Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast
Results 21 to 40 of 79
  1. #21  
    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    I'm not so much interested in disproving anybody's belief system so much as I am interested in understanding how some think that Jesus would view the political parties
    From my understanding of the biblical Jesus through years of study, I conclude he would likely ignore the political parties and align with none.

    particularily the one that woos his followers fervently every election.
    Intellectual honesty can only conclude both parties are equaly guilty of such, they use different religious1 appeals to achieve their own selfish objectives.


    1Religious = as in a cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
    Last edited by TreoNewt; 05/07/2007 at 01:28 AM.
    Have a great one...Doc D.

    Phillips VELO > Palm III > Palm V > Palm 505m > Treo 180 > Treo 300 > Samsung i500 > Treo 700p > HTC 6800 > Treo 800w > Treo Pro > Palm Pre > HTC Evo
  2.    #22  
    Quote Originally Posted by TreoNewt View Post
    Intellectual honesty can only conclude both parties are equaly guilty of such, they use different religious1 appeals to achieve their own selfish objectives.

    1Religious = as in a cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.
    Hmmm...not sure I agree with you on this one. Both guilty? In a "kissing babies" sort of way maybe. But only one has strategically aligned and reinvented itself the last 20 years with Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed, Ted Haggerty, and other evangelicals....sometimes literally pew by pew....to win that block of voters.
  3. backbeat's Avatar
    Posts
    55 Posts
    Global Posts
    138 Global Posts
    #23  
    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    Hmmm...not sure I agree with you on this one. Both guilty? In a "kissing babies" sort of way maybe. But only one has strategically aligned and reinvented itself the last 20 years with Pat Robertson, Ralph Reed, Ted Haggerty, and other evangelicals....sometimes literally pew by pew....to win that block of voters.
    A little distinction there is that the examples you offer are more politically-charged christian institutions, whereby the ******* step-child product is a disturbed version of both christianity and American politics. Unfortunately, this is the base of the conservative movement.

    “No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other, or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon [wealth]/influence]” - Matthew 6:24
  4. #24  
    The definition of religious that I allude to in my post, provides validity to my statement.

    Think about it, are the Republicans the only party guilty of using causes, principles, or activities pursued by groups with zeal and conscientious devotion to acquire political power?
    Have a great one...Doc D.

    Phillips VELO > Palm III > Palm V > Palm 505m > Treo 180 > Treo 300 > Samsung i500 > Treo 700p > HTC 6800 > Treo 800w > Treo Pro > Palm Pre > HTC Evo
  5. backbeat's Avatar
    Posts
    55 Posts
    Global Posts
    138 Global Posts
    #25  
    Quote Originally Posted by TreoNewt View Post
    The definition of religious that I allude to in my post, provides validity to my statement.

    Think about it, are the Republicans the only party guilty of using causes, principles, or activities pursued by groups with zeal and conscientious devotion to acquire political power?
    While I follow your logic, I believe you're opening a Pandora's Box since there are multitudes of core Party issues that have been/are being passionately pursued within every Party, including the minor leagues.
  6. #26  
    Quote Originally Posted by backbeat View Post
    While I follow your logic, I believe you're opening a Pandora's Box since there are multitudes of core Party issues that have been/are being passionately pursued within every Party, including the minor leagues.
    Pandora's Box for some...for me, an honest reality; in my estimation both political parties are equally guilty of pursuing their own at the expense of gullible groups - being the religious right, the environmentalist, anti-war groups, etc.

    Few (if any) politicians this days have the courage of their convictions, few willing to stake their political future for what they believe in.
    Have a great one...Doc D.

