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    <<This is the wholesale giveaway of our nation at flea-market rates.>>

    Although we may disagree on what "this" is (it's cause)... the result of giving away our nation is an unfortuante result we may agree we are in danger of getting!
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    Backbeat: First I was a sheep, now a child... what's with the name-calling?
    Certainly you don't hate as much as those we are discussing here, do you?
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    Islamofascist
    Case in point. With your level of diplomatic persuasion, you should be on the front lines of this non-war. Besides, you badly need to come to terms with the concept of context.
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    And the downward spiral continues ...

    Only a child would take such ramblings as the equivalent of traditional declarations of war.
    Name calling ignored.....

    Here are his statements that he has made good on concerning his declaratin of war:

    Timeline of al-Qaida statements
    Messages via audio and video tapes since 1995

    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4686034/

    --May 28, 1998 [Contemporaneous]
    In a video interview with ABC's John Miller, bin Laden praises Ramzi Yousef and Wali Khan Amin Shah, convicted in the "Day of Hate" airliner bombing plot -- which sought to blow up 11 U.S. commercial aircraft in one day -- saying "America will see many youths who will follow Ramzi Yousef." Bin Laden also praises the bombers of the Khobar Towers. "We predict a black day for America and the end of the United States as United States ... Allah willing." Bin Laden’s military commander, Mohammed Atef, also is seen on the tape.

    --June 10, 1999
    In a broadcast of new elements from the January interview, al-Jazeera shows bin Laden telling their interviewer that American civilians are prime targets because they support killing Muslims through their tax payments. The interview represents his broadest rationale for killing Americans. “Jihad now knows that with few weapons and people they destroyed the biggest war machine in Afghanistan. In our opinion, a superpower means nothing. The U.S. is much weaker than the Soviet Union was. We've learned from our Somali brothers how weak and cowardly American soldiers are. They lost only 80 people and they fled. “I look at the great men who attacked Khobar and Riyadh with great respect, those who made the explosions in Riyadh, Khobar, East Africa and young Palestinians who are giving the Israelis a lesson.

    “A man is considered a fighter whether he carries a gun or pays taxes to help kill us. So when they say bin Laden kills civilians, who are they killing in Palestine? Children. Our aim is that every American man is an enemy whether he kills us or pays taxes to kill us. The U.S. has a double standard...75 percent of the American people support Clinton hitting Saddam Hussein. It is a nation where the president’s rating goes up when he kills civilians.

    Here are the attacks the attacks that have happened or planned against the US and the West after their declaration of war was issued:

    Al-Qaida timeline: Plots and attacks
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    -- June 25, 1996

    In an attack whose authorship is still debated by intelligence and law enforcement officials, a truck bomb is detonated at the Khobar Towers complex in Saudi Arabia, killing 19 American servicemen and wounding 400. Although an indictment in early 2001 pins blame on Shiite Muslims backed by Iran, many U.S. officials still believe bin Laden is responsible. Bin Laden himself states in a 1997 interview, “Only Americans were killed in the explosions. No Saudi suffered any injury. When I got the news about these blasts, I was very happy.”

    --Aug. 8, 1998

    Al-Qaida sends suicide bombers into the U.S. embassies in Nairobi, Kenya, and Dar es Salaam, Tanzania. Truck bombs kill more than 240 people, including 12 Americans at the Nairobi embassy. The attack results in the quick arrest of several of the bombers, but not the mastermind, Fazul Abdullah Mohammed. Also known as “Harun,” Mohammed is involved in later al-Qaida attacks.

    --Jan. 1-3, 2000

    U.S. and Jordanian authorities thwart attacks planned to coincide with the Millennium celebrations. In mid-December, Jordanian authorities arrest more than 20 al-Qaida operatives who are planning to bomb three locations where American tourists gather: Mt. Nebo, where Moses first saw the Promised Land; the Ramada Hotel in Amman, a stopover for tour groups; and the spot on the Jordan River where tradition holds John the Baptist baptized Christ. Later in the month, U.S. authorities seize Ahmed Ressam at a border crossing in Port Angeles, WA. He is carrying bomb-making equipment and later discusses his plan to blow up Los Angeles International Airport on New Year's Eve.

