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    WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE ANYMORE? Why was it necessary to make a movie about sex with a horse? WTF!!!!


    "Sundance festival picks up bestiality film
    NEW YORK, Dec. 1 (UPI) -- The upcoming Sundance Film Festival will show the documentary "Zoo," which tells the true story of a Washington man that died while having sex with a horse.
    The unusual death, that garnered its share of infamy when it occurred in 2005, is the topic of Seattle filmmaker Robinson Devor's new documentary that will be one of several films premiering at the Sundance festival in January, Editor & Publisher reported.
    The Seattle Times published one of the first stories about the death of the man from Enumclaw, Wash., last year and its details of how he died at a farm known for fulfilling lurid fantasies instantly drew nationwide attention.
    The film version of the perverse incident represents what Sundance Film Festival Director Geoffrey Gilmore calls the festival's "broadening" of its cinematic scope.
    "We are witnessing a broadening of the traditional independent arena. In this year's festival there is a breadth of subject matter, vision and innovative storytelling that is transforming the old idea of the American indie film," Gilmore said.


    So sex with a horse now transforms the American Indie film, does it? That's what the industry needed?

    What a sick and depraved society this is becoming... no question about it.
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    Yup, that's what the mullahs have been saying all along.

    But seriously, people who object or are not interested in this should refrain from watching. But I'm glad that our society at least allows the wide variety of expressions, including this film. This film would not be made in repressive fundamentalist society.
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    I wasn't interested in watching this. I'm glad I have been told I should refrain.
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    Let the market decide (less censorship).

    (I don't ever remember hearing about this story?)
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    oh there's actually approval for this movie! wow, I love it. what's next then? movies about people sodomozing small babies? according to some folks here, the way to show that we're not a repressive society by encouraging only the most bizarre film productions.

    that's absolutely ridiculous. its one thing to have artistic freedom, but another to totally abuse it by being sick and depraved, and that's all this movie represents.

    but go ahead and keep justifying it, its a free country I guess.
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    And what about the horses' rights?! No joking here man - that's sick..as ww2002 said if it was a baby or some other person being sodomized it would be a crime and unacceptable as a film...i wonder if PETA know about this fantasy farm?!
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    I don't approve of the movie or the actions therein. But I'll defend the rights of the filmmakers to make the movie. I don't agree with what everyone says, but defend the right of them to say it.

    As for babies vs beasts, it is not the same thing. Logic can be stretched to the point where it breaks down. We kill and eat animals, but not babies. What if a movie had a scene from a slaughterhouse (of cows)? Will that require us to approve of a film showing babies getting slaughtered? NO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aprasad View Post
    I don't approve of the movie or the actions therein. But I'll defend the rights of the filmmakers to make the movie. I don't agree with what everyone says, but defend the right of them to say it.

    As for babies vs beasts, it is not the same thing. Logic can be stretched to the point where it breaks down. We kill and eat animals, but not babies. What if a movie had a scene from a slaughterhouse (of cows)? Will that require us to approve of a film showing babies getting slaughtered? NO.
    We kill and eat animals, so its okay to make a movie about having sex with them. Unbelievable. Your "logic" astounds me, aprasad, honestly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002 View Post
    We kill and eat animals, so its okay to make a movie about having sex with them. Unbelievable. Your "logic" astounds me, aprasad, honestly.
    Well, there's a difference between making a movie and committing the act itself. I agree that having sex with a horse should be illegal; it is cruelty to animals. But I'm sure the usual disclaimer of "no animals were harmed during the making of this film" will be tacked on to this. This isn't a porn film, after all.

    They make horror movies about murdering people by the hundreds in cruel and disgusting ways. I never watch them, because I find that unappealing, the same way sex with a horse is rather unappealing. So let them make the movie, and let the vast majority of people decide that they don't want to watch it. Then no one will want to spend the money to make another one. Raising a stink about it only increases the media exposure and drives up people's curiosity.

    Just ask the Catholic Church how successful all of their "bans" on films have been.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002 View Post
    We kill and eat animals, so its okay to make a movie about having sex with them. Unbelievable. Your "logic" astounds me, aprasad, honestly.
    That was my attempt that a discussion of movies on beastiality does not have any parallels to making movies about murder of babies.

    Our society is ALLOWING this movie to be made, it is not APPROVING of this movie or the subject of the movie. I doubt that the movie will be a blockbuster or show up at the Cineplex near you.