    Phillips VELO > Palm III > Palm V > Palm 505m > Treo 180 > Treo 300 > Samsung i500 > Treo 700p > HTC 6800 > Treo 800w > Treo Pro > Palm Pre > HTC Evo
  7. #27  
    Quote Originally Posted by TreoNewt View Post
    Few (if any) politicians this days have the courage of their convictions, few willing to stake their political future for what they believe in.
    I fully agree and have stated several times in the past that if there was a truly honest politician on the house or above level of the political arena, then their life would be danger.
  8. #28  
    Quote Originally Posted by smileyboy View Post
    Yep, Jesus would not be associated with ANYpolitics.
    Matthew 18:36
    Jesus answered: "My kingdom is no part of this world. If my kingdom were part of this world, my attendants would have fought that I should not be delivered up to the Jews. But, as it is, my kingdom is not from this source."
    Amen! amen!
    Lance
    http://www.aslmentor.com
    (my avatar means "I love you" in sign language.
    --------------------------
    PalmIII->Sidekick I-->Sidekick II -->Sidekick III and now Treo 750 which blows them all away.
  9. #29  
    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    Lot's of *****footing around anyway lately so let's get to the point here - if Christ were alive today, would he be a Republican? If so, what portions of the platform would he support today?
    Quite possibly. After all, His M-O is one of condescending to the estate of those most in need.
  10. #30  
    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    Lot's of *****footing around anyway lately so let's get to the point here - if Christ were alive today, would he be a Republican?
    Not bloody likely. OTOH, I can't really see him being a Democrat either. He'd likely be an Independent.
    If so, what portions of the platform would he support today?
    Well, about the only one I could see would be the 'pro-life' thing, but then again, he wouldn't need stem cells to heal the sick if the stories were accurate.
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
  11. backbeat's Avatar
    Posts
    55 Posts
    Global Posts
    138 Global Posts
    #31  
    Quote Originally Posted by TreoNewt View Post
    Pandora's Box for some...for me, an honest reality; in my estimation both political parties are equally guilty of pursuing their own at the expense of gullible groups - being the religious right, the environmentalist, anti-war groups, etc.
    'Pursuing their own at the expense of gullible groups'? Explain?

    Not every interest within a Party is along the lines of the world-is-still-flat mentality. Nor do these interests have the societal effect that religious-political cults [Falwell, Roberson, Dobson, et al] do.
  12. #32  
    Quote Originally Posted by TreoNewt View Post
    My view of Jesus would not define him as an "anti-establishment" but rather as one that worked above the establishment for the betterment of fellow men.
    He was definitely anti-establishment in the sense of being very opposed to the establishment at his time (both the Roman occupiers and the Jewish authorities).
    ‎"Is that suck and salvage the Kevin Costner method?" - Chris Matthews on Hardball, July 6, 2010. Wonder if he's talking about his oil device or his movie career...
  13. #33  
    Quote Originally Posted by backbeat View Post
    [Not every interest within a Party is along the lines of the world-is-still-flat mentality.
    Agreed.

    Nor do these interests have the societal effect that religious-political cults [Falwell, Roberson, Dobson, et al] do.
    I respectfully disagree.

    Not from your perspective, they don't, from the other's perspective, they do.

    Issues such as abortion (barring the religious opinions), the environment, the Iraq war, illegal immigration and others, have America deeply polarized, just as much as religion does. Political parties constantly exploit these divides to achieve control of "voter blocks" to secure their own rise to power.
    Have a great one...Doc D.

    Phillips VELO > Palm III > Palm V > Palm 505m > Treo 180 > Treo 300 > Samsung i500 > Treo 700p > HTC 6800 > Treo 800w > Treo Pro > Palm Pre > HTC Evo
  14. #34  
    Quote Originally Posted by Toby View Post
    He was definitely anti-establishment in the sense of being very opposed to the establishment at his time (both the Roman occupiers and the Jewish authorities).
    Again, I not saying he was or was not, just expressing my view based on years of theological study.
    Have a great one...Doc D.

