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    Quote Originally Posted by aprasad View Post
    I find it telling that you have higher acceptance level for depictions of murder and rape than bestiality.
    Your above post is utter nonsense, but typical leftist rhetoric. I find it telling that you approve of bestiality films being allowed.
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    On one hand I agree that this movie seems pretty sick to me. On the other hand I have to question whether the reason conservative bloggers are bringing it up is out of concern for our youth or is this just a flail at liberals (ie hollywood) for political one upsmanship. To me this issue pales in comparison to the real problem of violence in the media creating youth violence in our society. Even our surgeon general has taken the lead to bring this to our attention. Where is the outrage there?

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    as anyone actually seen the movie yet? It is a documentary - not a porno movie. It is telling a story - how do you know that the movie does not support your view vw2002? In general, I agree with aprasad - you don't have to support it if it is offensive to you. What makes this so repulsive is that it is "new" to our senses. Rape, murder and man's inhumanity to man has been going on for centuries, so we are used to it and therefore it does not offend us on the level of one man doing a horse.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix View Post
    On one hand I agree that this movie seems pretty sick to me. On the other hand I have to question whether the reason conservative bloggers are bringing it up is out of concern for our youth or is this just a flail at liberals (ie hollywood) for political one upsmanship. To me this issue pales in comparison to the real problem of violence in the media creating youth violence in our society. Even our surgeon general has taken the lead to bring this to our attention. Where is the outrage there?

    http://www.surgeongeneral.gov/librar...dix4bsec2.html
    Of course I dont approve of gratuitous violence, beheadings, rape and all the like. Who doesnt find fault with it? But why should the media be allowed to further extend the depravity into areas such as bestiality? where is your outrage? sure you highly disapprove of all this violence in the media, but at the same time defend the fact that films about bestiality should be allowed!!!

    How can you do that!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002 View Post
    Of course I dont approve of gratuitous violence, beheadings, rape and all the like. Who doesnt find fault with it? But why should the media be allowed to further extend the depravity into areas such as bestiality? where is your outrage? sure you highly disapprove of all this violence in the media, but at the same time defend the fact that bestiality should be allowed!!!

    How can you do that!!!
    who's putting words in whose mouth here?

    look back at my statement, "this movie seems pretty sick to me"

    does it sound like I am defending it here? No its sick. what part of sick do you not understand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bubbatex View Post
    as anyone actually seen the movie yet? It is a documentary - not a porno movie. It is telling a story - how do you know that the movie does not support your view vw2002? In general, I agree with aprasad - you don't have to support it if it is offensive to you. What makes this so repulsive is that it is "new" to our senses. Rape, murder and man's inhumanity to man has been going on for centuries, so we are used to it and therefore it does not offend us on the level of one man doing a horse.

    I know its a matter of simply not supporting the movie, but dont you see how the envelope is CLEARLY being pushed further and further into unacceptable levels here? Yeah i realize the option here is to simply not go to see the movie about a guy doing a horse, but there`s a larger perspective on this. Maybe YOU wont see it, but what if your young son or daughter went to see it without you knowing? Comfortable with that possibility?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix View Post
    who's putting words in whose mouth here?

    look back at my statement, "this movie seems pretty sick to me"

    does it sound like I am defending it here? No its sick. what part of sick do you not understand?
    I should have made it clear that I was directing that at aprasad, not you cellmatrix.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002 View Post
    I should have made it clear that I was directing that at aprasad, not you cellmatrix.
    No worries, but when you included my quote in your statement, I guess you can understand why I thought you were directing it at me
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    Quote Originally Posted by cellmatrix View Post
    No worries, but when you included my quote in your statement, I guess you can understand why I thought you were directing it at me
    yeah, i understand. i mispoke there. no that wasnt aimed at you in any way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002 View Post
    I know its a matter of simply not supporting the movie, but dont you see how the envelope is CLEARLY being pushed further and further into unacceptable levels here? Yeah i realize the option here is to simply not go to see the movie about a guy doing a horse, but there`s a larger perspective on this. Maybe YOU wont see it, but what if your young son or daughter went to see it without you knowing? Comfortable with that possibility?
    As long as the children were are not damaged by gilt ridden anti sex puritanicals they would probably just have a good laugh and move on and if a horse had a choice to get screwed or killed I trust it would make an intelligent decision . A human ? Not so much
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    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002 View Post
    Your above post is utter nonsense, but typical leftist rhetoric. I find it telling that you approve of bestiality films being allowed.
    Once again, I equally abhor depictions of murder, rape and bestiality. I would ban none of these movies. Nor would I go see them or let my kids see them. If some adult wants to see them, they have that choice.