    -- Jan. 13, 2000

    The cross Africa Dakar-to-Cairo auto race is diverted after the U.S. intelligence community receives word of a planned ambush in the African nation of Niger. Word of the planned ambush was passed to race organizers over the weekend shortly after it was received, leading to a suspension of the race and a massive airlift on Thursday. Cargo planes were flying some 1,365 crew members and 336 vehicles as well as tons of equipment from Niamey, capital of Niger, to Sabha in southern Libya.

    -- Oct. 12, 2000

    A bomb on board a small Zodiac-like boat detonates near the USS Cole in the port of Aden in Yemen, killing 17 U.S. sailors and wounding scores more. The bombing also kills two al-Qaida operatives in the boat. The United States later learns the Cole was the second destroyer targeted by al-Qaida. The attack was originally planned for Jan. 3, 2000, when the USS The Sullivans was in the same port.

    -- Sept. 9, 2001

    Two Moroccan men, posing as television journalists, kill themselves and Ahmad Shah Massoud, leader of the Northern Alliance, at the alliance headquarters in the Panjshir Valley of Afghanistan. The killing of Massoud may have been the first part of the Sept. 11 attacks.

    --Sept. 11, 2001

    Three hijacked planes are flown into major U.S. landmarks, destroying New York's World Trade Center towers and plowing into the Pentagon. A fourth hijacked plane crashes in rural Pennsylvania, its target believed to have been the U.S. Capitol. At least 3,044 people are killed. The death toll is nearly 10 times greater than any other terrorist attack in history and makes bin Laden, for the first time, a household name in the United States and the west.

    --Dec. 22, 2001

    Passengers and crew of an American Airlines flight from Paris to Miami subdue Richard Reid after he attempts to light a bomb hidden inside his shoe. Some in U.S. intelligence community believe the bombing was last vestige of a larger plan that included the attacks on New York and Washington as well as bombings of other airliners over the oceans.

    --Jan. 31, 2002

    Pakistani militants behead Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl in Karachi after holding him for several days. U.S. officials report there is evidence Khalid Sheik Mohammed. Al-Qaida’s operations chief, may have played a role in his kidnapping and murder. Pearl is shown on a tape being beheaded.

    -- March 17, 2002

    Islamic militants attack the Protestant International Church in Islamabad, killing five. Among those killed were Americans Barbara Green and her daughter Kristen Wormsley. Pakistani officials blame al-Qaida.

    --March 20, 2002

    Nine people are killed and 30 wounded in a car bomb explosion near the U.S. Embassy in Lima. Peru.

    --April 11, 2002

    A suicide bomber explodes a truck near the El Ghriba synagogue on the southern Tunisian island of Djerba, killing 14 Germans, five Tunisians and a Frenchman. Khalid Sheik Mohammed and Saad bin Laden, Osama bin Laden's third youngest son, are believed behind the attack.

    --May 8, 2002

    A suspected suicide bomber in a car kills himself near a bus carrying 11 French navy experts and three Pakistanis outside the Sheraton Hotel in the southern Pakistani city of Karachi.

    --May 2002

    Moroccan police arrest three Saudi nationals who were allegedly planning attacks against U.S. and British warships in the Strait of Gibraltar. The men are arrested in May and claim to belong to the al-Qaida network. Moroccan officials say the suspects planned to sail a dinghy loaded with explosives from Morocco into the strait to attack the vessels.

    --June 14, 2002

    Another suicide car bomber detonates a bomb outside the U.S. consulate in Karachi, killing at least 11 people and wounding 45. No Americans is killed. The bomb is in the trunk of a moving car. The car's passengers, Pakistani nursing students, are unaware of the bomb.

    --Sept. 5, 2002

    Afghan President Hamid Karzai survives an assassination attempt when shots are fired into the presidential limousine. Karzai was on his way to a wedding celebration in Kandahar. He is not hurt but one of this U.S. bodyguards and the governor of Kandahar are wounded. The attack comes just after a car bomb exploded near two government offices in Kabul, killing 22 people.