    Phillips VELO > Palm III > Palm V > Palm 505m > Treo 180 > Treo 300 > Samsung i500 > Treo 700p > HTC 6800 > Treo 800w > Treo Pro > Palm Pre > HTC Evo
  15. backbeat's Avatar
    Posts
    55 Posts
    Global Posts
    138 Global Posts
    #35  
    Quote Originally Posted by TreoNewt View Post
    Issues such as abortion (barring the religious opinions), the environment, the Iraq war, illegal immigration and others, have America deeply polarized, just as much as religion does. Political parties constantly exploit these divides to achieve control of "voter blocks" to secure their own rise to power.
    When I consider the threatened intent of the religious-political cults to make this nation an unbranded theocracy, the other interests pale in comparison, IMO. Those within those cults and those innocently complicite will obviously differ in their perspective.
  16.    #36  
    Quote Originally Posted by shopharim View Post
    Quite possibly. After all, His M-O is one of condescending to the estate of those most in need.
    Just need to clarify what you are saying here - you think he would because the GOP caters to those most in need? I cannot recall the use of "condescending" in quite the context I think you intended.
  17. #37  
    Quote Originally Posted by backbeat View Post
    When I consider the threatened intent of the religious-political cults to make this nation an unbranded theocracy, the other interests pale in comparison, IMO. Those within those cults and those innocently complicite will obviously differ in their perspective.
    Don't you think the theist see your side as wanting to make this nation a unbranded godless socialist state? Don't you see they feel as threatened by your agenda as you feel threatened by theirs?
    Have a great one...Doc D.

    Phillips VELO > Palm III > Palm V > Palm 505m > Treo 180 > Treo 300 > Samsung i500 > Treo 700p > HTC 6800 > Treo 800w > Treo Pro > Palm Pre > HTC Evo
  18.    #38  
    Quote Originally Posted by TreoNewt View Post
    Think about it, are the Republicans the only party guilty of using causes, principles, or activities pursued by groups with zeal and conscientious devotion to acquire political power?
    We're talking Jesus (and Christians) here and in that regard I could not disagree any stronger that both parties are equally guilty of chasing his followers for political gain. Sure, both parties are guilty of pandering to PACs, lobbyist, and extreme groups that have both voting power and money - I am not disputing that. But when it comes to religion and the exploitation of the religious with promises of compromising our secular state by advancing one's religion over another I get particularily worked up. But I digress....

    The point of the thread was to examine just how Christian Jesus would think Republicans truly are and I for one think he'd run away from any political party....but would run the fastest away from the GOP.
  19. #39  
    Quote Originally Posted by moderateinny View Post
    We're talking Jesus (and Christians) here and in that regard I could not disagree any stronger that both parties are equally guilty of chasing his followers for political gain. Sure, both parties are guilty of pandering to PACs, lobbyist, and extreme groups that have both voting power and money - I am not disputing that. But when it comes to religion and the exploitation of the religious with promises of compromising our secular state by advancing one's religion over another I get particularily worked up. But I digress....

    The point of the thread was to examine just how Christian Jesus would think Republicans truly are and I for one think he'd run away from any political party....but would run the fastest away from the GOP.
    Your opinion is certainly as valid as mine; I suspect we agree more than you realize on this one but I do see your point.
    Have a great one...Doc D.

    Phillips VELO > Palm III > Palm V > Palm 505m > Treo 180 > Treo 300 > Samsung i500 > Treo 700p > HTC 6800 > Treo 800w > Treo Pro > Palm Pre > HTC Evo
  20. backbeat's Avatar
    Posts
    55 Posts
    Global Posts
    138 Global Posts
    #40  
    Quote Originally Posted by TreoNewt View Post
    Don't you think the theist see your side as wanting to make this nation a unbranded godless socialist state? Don't you see they feel as threatened by your agenda as you feel threatened by theirs?
    Your assumption of what 'my agenda' is is noted.

    The theist has no foundational, historical basis for there belief that somehow, magically, the United States is the 'promised land' created to save the world from its sin, and to serve their Lord and Master Jesus Christ, as they define his 'agenda'. As an example, are you aware of who the very 1st 'outside' people were who were allowed into Iraq after the US invaded? Just take a wild guess!
Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1234 LastLast

Posting Permissions