    You, on the other hand think that a new "line has been crossed" and would ban the movie depicting bestiality while accepting movies about serial killers and chain-saw murderers (you did not suggest banning slasher films, while you clearly support banning the horsey film).

    Where am I wrong in the above statements? Would you like me to paste links to postings in this thread where you (and I) have said the above?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002 View Post
    Look, bestiality simply crosses a line. Its not that murder and rape of humans are much less objectionable, but portrayals of sex with animals is just very simply an all - time low.
    Its just an incredibly unnecessary exhibition of poor taste. That's the whole point here.
    "It's not that murder and rape of humans are much less objectionable"... so murder and rape of humans are less objectionable than besitality (even if not much)? Is the fact that somebody had sex with a horse worse than a human being raped or killed?

    Does that movie promote sex with animals? Or just telling the story, how this happened?

    Tell me, what exactly is the damage done when somebody makes a movie about somebody who had sex with a horse? How exactly is that movie worse than somebody making a movie about rape and murder, or a movie about a murderer?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vw2002 View Post
    WHAT IS WRONG WITH PEOPLE ANYMORE? Why was it necessary to make a movie about sex with a horse? WTF!!!!


    "Sundance festival picks up bestiality film
    NEW YORK, Dec. 1 (UPI) -- The upcoming Sundance Film Festival will show the documentary "Zoo," which tells the true story of a Washington man that died while having sex with a horse.
    The unusual death, that garnered its share of infamy when it occurred in 2005, is the topic of Seattle filmmaker Robinson Devor's new documentary that will be one of several films premiering at the Sundance festival in January, Editor & Publisher reported.
    The Seattle Times published one of the first stories about the death of the man from Enumclaw, Wash., last year and its details of how he died at a farm known for fulfilling lurid fantasies instantly drew nationwide attention.
    The film version of the perverse incident represents what Sundance Film Festival Director Geoffrey Gilmore calls the festival's "broadening" of its cinematic scope.
    "We are witnessing a broadening of the traditional independent arena. In this year's festival there is a breadth of subject matter, vision and innovative storytelling that is transforming the old idea of the American indie film," Gilmore said.


    So sex with a horse now transforms the American Indie film, does it? That's what the industry needed?

    What a sick and depraved society this is becoming... no question about it.
    Jeebus! What's your damage Heather?

    Someone is making a film to examine a bizarre incident. It's not glorifying it.
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    DT does have a point here. If you have a documentary about rape, murder or this horse thing in its proper negative light -as a violent cruel and inhuman act, then that can actually a good thing. Kids can learn this is bad. Unfortunately too much violence in video games and films is glorified and sends exactly the wrong message to our kids. So it really depends on delivery. That said I do not know aout this movie enough to really judge it.
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    Indeed, we simply do not know enough about the movie and the incident. Was the horse underage, for instance? Was the horse traumatized, or was it maybe even consensual? From a more biological perspective, what if the horse would have gotten pregnant? Would it have given birth to little Centaurs?

    Also, what happened to the guy? Why did he die, was he struck by lightning or something?
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    Quote Originally Posted by clulup View Post
    Indeed, we simply do not know enough about the movie and the incident. Was the horse underage, for instance? Was the horse traumatized, or was it maybe even consensual? From a more biological perspective, what if the horse would have gotten pregnant? Would it have given birth to little Centaurs?

    Also, what happened to the guy? Why did he die, was he struck by lightning or something?
    Well, seeing as this was in my State I'll fill in some of these details. The horse was not a minor and seemed to have a maturity level consistent with it's age. The act was consensual and although there may have been alcohol involved the horse was not reported to be inebriated. The horse did feel bad when he found out about the death. The horse is a male and was the "top" so pregnancy was not at issue.

    The guy died as the result of massive internal bleeding.
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    well it does not sound like the animal was being physically abused or injured which was my primary concern.
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    OOOOOoooooo

    You mean, it's not a movie about good animal husbandry practice......

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