    --Oct. 5, 2002

    A small boat sidles up to the SS Limburg, a French tanker off al-Mukalla, Yemen, and detonates a bomb. One crew member drowns and 24 are rescued.

    --Oct. 8, 2002

    Two U.S. Marines are killed in Kuwait in the early stages of the U.S. military buildup in preparation for the invasion of Iraq. The Marines were attacked on Faylaka Island, about 12 miles north of Kuwait City.

    --Oct. 12, 2002

    Bombs explode in Kuta Beach nightclub district of Bali in Indonesia, killing 202 people and wounding hundreds. Five Americans are among the dead. A third bomb explodes near the U.S. Consulate in Sanur near Kuta, without causing casualties. Bombers later admit they expected many more American casualties. The bombing highlights the reach of al-Qaida.

    --Oct. 28, 2002

    A group of al-Qaida operatives kills U.S. AID worker Laurence Foley, 62, outside his home as he prepared to leave for work. Foley’s attackers are arrested by Jordanian officials in December.

    --Nov. 28, 2002

    At least 15 people are killed in car bomb attack on hotel frequented by Israeli tourists in Kenyan port of Mombasa. On the same day, two missiles are fired at but miss an Israeli airliner taking off from the city. Fazul Abdullah Mohammed, mastermind of the 1998 embassy bombings, is sought by Kenyan officials in the attacks.

    --May 12, 2003

    Suicide bombers in vehicles shoot their way into housing compounds for expatriates in Saudi capital of Riyadh so they can set off bombs. Some 35 people, including nine Americans, are killed. The attacks are a watershed for the Saudi government, which for years had thought al-Qaida would not attack the kingdom. As a result of the attacks, cooperation between the U.S. and Saudi governments grows rapidly.

    --May 16, 2003

    Suicide bombers using cars or explosive belts set off at least five blasts in Casablanca, Morocco, killing 44 people, including 12 bombers, and wounding about 60. The deaths of 17 bombers in Saudi and 12 in Morocco suggest that al-Qaida is having no trouble recruiting suicide bombers.

    --June 7, 2003

    A suicide car bomber blows up a bus full of German peacekeepers, killing four and wounding 31 east of Kabul. An Afghan civilian and the bomber are also killed.

    --Aug. 5, 2003

    A huge truck bomb kills 16 people and wounds 150 as it rips through Marriott Hotel in the Indonesian capital Jakarta. One foreigner, a Dutch businessman, is among the dead.

    --Nov. 8, 2003

    In an attack reminiscent of al-Qaida's May attack, suicide bombers backed by gunmen enter a residential compound in Riyadh detonate two car bombs, killing 17, among them 5 children, and wounding 122. The attack uses vehicles disguised to look like police cars. U.S. and Saudi intelligence services had warned of a possible attack in the days before, even thwarting an attack in Mecca.

    --Nov. 15, 2003

    At least 29 people are killed and scores were injured in near simultaneous explosions at two Istanbul synagogues, the first al-Qaida attack against Muslim Turkey, a NATO member and military ally of Israel. One blast occurs outside the Neve Shalom synagogue in the historic Beyoglu district in the heart of Istanbul. Another goes off close to another synagogue in the nearby neighborhood of Sisli. An small Turkish militant group aligned with Al-Qaida takes responsibility for the attack.

    --Nov. 20, 2003

    The Istanbul headquarters of London-based bank HSBC and the British consulate in the Turkish city are targeted in similar attacks, with a total of 32 people killed in the twin blasts. The blasts replicate the twin attacks five days earlier against Istanbul synagogues in that both used “drive by bombings,” in which bomb-laden trucks are detonated by suicide bombers as the vehicle moves past the target.

    --Dec. 4, 2003

    Maj. Gen. Abdelaziz al-Huweirini, the No. 3 official in Saudi Arabia's Interior Ministry and the kingdom's top counterterrorism official, is moderately wounded in an attack. Huweirini has worked closely with American officials. It is one of at least three such attacks or assassination attempts on Saudi intelligence service officials in December. No one has been killed in the attacks, which are in retaliation for the stepup in Saudi operations against al-Qaida.

