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    For a great reading about predestination- (heavy reading)

    http://www.spurgeon.org/calvinis.htm

    Enjoy.
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  2. #122  
    Quote Originally Posted by surur View Post
    How can God attempt to do anything? Either God does something, or he does not. What exactly stops him from achieving his goals, except himself?

    Surur
    Point taken.

    I did not mean to initiate a semantics issue. You stated God did not intervene in the case of Cain and Abel (e.g. warn Abel). I wasn't sure how you knew that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shopharim View Post
    You stated God did not intervene in the case of Cain and Abel (e.g. warn Abel). I wasn't sure how you knew that.
    This is the totality of my source, and it does not mention any (effective) intervention.

    Quote Originally Posted by Dim-Ize
    In Genesis 4:1-16 we read of an account with which most of you are familliar.

    Here we are presented with the account of Cain murdering Abel, his brother.

    Did God know Cain was going to choose to murder Abel? Yes. Did He intervene and give Cain every possible oppotunity to choose (free will) otherwise? Yes. Did God force Cain to kill Able? No. Did God predetermine or predestine Cain to kill Abel? No.

    God knew the outcome of Cain's choice. But since God loved Cain, He presented Cain with an opportunity to choose otherwise. At that very moment, Cain could have chosen to obey, but he did not - instead, Cain chose to murder his brother.
    The fact remains that God could have protected Abel, and did not. The proof of this is Abel's death.

    Surur
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