparently sells voter lists that could be extremely valuable
    to the Democratic Party and could mean lucrative contracts for
    Infousa.

    And then, there's the issue of what InfoUSA does and how its president operates.

    Several members of Congress have asked the Federal Trade Commission to
    investigate Infousa and its clients.

    The chairman of InfoUSA, Vin Gupta, is a large donor to Democratic
    candidates. Minority shareholders have questioned his payments to Bill
    Clinton and his gifts of free travel to Hillary. The shareholders
    claim that Gupta has been improperly using corporate resources to
    further his own political goals. Gupta gave over $1 million to the
    Clinton Library and $2 million towards Hillary Clinton's $16 million
    millennium New Years' Eve Party.

    So, there's no question that Gupta likes to be close to the powerful.
    He's stayed in the Lincoln bedroom and hosted the Clintons on a
    $146,000 vacation trip to Acapulco on his corporate jet. Lately,
    Pelosi's son has been accompanying Gupta on his jet. He claims that
    it's been strictly business and is "nothing like the Clinton
    situation."

    His payment to Pelosi's son can only be viewed as an investment and
    should be stopped.

    Nancy Pelosi should put on her "mother of five voice" that she brags
    about and tell her son to go back to his day job.
    The system is broke for sure - which is why I am supporting the Dems more and more as they are far and away the best chance at an insider to change the system. I wish there were a viable "moderate" third-party but for now it is all about the lesser of the evils - with all due respect to Shop. 20 years ago I may have felt differently but today the GOP is so far out in left..err right field and so self-absorbed with power and greed and big corporate dollars that I cannot see them changing anything. Now attacking anything that is "disloyal" or represents any changes whatsoever...well that is more their style.

    One major caveat for those that don't know - you don't get much further right than newsmax.com and you won't find a better liar and sleazeball than **** Morris and his loving wacko wife to write such drivel. You remember Dickie don't you? You know the one that was fired because he allowed his prostitute girlfriend to listen in on Clinton's conversations? Yea, the guy that reports for Fox News and has written numerous hate books about the Clintons.

    Honestly Ben, if you ever wondered why I think you are on the fringes of the political right wing this post is a clear example why.
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    As I have stated several times over, all politicians should be held accountable not matter the party, no matter if someone else is doing more illegal or unethical acts. IMHO, earmarks are the driving force for lobbyists, which undermines our whole political and democratic process.

    There is little doubt that the Reps did a grand stand job of using earmarks to their utmost PERSONAL gain, without regard to those they represent. But I also feel the Dem are in the same boat. Just, look at their earmark history before the Rep took control.

    Then also look at what they have done with earmarks in the first 4 months of having power back:

    First of all in the first 100 hours of being in power the Dems passed the Earmark bill that they flaunted all around as a point of pride of keeping their promise of fighting the "culture of corruption" that they said earmarks attributed to. But there was little talk that the ban on earmarks was only for 100 days, then it was free game again. But they did include a rule that it is mandatory to clearly identify "earmarks" and present them to the Minority Leader, which I think is a good thing.

    Now after the 100 day ban on earmarks is over, this is what they are doing to get their earmarks passed without debate:

    House keeps pet projects from scrutiny

    WASHINGTON — After promising unprecedented openness regarding Congress' pork barrel practices, House Democrats are moving in the opposite direction as they draw up spending bills for the upcoming budget year.
    Democrats are sidestepping rules approved their first day in power in January to clearly identify "earmarks" — lawmakers' requests for specific projects and contracts for their states — in documents that accompany spending bills.

    Rather than including specific pet projects, grants and contracts in legislation as it is being written, Democrats are following an order by the House Appropriations Committee chairman to keep the bills free of such earmarks until it is too late for critics to effectively challenge them.........Such requests total billions of dollars.
    When the Dems failed to notify the Minority Leader of tacked on earmarks that go against the set of rules the Dems put in place in Jan, they refused to address the offense when it was brought to their attention:


    Again, this is not in anyway saying the Rep are any better, but I only take issue with the culture of corruption campaign as long as the offender is not a member of the Dem party, which sometimes it what it seems like.
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