    --Dec. 14, 2003

    Pakistani President Pervez Musharaff barely escapes death as his presidential motorcade travels over a bridge in Rawalpindi. The president is saved because of a jamming device on his car which scrambles signals on frequencies used to detonate remotely controlled bombs. The bomb detonates 30 seconds after the motorcade passes by. It is estimated to have weighed 1,000 pounds. The sophistication of the attack seems to indicate an “inside job.” Pakistani officials publicly blame al-Qaida for the attack, noting that 10 weeks earlier, Ayman Zawahiri called for Muslims to “topple” Musharraf’s regime.

    --Dec. 25, 2003

    Two pick-up trucks packed with explosives ram into Pakistani President Musharraf's cavalcade from opposite sides of the road while he returns from Islamabad to his official residence at Army House in Rawalpindi. Musharraf was not hurt, but three vehicles at the tail end of the convoy are destroyed. Several policemen on security duty are killed and more than fifty others wounded.

    --Feb. 6, 2004

    A suicide bomber detonates a bulk explosive at the deepest point in the Moscow Metro, killing 40 people. The attack is believed to be the work of a Saudi militant Abu Walid, whose financing of Chechen rebels has given him great power within the movement to free the breakaway Russian republic. The attack occurs near the Avtozavodskaya metro station and is supposedly a revenge attack for Russian troops atrocities against Chechen civilians in the town on Alda four years to the day earlier.

    --Feb. 27, 2004

    A bomb onboard a Philippines ferry detonates, starting a fire that kills at least 100 people on their way from Manila to Bacolod in the central Philippines. The ferry was carrying around 860 people when two hours into the trip an explosion ripped the ferry, leading to a fire that quickly engulfed it. Abu Sayef, the al-Qaida affiliate, initially claims responsibility although the Philippines government denies the explosion was the result of a bombing. Later U.S. officials say the bombing was deliberate, not accidental.

    --March 11, 2004

    A co-ordinated bombing of trains in Madrid leaves more than 190 people dead and hundreds wounded. The attack, which leads to the unexpected fall of the pro-U.S. government of Anzar, is blamed on Morrocan terrorists with close links to al-Qaida. According to investigators, the attack was carried out not by al-Qaida or even an affiliate, but instead by radical Muslims who identified with al-Qaida and were led by a charismatic figure.

    --April 5, 2004

    The mastermind of the March 11 attacks and five others blow themselves up in a Madrid apartment building, killing a special policeman as well. Explosives discovered in the building where the five killed themselves to avoid capture indicate they were plotting more violence and were linked to the failed bombing of a high-speed rail line Friday. Two or three suspects may have escaped before blast.

    --April 21, 2004

    A suicide bomber kills five people, including two senior Saudi police officers and an 11-year-old girl, in an attack on a government building in Riyadh. An Islamic militant group, the al-Haramin Brigades, claims responsibility.

    --May 1, 2004

    Attack on oil refinery in Yanbu, Saudi Arabia, in which gunmen target senior executive at the facility, partly owned by ExxonMobil. Five foreigners are killed, including two Americans.

    --May 20, 2004

    Saudi security forces clash with five suspected Islamic militants near Buraida, killing four and wounding the fifth.

    --May 30, 2004
    Miilitants go on a shooting rampage at two oil industry office/residential compounds in the Persian Gulf coast city of Khobar, killing 22 people, mostly foreigners including one American.

    --Dec. 6, 2004
    Al-Qaida claims responsibility for an attack on the U.S. Consulate in Jiddah, Saudi Arabia, that left five non-American employees dead.

    --Dec. 12, 2004

    A bomb exploded in a Philippine market packed with Christmas shoppers Sunday, killing at least 15 people and shattering a months long lull in terror attacks in the volatile southern Philippines, where Muslim rebels are active.

    The homemade bomb, concealed in a box, went off in the meat section of the market in General Santos, about 620 miles south of Manila. Officials immediately bolstered security in the predominantly Christian port city of 500,000 people, fearing more attacks.

    --Dec. 29, 2004

    Al-Qaida operatives launch an attack on Saudi Arabia's Ministry of Interior in Riyadh, hoping to topple the ministry's inverted pyramid structure.The attack fails with seven terrorists killed and one ministry officer seriously wounded.