    Do you object to depictions of murder and rape in the movies as much as you object to the depiction of bestiality? (I am assuming (and hoping) that no horses were actually buggered or otherwise harmed in any way in making of the movie).

    Will you be bemoaning the values of our society when the next slasher movie come out? These movies are far more popular than the beastiality movie in question. Does that mean that our society approves of rape and murder?

    I am glad that we ALLOW movies to be made and the producer to lose his shirt making movies that most people will rightfully ignore.
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    well...freedom of speech..but I really hope no animals were harmed in any reenactments they might've done...
    btw is bestiality illegal int eh US? if so that "fantasy" farm should be closed no?
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    Seems to me there is a large collective lapse in moral character and good judgment. Just because film makers CAN make such a movie, SHOULD they? Just because festival promoters CAN add this to the list of movies they'll show, SHOULD they?

    While I generally agree with t2gungho in the free speech department, I don't think that the people who make and display stuff should not hide behind the fig leaf of "art" or "it's a trooooo story" or whatever self justification they can dream up.

    There is no such thing as an explanation. There is only an excuse.

    A civilized culture is based on a certain set of minimum agreed behaviors. IT advances because of individual decisions to act in more noble ways than is required at the minimum.

    I'm not saying we should/can ban such movies. Probably a bad idea. Also it is futile mental masturbation to be pious about what "they" should do (whoever "they" are). The point here is making individual moral decisions to behave well and honorably. I'll do that by not rewarding movies such as these with money, and by attempting as best I can to help my children develop a strong moral compass.

    I sound like my dad.

    And there is no such thing as coasting for a civilized culture. Like a 747, the path of civilization is either upward or downward. Like a 747, keep the power on (to advance) or drop like a rock.

    It is too bad that the concept of shame has lost most of its power. The producers of such stuff should be asked to pop their movie on a DVD and show it to their grandmothers. I'd guess that the two generations have VERY different views of noble actions and good taste.
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    What do you think of movies depicting murder and rape?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tastypeppers View Post
    It is too bad that the concept of shame has lost most of its power.
    Violence in all forms - ok/good/why not - on TV all the time, day and night. How many movies with perverted, sadistic mass murders have you enjoyed so far?

    In the US: everything related to sex - bad. The display of a female breast for a split second on TV causes a nation-wide uproar. OOOH-MY-GOD!!! It was a breast!!!!! How can my kids deal with seeing a female breast???!! THAT'S sick.

    Who cares if somebody makes a movie about a guy who had sex with a horse, as long as no horse gets hurt? Besides, the bad guy dies in the end, doesn't he, so why worry anyway? If you think that movie makes others want to have sex with horses, you should seriously consider banning every movie, TV show and video gaming showing violence.
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    oh, so if there's to be a ban on horse sex films, then it only makes sense to ban ALL movies, eh? That's rich.

    ill tell you this is like watching madtv, reading how people justify why bestiality films should be made and how its mental masturbation to point out why they are inappropriate. ridiculous.

    oh and incidentally, I never mentioned movies depicting the murder of babies, I talked about people molesting babies as the next step, since there is now a film about molesting horses. wouldn't that be the next logical step?

    Taste and class used to be more of a factor in hollywood, now shock factor and utter depravity seem to be the ruling themes.

    Its a true sign that our society is free of repression and fundamentalism because its okay for movies like this to be made, is that what some are saying here?

    what a joke. I think it just makes a poor statement about our society rather than showing how nonfundamentalist we are. period.
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    I am NOT suggesting that bestiality movies should be made. I am saying that bestiality movies should be ALLOWED to be made.

    See the difference?

    Please address my questions about movies depicting murder and rape of humans. Do you object to those at least as vehemently as to movies about bestiality?
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    Look, bestiality simply crosses a line. Its not that murder and rape of humans are much less objectionable, but portrayals of sex with animals is just very simply an all - time low.
    Its just an incredibly unnecessary exhibition of poor taste. That's the whole point here.
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    I agree with you that it is an incredibly unnecessary exhibition of poor taste.

    Would you agree that we should not ban incredibly unnecessary exhibition of poor taste?
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    Sorry. Dont agree. Bestiality films are just plain wrong, for many reasons, on many levels.
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    I find it telling that you have higher acceptance level for depictions of murder and rape than bestiality.
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