    --June 20, 2004

    U.S. and Afghan authorities disclose the arrest of four Pakistani men on charges they were plotting the assassination of Zalmay Khalilizad, the US ambassador to Kabul.

    —June 15, 2005

    Chechen rebels try to derail a train on its way from Grozny to Moscow. The train derails, but only 15 people are injured.

    —July 7, 2005

    Four suicide bombers detonate bombs on London Underground trains and a double-decker bus, killing 56 people in the worst terrorist attack ever in the UK and the greatest civilian loss of life since the blitz more than 60 years ago. The bombers are all British nationals and three are British born. Three are of Pakistani descent, the fourth a Jamaican who converted to Islam.

    July 21, 2005

    Two weeks after the first Underground bombing, four other would-be suicide bombers attempt an identical attack on three trains and a bus. The bombs fail to go off and wound only one passenger. Within days, all four men are identified and arrested. Again, all are British nationals, this time of East African descent.

    —July 23, 2005

    Three bombs detonate in the Egyptian resort city of Sharm el-Sheikh, killing 63, the worst terrorist attack in that country’s history. Two of the bombs detonated at resort hotels favored by Western tourists while the third went off in the city’s marketplace. Egyptian authorities rounded up a number of suspects and later killed one of the country’s leading Islamists in a shootout.

    —Aug. 19, 2005

    Attackers fire Katushka rockets in the Jordanian port city of Aqaba, narrowly missing a U.S. Navy ship, and killing a Jordanian security man in a dockside warehouse. Two rockets are fired into the nearby Israeli port city of Eliat, causing minor damage.
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    ^ No name-calling. A characterization.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    Wait....a little while ago I heard several on the left say it is NOT a WAR on Terror....now it is? Just defining the definition of the actual state we are in.
    Da....do you consider us in a state of war on terror? This should be the first item defined in your posed question.

    If we take your answer at face value if it is:

    If No: then the answer to your questions is certainly YES!!!! It is terrorism. Unless you define attacking a nation's military bases during peace time something else.

    If Yes: then what made you change your mind as a little while ago you were certain there was no War on Terror?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    If Yes: then what made you change your mind as a little while ago you were certain there was no War on Terror?
    Where was that statement made?
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    Talk about avoiding responsibility ...

    Possibly you missed it, but there is no genuine war on terror. However, if such a war existed, it seems to me that the US is losing it badly by addictively addressing symptoms and tactics rather than causes. If causes were being directly addressed, the end of 'hostilities' would be within sight after 5 1/2 years of full scale, international 'war'. By the way, when do we know we've won? When every 'IslamoFascist' is dead? Yippee!

    The ability to think-forward is critically necessary to be a world-leader, yet your leadership can't muster the progressive thinking of Herbert Hoover! Who's financing this 'war'? It certainly isn't you or I regardless of how many magnetized yellow ribbons you have on your SUV. The only future this 'war' shall bring is a further isolated US which is the property of China. This is no war. This is the wholesale giveaway of our nation at flea-market rates.
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    Bueller . . .
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    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    Da....do you consider us in a state of war on terror? This should be the first item defined in your posed question.
    Terrorism is a tactic.
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    I take that as you do not believe we are in state of war.

    Then with your point of view taken at face value, then my answer to your original question is undoubtably YES this would be considered an act of terrorism and they should be treated as terrorist.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    I take that as you do not believe we are in state of war.

    Then with your point of view taken at face value, then my answer to your original question is undoubtably YES this would be considered an act of terrorism and they should be treated as terrorist.
    Nope, it's a tactic and as you don't understand that you fail to understand with whom the US (West) is in conflict with.

    Thus in regards to the original question the distinction between tactical terms such as a "guerilla" attack and a "terrorist" attack is important to keep in mind. But make your choice based on the word's actual meaning, not the relentless rhetoric.

    guer·ril·la or gue·ril·la
    n. A member of an irregular, usually indigenous military or paramilitary unit operating in small bands in occupied territory to harass and undermine the enemy, as by surprise raids.


    ter·ror·ism
    n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
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    Aahh yes ... If the world were simply a black-and-white simplistic place where it was just good against evil. What a dream! *sigh*
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    Nope, it's a tactic and as you don't understand that you fail to understand with whom the US (West) is in conflict with.
    Organized groups who have declared war on the US and the West and have vowed and encouraged all others to vow to kill every man, women, and child in those countries, unless they convert and submit to their version of their religion with them ruling it. Followed up with actions to back their statements of raging war against both military and civilian targets against interest of both the US and other nations of the West or support any of them. That about sums up who we are in conflict with.


    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    Thus in regards to the original question the distinction between tactical terms such as a "guerilla" attack and a "terrorist" attack is important to keep in mind. But make your choice based on the word's actual meaning, not the relentless rhetoric.

    guer·ril·la or gue·ril·la
    n. A member of an irregular, usually indigenous military or paramilitary unit operating in small bands in occupied territory to harass and undermine the enemy, as by surprise raids.
    This is a HUGE stretch and rather weak justification. The key in your statement is "indigenous military or paramilitary unit operating in small bands in occupied territory". So if these guys are guerrilla soldiers operating here in the US, are they indigenous and who is occupying the United States to qualify them as operating in occupied territory? For that matter the same could be asked about the London Bombs, 9/11, the foiled plan with the liquid bombs on the planes our of England to the US? Where they indigenous and who was occupying the land they were operating in?


    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    ter·ror·ism
    n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
    I think you forgot a few other of the other definitions:
    • noun. the calculated use of violence (or the threat of violence) against civilians in order to attain goals that are political or religious or ideological in nature; this is done through intimidation or coercion or instilling fear
    • n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
    • The use of violence and threats to intimidate or coerce, esp. for political purposes.
    • Acts of violence committed by groups that view themselves as victimized by some notable historical wrong. Although these groups have no formal connection with governments, they usually have the financial and moral backing of sympathetic governments. Typically, they stage unexpected attacks on civilian targets, including embassies and airliners, with the aim of sowing fear and confusion. Israel has been a frequent target of terrorism, but the United States has increasingly become its main target.
    • the unlawful use or threat of violence esp. against the state or the public as a politically motivated means of attack or coercion
    • Source: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/terrorism


    Now compare ALL the definitions to those examples I listed in Post #43 above and which one seems to fit more accurately?
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    Nope, it's a tactic and as you don't understand that you fail to understand with whom the US (West) is in conflict with.

    Thus in regards to the original question the distinction between tactical terms such as a "guerilla" attack and a "terrorist" attack is important to keep in mind. But make your choice based on the word's actual meaning, not the relentless rhetoric.

    guer·ril·la or gue·ril·la
    n. A member of an irregular, usually indigenous military or paramilitary unit operating in small bands in occupied territory to harass and undermine the enemy, as by surprise raids.


    ter·ror·ism
    n. The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.
    Using your own definitions as posted; this alleged plot, if proven true, should correctly be classified as terrorism.
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    It's refreshing to see the NeoCons take their mask off once in a while. It must get old always being in drag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HobbesIsReal View Post
    For that matter the same could be asked about the London Bombs, 9/11, the foiled plan with the liquid bombs on the planes our of England to the US? Where(sic) they indigenous and who was occupying the land they were operating in?
    Are you reading the same thread as I am? You're talking about attacks against civilians here. The entire point of this thread's OP was since this was a military target is it "terrorism"?
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    Again....since "we are not at war" then attacking a military base in a time of peace is either terrorism and/or an act of war.
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    Quote Originally Posted by daThomas View Post
    Are you reading the same thread as I am? You're talking about attacks against civilians here. The entire point of this thread's OP was since this was a military target is it "terrorism"?
    Just wondering why you're asking, since nowhere in the article does it label these people as being terrorists, or that they are being charged as such.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion View Post
    Just wondering why you're asking, since nowhere in the article does it label these people as being terrorists, or that they are being charged as such.
    Just wait until the Patriot Act gets finished with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insertion View Post
    Just wondering why you're asking, since nowhere in the article does it label these people as being terrorists, or that they are being charged as such.
    The first day this story broke the term was used everywhere.
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